My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@dopey
Zainab al-Hilli told investigators on Friday, shortly after emerging from a medically induced coma, that she had seen “one bad guy”, the source said.
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Was she referring to RAFman? 😉
@paddy
Zainab saw a single killer:
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Anders
Page has gone 404 in seconds! 😉
Would everyone please in future paste in the relevant info here. I’ve been battling m o ds for year’s about this 101 point, but they seem obsessed with not tiring out their servers over a few bits of binary! 🙁
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“here from The Sun still on.
The seven-year-old survivor of the shooting in France that left three of her family dead has told police she saw only one killer.
Sky’s crime correspondent Martin Brunt, said: “French media reports are saying that, before she left France, seven-year-old Zainab al Hilli spoke to investigators and said she only saw one killer.
“Up-until-now it’s been confusing as the French prosecutor has not made it clear whether there was one or more than one, but according to reports, she told the investigators she only saw one killer.
“She’s now back in the UK, we think she has been taken straight to hospital as she was badly injured in the attack, she had a bullet wound to her shoulder and had head injuries, but she is now in the care of British doctors.
“The prosecutor made it clear that sshe would follow her young sister back to the UK as soon as possible.”
The killings took place in a forested area near the village of Chevaline, near Lake Annecy, in the Haute-Savoie region. The gruesome scene was discovered by another cyclist who chanced upon the scene.
Investigators see Zainab as a key witness to the shooting spree in the remote car park that left her parents and grandmother dead a few days before the scheduled end of their family holiday.
I read this may not be solved for ten years. My question is are you going to write here , every day , for ten years ?
Flyinglowe: “I read this may not be solved for ten years. My question is are you going to write here , every day , for ten years ?”
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Doesn’t matter cause if it was solved already tommorrow the conspirationists in here will never accept it as the truth, so the debate/ search will keep on going
@ Dopey – methinks you are at the wrong place. Almost all the maps I saw in the media placed the murder scene carpark in the wrong place.
The correct location is point (A) in the following:
http://goo.gl/maps/yDZFL
raf man from down under does not fit the recipe.
not a hero
did not seem cool calm under pressure
raf pilots are methodical cool,calm and collected.
an overly frozen stiff body controlled with blinking blinking eyes.
in a palm infested vauxhall office.
the down under mouth moving with nothing but kiwi bilge coming out.
would you spooks want this stiff flying your plane.
i would not even want him driving my mod landy with my swarthy kill team in the back.
this stooge stinks.
his office and the other companies in his building are all suspect
Anders@
“If you think that, why are you here?
I think we all know.
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I admit i’m spook-related.
And I won’t be here when/if the case is solved in public
Here is an amazing satellite picture of Arabian Gulf from the SSLT page.
http://www.sstl.co.uk/getattachment/b449a3dd-be55-48d5-b82c-a2d0966c65e9/Qeshm-Island–Iran
I would go for the theory that Mr Al Hilli was trying to sell some technological info without being aware that it was a very copromising one…
Here’s a different photo of Martin
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4537634/Breaking-his-silence-Ex-RAF-Brit-first-on-scene-of-French-Alps-massacre.html
with briefcases.
@recog
I admit i’m spook-related.
And I won’t be here when/if the case is solved in public
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I have no problem with spooks doing their job. But when the Service has been taken over by folks dancing to the tunes of those who regard the general public as useless eaters, I have a problem. We are fast running into absolute TIC, and we all know who is spearheading it.
Bad show all around.
who do you want to fly with bozo captain kiwi blinking stiff.
or a real pilot the amazing
Captain Sullenberger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixUbdeXCp0M
@Flyinglowe
“I read this may not be solved for ten years. My question is are you going to write here , every day , for ten years ?”
I doubt it, at the bottom of the page it says “Comments will be closed on September 18, 2012”, so the ‘shape-shifting lizards believing loons’ that have hijacked this place will have to go back to David Icke’s forums, from where they crawled out from, and continue their nonsense over there.
And, yes, over there they are likely to keep it going for at least 10 years.
It did make me laugh last night on the Icke forum thread, when someone asked why it was so dead over there, clearly that poster hadn’t got the memo about coming over here & polluting this otherwise sane and questioning site with their nonsense.
I honestly felt sorry for that poster.
Then shortly after Anders7777 posted something along the lines that he was sorry, but had been busy over here sorting out all the spooks that had turned-up.
Seriously, you couldn’t make it up, totally bonkers.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2012/09/14/97001-20120914FILWWW00849-chevaline-un-seul-tueur-selon-l-enfant.php
Tuerie de Haute-Savoie : la fillette de 7 ans n’a pas été entendue
lefigaro.fr, avec Christophe Cornevin Mis à jour le 14/09/2012 à 19:02 | publié le 14/09/2012 à 18:13 Réactions (3)
Contrairement à ce qui a été écrit dans une première version de cet article, la jeune Zainab, la fillette de 7 ans rescapée de la tuerie de Chevaline (Haute-Savoie), “n’a pas été entendue par les enquêteurs”, affirme au Figaro une source officielle de la gendarmerie. “Elle était choquée et la seule question qu’elle a posée, c’est : ‘où est ma soeur ?'” La fillette n’a donc pas dit avoir vu “un méchant”, donc un seul tueur, comme l’affirme une source à la chaîne M6.
Les enquêteurs ont préféré repousser l’audition en raison de son état de santé. Mais ils n’excluent toutefois pas de l’entendre à Londres une fois que son état le permettra. Zainab a quitté la France ce vendredi matin.
inter rested
what a rotten tool you are old chap.
a small number of folks do not really believe the bbc old bean.
go buy frankie boy gardner a glass of pims in the hoist bar vauxhall i am sure he has some real truth for you.
or maybe you have some truth for him.
this interview says it all.
i say is that it.
he is allowed to leave france cos he is ex raf so was bomber harris and he was mad i tell you.
maybe it is mad bomber harris up in dem woods.
INTEL OR INTERESTED
give us a scoop any news on the D notice old bean
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4537634/Breaking-his-silence-Ex-RAF-Brit-first-on-scene-of-French-Alps-massacre.html
one more:
http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-la-survivante-de-7-ans-n-a-pas-temoigne-7527131.html
INFO LCI-Tuerie de Chevaline : la survivante de 7 ans n’a pas témoigné
Mis en ligne le 14 septembre 2012 à 18h24, mis à jour le 14 septembre 2012 à 19h31
INFO LCI- L’information selon laquelle la petite fille rescapée de la tuerie de Chevalie aurait vu un seul tueur a été démentie. Le procureur n’a pas encore procédé à son audition.
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What are members of this blog and Icke forum going to say if 8 year old girl says killer isnt RAF man or cyclist? I know:they will cry “shill” or “PSYOP” brainwash and media have been scripted 😉
Can’t win with loons.
Can someone explain point about RAF man knowing someone at scene?
@ anders
Was she referring to RAFman?
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lol it did cross my mind too. Even if it wasn’t him he may be fixated in her mind.
I hope he wears sturdy underpants.
@ montyd
This si where I thought it was (on the forestiare road)
If you zoom in you can clearly see the clearing/carpark
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Route+Domaniale+de+la+Grand+Combe+Dite+Chaplain&daddr=Chevaline,+Frankrijk&hl=nl&sll=45.728749,6.223755&sspn=0.007512,0.014774&geocode=FQLFuQIdevleAA%3BFdtPugIdlOReACnLHSrEKL6LRzGAorrkKqsIBA&t=h&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=17&z=17
(hope that link works)
Aaargh the link doesnt. The spot is 1km or so further towards Chevaline than your spot Monty
The Chalet de Charbon mentioned earlier
“Maintenu par une association locale. Ils ont notamment amené le majestueux poele par hélicoptère”
http://www.refuges.info/point/72/cabane-non-gardee/bauges/le-charbon/
So clearly helicopters can land there. Just saying.
@dopey
do you mean at 45.723978,6.224247?
@dopey (again) or here 45.728899,6.226026?
Thanks Jen.
I’ve figured out the right link.
On this map in the link the forestiere road travels vertically top to bottom of the map. Near the bottom of the map it forms a “V” with another road.
If you follow that road (which heads towards the top of the map)then near the top of the map is a clearing. That’s where I thought the carpark was?
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=45.737796,6.225235&spn=0.004066,0.006158&t=h&z=17
@Dopey that would be at 45.739039,6.225362, right?
This is what I have figured out as well, but maps circulating in the media show all kind of different sites… But this is the place I think.
When an auto car is in gear you can’t just turn ignition off can you? The raf would have had to lean over and put it in N or P
: jen
45.737796,6.225235
Its a side road off the forestiere road though, so now I’m thinking I’m wrong.
@ pink panther
Other folk have determined that the car was manual not automatic
From what I recall of the few automatics I’ve driven yes, you can. It’s just that you can’t start one unless it’s in neutral.
@ jen
@Dopey that would be at 45.739039,6.225362, right?
This is what I have figured out as well, but maps circulating in the media show all kind of different sites… But this is the place I think.
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Jen YES! Those co-ords go to the same place as those I posted.
Also, we are so behind the curve of what the investigators know because we don’t have the data. For eg when travelling with a mobile phone, it registers with masts and it’s possible to easily track someone’s journey. Retailers have been doing this for years (anonymously) to see where shoppers travel from.
I am sure that the police have enough data from zainib and other CCTV, satellites etc to know what exactly happened.
I guess those hung up on conspiracies will never believe the verdict (whether the verdict is right or wrong!!!)
Latest conspiracy theory. The French have doctored pictures of Kate Middleton naked to take the heat of this story!
Funnily enough, I think I believe this,