My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
I posted a summary at 2.34pm regarding the shed analysis and 3 links to pics etc. This is still awaiting moderation, please have a look when cleared and feedback
@rickitarr
Motorbikes have been used for a longtime by Assasins – quick in quick out, can go where others cant, motor bike helmets
conceal your identity and any Radio ear peices etc…..thats what I would use anyway. I hadnt heard prev that it was a scrambler either?
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Indeed, used all the time in IRA hits, Columbia, all over the world, ideal getaway vehicle.
lets blame the dead.
they are not gonna get upset.
@peter
I would not rule out the possibility that they were “cooking” in that garden shed.let’s stamp the dirt down on reputations.
let’s take a shed a water butt drum.
suspicious cables going into deadly shed.
the shed of nuke or drug making dumb.
if it’s nukes let us ask hague,cameron or mil6
if it is drugs the cia and mi6 as they are both in the drugs industry since they run afghanistan.
let us blame the dead as say it is a mystery never to be solved.
yesterday it was brother and son.
today the serbians.
did a serb zip gchq cyclist into bag.
where is police investigation for that.
in time all that will be remembered is the bomb squad in a surrey shed.
with people saying he must have been an evil doer for the bomb squad to be in it
init.
the savages always get away cos it’s for queen and country.
james bond kills women and children.
james bond covers up for friends in mossad even when they kill british citizens.
but that is not important what is
is the mystery of the shed and water butt
anders Eman Ruse please (yes obviously just a lazy hack of user name)
If it was truley was humour then i apologise it must have missed me.
Ignore 4×4 hits child and replace with assassins transport (eg motorbike). Then tell me why not possible.
Regarding the peugeot 205 on the wrongside of road driven recklessly, As a reident of france (and i believe you said you were at 1 time)it doesnt scream unusual or english to me, In fact if i ever meet a 205 driven sensibly on a country lane that to me would be suspicious.
P.S Im not trusted to make the tea in case i stir the pot..
@ruse, OK, fair enough. 🙂
Why is it so unusual to have a shed / workshop in your garden with double glazing? I’ve been house-hunting recently and seen a few examples of same…
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Those sheds are marketed as home offices and I see nothing unusual in the fact that there is one like that in the back garden at all. I work from home, and several colleagues over the years have also had a building like that in their gardens. They like a separate building to “go to work” in, to motivate them and also as a base away from distractions like young kids barging into a room usd as a study in the house.
Likewise they’d have the building alarmed they’d have their computers and printers etc in there.
Was the house Saad’s fathers originally? If so, perhaps he originally put the shed in.
Regardless, I eee nothing unusual in them (or anyone else) having that shed, or the fact that it was made very secure.
I believe there also Christmas lights on the shed. Appears to be a few strands hanging down near the door.
He may well solder in there and may use the skylights as ventilation.
The security lights would give him some light to avoid tripping over what the girls may have left in the garden.
I see nothing of interest with the shed so far.
@felix
Roland Hoskins took
a) The only photo of the car
b) A photo of Sylvie Lecoeur, the key witness. [Daily Mail 7 September]
Coincidence?
I see @Straw44berry was onto that a few days ago at Icke.
No other aerial photographers about?? Just two shots at the same moment?
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They are sloppy and lazy, but I suspect they don’t care really TOO much…
Why?
Because they have the BBC and SKY in their pocket, spooks in all the newspapers, running radio shows, so they can always do a work around.
What we are seeing now are constant workarounds.
And they are dead easy to pull off as the sheep are mostly as thick as merde. hate to say that, but it’s the TRUTH.
Just read the DM readers comments on any subject you like, totally and utterly clueless, the vast majority.
A by product of all these workarounds is the furtherance of ever increasing bullshit discrepancies, so many that we end up chasing our own tails.
This is intentional, in part.
That’s why this thread keeps being derailed regularly, the latest time wasting being acid drums, before that, car central locking, and yadda yadda yadda.
They are laughing their arses off at us, but hey!
It’s all par for the course. 🙂
We really NEED to stick to the basics, and the story simply does not add up, and never will.
I don’t believe in coincidences, and I don’t believe in constantly morphing fairytales.
I have satisfied myself that most of my initial thoughts have MORE THAN proven to be correct.
ICKE IS APPROACHING 100,000 READER HITS
Shame TPTB here will not give us the stats, I find that ultimo bizzaro, expect C M does not want to scrare off the curious by publishing a .ORG thread viewers list, which is fair enough.
Nice to know how many hits this thread is getting though…
I’ve done my very best to educate a few people, a lot more folks are wiser now than before, and I am happy with that.
My guess is this thread has had much more hits than Icke, so it’s all good.
I’ve also had fun sparring with the dimbulbs, and I’ve tried to have fun along the way.
That’ll do for me. 🙂
@strawberry
I believe there also Christmas lights on the shed. Appears to be a few strands hanging down near the door.
He may well solder in there and may use the skylights as ventilation.
The security lights would give him some light to avoid tripping over what the girls may have left in the garden.
I see nothing of interest with the shed so far.
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It’s a derailing tactic Straw, look at the morons above doing it. They want us chasing our tails. 🙂
@dopey
Not you dopey, but they are wagging the dog. We’re the dog. 😉
We gotta stop falling for all their tricks. 🙂
@Dopey @Strawberry Shed analysis
So from all this we have :-
Dbl Glazing + skylights
Venting
Access Control (possibly, white plastic box to left of front door)
Security measures (Light with sensor)
Satellite feed into shed (additional broadband and/or tv)
Curtains
Containers near shed with potentially dubious uses
Before I shut up about the shed one last point.
Security light on the shed above door, but main house from all angles has no visible security lighting. This guy valued the contents of his shed more than the contents of his house.
I agree that the shed “scare” was of no importance
The calling of the EOD was probably nothing more than a nervous copper who saw something innocent eg as has been suggested soldering equipment and perhaps some bags of fertilizer* and thought bomb making equipment.
In the circumstances its not unreasonable that they were cautious and quite rightly they made it clear there was nothing suspicious found.
The security lights are probably to deter thieving scrotes breaking into the shed of a night (thats why we had them)
(*the presence of water butts suggest somebody is a keen gardener)
Mods again please delete my previous – im having finger trouble
@Eman Ruse / User Name
Did you have a security light installed on a shed looking towards your house so that anyone burgling the shed would appear as a sillouette from your house ?
Of course not, you would have put a light with a sensor on the back of your house so when you looked out of a window at 4am you could see a burglar illuminated NOT in shadow. There are no security lights on the back of the house..
@Anders I’m not derailing anything. I’m just presenting observations formed by studying some of the released pics of the house, e.g. hard data (as you are so fond of this term 😉 )
I think the guy probably did work from home maybe in the shed, or on his own little side project, and I don’t think someone with young kids would be cooking drugs or bombs in such proximity, would be much easier to hire a lockup garage somewhere under a moody name to do that sort of thing.
I’ve been glued to this thread for a number of days because the first few news reports mentioned ex-RAF man, which instantly stank of some kind of cover up…
Talking about SHEDS I’m off to watch the Chelsea game and leave you lot potting. 🙂
@watcher
No names, no pack drill, I’ve played the game long enough, I’ll continue to provide HARD DATA when I get it, but for now I want to see the second half QPR/Chelski. Have fun y’all! 🙂
Fair one I havent seen the positions of the lights, perhaps there as much access lights as security, after all no burglars going to be happy about being lit up regardless of whether he is clearly visible or not.
It may also be that they are positioned where they are because of light pollution issues – we had to move (removed in the end) ours because when it illuminated the shed it also illuminated the house opposite resuting in complaints to the council, mounting it on the shed facing the house and aiming down is the only place we could realisticaly have put it so as not to disturb anyone.
off topic
In the interests of fairness it was lighting up the house opposite with monotonous regularity, it transpires that next doors cat had worked out that if it lay on the lamp and twitched its tail in front of the sensor it had a warm bed.
Shed —- (Swedish) Granny extension?
re Sylvie Lecoeur. Not an uncommon name. And not exactly camera shy is she??!! (c.f. Wm Brett Martin) See photo nr 6 here:
http://mobil.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article15398845.ab?originSectionPath=/nojesbladet/klick/
“this is so awful said the receptionist” ( nr 9)
Diff pic of BMW on transporter at nr 13 being hauled away by local company MG Automobile of Doussard.
multiple posts – i know and i apologise..
re-read thread and noted comments on burning rubber.
I think its perfectly clear wheels will spin easily on a loose surface especially on harsh acceleration.
It is logical that a spinning wheel on dry ground will heat up through friction.
I have also had the misfortune to confirm this whilst avioding the stereotypical french driver.
In short wheelspin on dry ground can definetly produce a rather unpleasent smell of burning rubber.
As I have said before, I do not wish to besmirch the reputation of the dead. So, let’s just say that there are a few facts indicating that this murder is more likely to have been perpetrated by a criminal than by an intelligence service.
1. There was only one shooter
http://www.smh.com.au/world/one-bad-man-in-alps-massacre-20120915-25zo0.html
who was not a particularly good shot at that.
2. The french cyclist managed to make it onto the scene, which implies that there were no lookouts to watch the shooter’s back. This is not how Mossad or any other intelligence service conducting “wet jobs” operates.
3. The shooter attempted to kill the entire family. That either makes him a lunatic (unlikely) or somebody who was personally known to one or more of the adult victims and therefore feared that any survivors would identify him (more likely).
4. If this had been the Mossad or some similar outfit trying to send a message, why didn’t they leave a calling card, for example by using Desert Eagles with some fancy ammunition?
@Peter the one ‘bad man’ may have been RAF man though, if she was really in and out of consciousness when he ‘arrived’.
I see your point about a lookout or overwatch being established to protect a shooter on the scene, however given Mollers job etc I think him and the family were all targeted.
7.65mm ammo is a Mossad calling card isn’t it ?
MY post of 2,34pm is now up, this has links to the shed images and guardian piece about sophisticated electronic shed locks, please have a look and feedback if you missed these
As I have said before, I do not wish to besmirch the reputation of the dead.
well shut up pete me old chum.
what do you call men that walk an english scientist through field and hedge.
kill him put him under a tree and get media chums to say suicide.
who is killing all the scientists lone nutters.
please shut up.
cia
mi6
sas
but probably in this case mossad.
and as usual the usa,uk,france and germany cover up for the state sponsored nutters.
7.65mm ammo is a Mossad calling card isn’t it ?
Nope. As a writer on counterterrorism matters, I am quite familiar with the israeli way of doing this sort of thing. To me, not a single aspect of this assassination suggests that professionals were at work there.
@Peter, ok appreciate the comment so indulge me. If you thought this was of Israeli origin what kind of ammo casings would you expect to find 9mm’s ?
Also what would be so different if it was a professional hit? Casings all picked up ? Everyone eliminated ? Egress on foot through the woods nice and quietly with no witnesses ?
@Peter
The huge problem with your analysis is that it depends on what witnesses or the police/security services have told the press, directly or indirectly. These stories have even changed as we have analysed the case. As we well know, the truth and what witnesses say or are told to say are sometimes miles apart. You may be speculating on a lie. Which is what, in conspiracies, is what they want. There wouldn’t be 2000+ comments here if there wasn’t a funny smell from the off. And it wasn’t burning rubber. Mr Martin’s flushing out only reinforced that for me.
If this had been a Mossad hit, I would have expected them to work with two pairs of ex-Special Forces shooters: Aleph, who do the actual killing, and Bet, two more armed guys to watch their backs and ensure their safe escape. The Aleph and Bet elements would be overwatched by at least eight more people, including drivers and spotters.
The actual hit might have been a case of a nice young man with a map in his hand and a puzzled look on his face stepping up to Mr al-Hilli’s car, saying “Excuse me, mate, can you tell me where …”, and then, as Mr al-Hilli winds down the driver-side window, pulling the gun out from underneath the map, putting two bullets into his skull before calmly walking away and getting back into his car and driving off.
Picking up spent casings and so on is the stuff of crime fiction; the hallmark of professionals is killing the target (and nobody else) with a minimum of fuss and a minimum of risk. Why kill witnesses who don’t pose a physical risk? All they might be able to describe is a fit-looking young man wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses. So what?
@all
4. If this had been the Mossad or some similar outfit trying to send a message, why didn’t they leave a calling card, for example by using Desert Eagles with some fancy ammunition?
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Pay no attention to this serial arsehole. 🙂
He’s been smoking too much left over GANJA from the drug dealers SAH AND SYLVAIN!!! 🙂
For those that don’t know, Israel makes the Desert Eagle – it is a .50 caliber CANNON that would fell an elephant at 100 paces.
If you lot want to let him take the piss out of you all day, be my guest! 🙂
Anyone who responds to wind up merchant “Peter” is either part of his game, or extremely naive! 🙂
@felix, he’s winding you up m8! 😉