My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
2. The french cyclist managed to make it onto the scene, which implies that there were no lookouts to watch the shooter’s back. This is not how Mossad or any other intelligence service conducting “wet jobs” operates.
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No it means the single lookout radioed to the 2 shooters’ earpieces that Sylvain was on his way! 🙂
Kidon teams
4
Shooter
Helper
Lookout/watcher
Driver
Keep it up pete m8
Carry on like this and you will be a tea boy, one day, maybe! 😉
There wouldn’t be 2000+ comments here if there wasn’t a funny smell from the off. And it wasn’t burning rubber. Mr Martin’s flushing out only reinforced that for me.
so pete me old chum on your experience do you think a D notice is on this sucker.
and why bring cooking into it.
the dead man had a fantastic wide skillset yes,no.
he worked for spook run companies yes no
had his own private work all done under the watchful eyes of psycho james bonds who’s job is to protect us the innocent so we can carry on shopping and watching telly in peace.
as you are german i hope next you do not bring the turks into it.
as we need them for the bridgehead into syria and iran.
the problem with brown folks is they cannot be trusted to look after in country oil,gas and gold bars.
so james bond helps them by killing them to freedom.
There wouldn’t be 2000+ comments here if there wasn’t a funny smell from the off. And it wasn’t burning rubber.
Indeed. That’s why I’m following this case with great interest. My guess as to what really happened is no better than yours; all that I’m pretty sure of is that this was not a hit carried out by a team of professional assassins.
Sorry, Anders, had a naive moment.
3. The shooter attempted to kill the entire family. That either makes him a lunatic (unlikely) or somebody who was personally known to one or more of the adult victims and therefore feared that any survivors would identify him (more likely).
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The 2 plural Kidon shooters took out both targets, Sylvain and SAH – they spared RAFman and the 2 kids.
We know another security service was involved because Vauxhall Cross scrambled 20 military type spooks
Increment etc, a few SAS from their London base in Chelski
And the Ambassador turned up, and his Deputy? The whole jazz.
Must try harder Peter! 🙂
First reports say 3 Kidon were exfiltrated by an Israeli general from a nearby airport, to Geneva, and on to Tel Aviv. 🙂
@felix
Sorry, Anders, had a naive moment.
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No worries, they will just keep on invading this thread with sock puppets, low grade low pay scale dimbulbs.
Cubicle BOYZ, in other words. 🙂
The 2 plural Kidon shooters took out both targets, Sylvain and SAH – they spared RAFman and the 2 kids.
So “one bad man” = two Kidon shooters? And shooting a child in the shoulder and cracking her skull is a form of “sparing” her?
Right 😉
I think we can all agree on the D notice …. currently no press coverage at all, previously no mention of Iran, Israel/Mossad, no mention of nuclear industry links from al-hilli or moller, no mention of secret services.
When the phrase Ex RAF man appeared it stank, and has done ever since
…”guess”….”pretty sure”…
qed
….and everyone at the FBO in LSGG didn’t say a damn word ?
@ Watcher:
“philippe” D-notice
I’d “guess” so, but then again I’m “pretty sure”
Actually, I’m certain.
Here’s a nice pic of the BMW recovery depot. Beautiful scenery I think we’ll all agree on.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=+route+nationale+508+doussard&hl=en&ll=45.777476,6.233604&spn=0.007617,0.013797&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=35.410182,56.513672&t=h&hq=route+nationale+508+doussard&radius=15000&z=16&layer=c&cbll=45.777546,6.233501&panoid=gP1RgkX5S7D1F5rN-rWycQ&cbp=12,257.68,,0,6.37
@toneeeeee
As I have said before, I do not wish to besmirch the reputation of the dead.
well shut up pete me old chum.
what do you call men that walk an english scientist through field and hedge.
kill him put him under a tree and get media chums to say suicide.
who is killing all the scientists lone nutters.
please shut up.
cia
mi6
sas
but probably in this case mossad.
and as usual the usa,uk,france and germany cover up for the state sponsored nutters.
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Thing is, every time they try their tricks, it’s an opportunity for us to stick to the basics
I can guarantee you that Keen minds are seeing right through all these games.
If it wasn’t for all the shills here, the thread would be a few undated posts, not going to 30,000 feet like it is now! 😉
it’s an opportunity for us to stick to the basics/em>
Let’s. If we assume for the sake or argument that both Mollier and the al-Hillis were targets, why would they have to be killed at the same time in the same place? Why not kill Mollier further down the road while somebody else takes care of Mr a-Hilli, or even the entire al-Hilli family, if indeed the entire family were targets?
The answer is simple: Because there was only one “bad man.”
@peter
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Busted flush old chap! 😉
Like shooting fish in SAH’s water barrel! 🙂
This is just too easy BOYZ – cant you send in a Karla type, someone non Oxbridge, that might be able to outwit me, eh??? 🙂
2,700 tries – and still an EPIC FAIL!!! 😉
Lmao! 🙂
@Peter, well we are only being told there was 1 bad man.
Given the ease at which you can buy ghillie suits from army surplus shops there could have been any number of people in the woods. It’s very easy to remain concealed in lush green wooded areas.
But back to the topic … assuming there was just one guy.
assuming this isn’t Mossad.
What’s left ? industrial espionage for BAE, EADS etc ?
If so this one guy could be anything from a Chechen Merc to a Sudanese Pirate ?
Let’s. If we assume for the sake or argument that both Mollier and the al-Hillis were targets, why would they have to be killed at the same time in the same place? Why not kill Mollier further down the road while somebody else takes care of Mr a-Hilli, or even the entire al-Hilli family, if indeed the entire family were targets?
The answer is simple: Because there was only one “bad man.”
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ANOTHER F FOR FAIL! 🙂
Busted flush old bean, you’ve done yer donuts mate! 🙂
un seul “méchant”
So easy. Without even the pot plant and wardrobe.
But back to the topic … assuming there was just one guy.
assuming this isn’t Mossad.
What’s left ? industrial espionage for BAE, EADS etc ?
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CANADAman is clearly using me as a carrier pigeon! 😉
I know that, but sod it, posted the info here anyway…
Would Boeing play dirty?
I’ll leave y’all to judge! 😉
un seul “méchant”
So easy. Without even the pot plant and wardrobe.
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Not in a million years, but I am waiting for them to role out a patsy! 😉
(they don’t have much imagination …) 😉
Well a v quick google says BAE have lost lots of data through their wizards sleeve sized internet pipes, all the way to China !
Anders…
Where is this “First reports say 3 Kidon were exfiltrated by an Israeli general from a nearby airport, to Geneva, and on to Tel Aviv” (Anders at 5.14pm)
Contrary to your belief, and I do hate to be a terrible bore and rain on your parade, but you can’t just “rock up” in your GV ….and then “up, up and away” in it again !
Especially from somewhere like Geneva.
You can not believe how mad that thought is.
So “first reports” are wrong ? Now that’s “shrill” !
@ Watcher
I have absolutely no idea who this one guy might have been, or what motivated him. Probably a very, very violent professional criminal rather than some random nutter who merely happened to chance upon his victims. Certainly not a member of a state-sponsored assassination team. That is all that I am “pretty sure” of.
I have mentioned my personal hunch in this matter before, and I do understand why some people might find such speculation distasteful. Moreover, to date, I have read nothing to disprove that hunch, but also very little to confirm it. Thus, it remains nothing but a hunch.
@Peter, the whole situation is distasteful, however if they didn’t report “Ex-RAF man” as a witness I think most people would have forgotten about this by now.
if they say one loan killer.
then it’s 3
if they say killer is a nutter
maybe.
if the french say today that all evidence points back to the iraqi-brit family in england.
then someone in the uk is gonna get a james holmes style drug mix.
he will die or be out of it just like yer man here.
does this guy look like a top of the class student or medicated out of his mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7a8w-c9-Gk
@all
I hope you are all paying attention because I am giving you all a gratis free pro bono MASTERCLASS in how to flush out the paid pro spooks sitting on their filbert cubicles at sunny Legoland! 🙂
You’ll notice I spotted him right off the bat, and began demolishing his crap and teasing him and generally pointing out that he was indulging in serial piss taking and buffoonery.
Now, what was his reaction?
A proud German journalist (dandy/Beano/fag packet lamo backstory) that DOESN’T GET UPSET when an Englishman wipes the floor with him??? 🙂
Gimme a break. 😉
Remember that fight scene in the Bourne trilogy, I’m the first one, the Paris apartment where a MK (mind kontrolle
however if they didn’t report “Ex-RAF man” as a witness I think most people would have forgotten about this by now.
And that’s precisely why the Ex-RAF man rings fairly good and true to me. If “they” had really wanted to bury this story, they would have come up with something quite similar to my own personal hunch. If the police had whispered a quiet word into journalists’ ears that this multiple homicide probably was drug-related, the public’s compassion with the victims, public interest in the story and the willingness of any eventual witnesses to come forward would have instantly dropped to zero. Nobody cares about, or wants to become involved in, a drug-related murder.
I have little doubt that, initially, when the french and UK authorities heard what line of business Mr al-Hilli was in, they automatically assumed that this case was somehow intelligence-related, went extremely tight-lipped and, behind the scenes, scrambled every man and his dog to get to the bottom of this matter. To my mind, the fact that they have now allowed the Ex-RAF man to go public means that they have exhausted that line of inquiry and come up with nothing.
@ watcher
So from all this we have :-
Dbl Glazing + skylights
Venting
Access Control (possibly, white plastic box to left of front door)
Security measures (Light with sensor)
Satellite feed into shed (additional broadband and/or tv)
Curtains
Containers near shed with potentially dubious uses
Before I shut up about the shed one last point.
Security light on the shed above door, but main house from all angles has no visible security lighting. This guy valued the contents of his shed more than the contents of his house.
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OMG OMG It has curtains and double glazing and a telly in it! No wonder they evacuated the street!
My garage has a security spotlight on the back garden side of it. I have no spotlight on the back of my house. Someone call the cops immediately!
Many of those sheds come with double glazing as standard….I hope MI5 is checking all of those out.
Personally I find the curtains to be the most damning….defo a sign of a common or garden bomb making factory that 😉
Anders, I really do feel sorry for you – moreso for those who live and work with you (assuming you don’t feed off the tax payer breast).
Seriously – why don’t you once and for all spell out what really happened rather than blindly contradicting anything that you this is conspiracy?
Once the truth comes out, shortly, would be interesting to compare with what your verdict is.
Go on mate, nows your change, quick though before you get too drunk.
@Peter Nothing rings true about RAF man for me.
@Dopey so your shed and half of surburbia has electronic access control and a satellite feed, neither of those things are normal in a shed
You’re asking for it now “Pink Panther” !
You’ve asked for his theory !!!! You’ve behaved like a “spook” !!!!
You heathen, you !