My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
“First reports say 3 Kidon were exfiltrated by an Israeli general from a nearby airport, to Geneva, and on to Tel Aviv”
Anders, I would like to know why there should be any truth to this claim, given that it was posted on indymedia UK with reference to a Press TV report which doesn’t seem to exist.
Plus the article was removed. Is this because:
1) spooks had it removed?
2) it contained a load of user-generated tosh, in essence referring to a non-existing report of Iranian state media?
Don’t make me laugh.
Bourne clone assassin abseils into the apt, smashing the window, and sprays the place up with an Uzi?
Well, epic fight. And old Jason wins, but only just, because the MK robot just keeps on coming, punch drunk for more punishment.
See – that’s what these cubicle BOYZ are programmed to do.
Like a scene from BOILERHOUSE all they can do is follow their SCRIPT.
No imagination at all, they can’t deviate you see.
The effect they want to achieve is to marginalise me, tony Roma, felix, ferret, dopey, molliemalone, and a few others – as kooks.
Peters technique – all of them, because they do constant 24 hour shifts – is to above all remain calm and unemotional. And to keep plugging away, Peter in his vomit-inducing ingratiating way (they are all the same), in order to try and plant SEEDS OF DOUBT in the thread.
Other sock puppets, probably old pete himself with several IDs, will then agree with him.
And on and on it goes, day after day, which is why clarkeyboy thinks the whole thread is mad.
Well, it will appear that way if you are not reading it in realtime.
If you read it for an update say once a day, the spook peters bank on the fact that most people here do not follow in realtime, and thus will tend to gravitate to the unemotional ARSEHOLES, who by and large are playing a game,
Isn’t that right Peter? 😉 🙂
The truth is….we don’t know.
It could be all that has been mentioned on here…and more.
The problem is, the deep mistrust people have for “Govt.com”.
They have proved themselves in the past to be “wrong un’s”.
Hard data…proved that the Zapruder film (JFK) was “heavily” altered (and released by the FBI/CIA).
And as for WTC7 !!!!
Anders et al…only add to the problem, with the shouts of “shrill” and “spook” every ten minutes
What to do !
@ watcher
They’d be nothing out of the ordinary in a home office. Admittedly I wouldn’t bother with a satellite dish in mine, if I had one….but I’m not a man and many of you lot do like your gadgets.
Hell, God knows what would be made of my own home set up. My garage was the sales centre for the builder’s showhome. It was alarmed to the hilt…it still is. The alarm is treble the alarm I have in the house, and was remotedly monitored. There’s not one but two phone lines into it…with a huge junction box on the outside wall…..and then there’s the two powerful spotligts on it front to back that my leccie dad installed, and a bricked up patio door….I’m amazed I haven’t been arrested.
…and from Anders, we get quote, “ARSEHOLES” unquote.
Whops I forgot to mention the remote panic alarm thingy to carry round that came with the garage alarm too…I better move the dodgy tins of paint and bags of dubious fertilizer before the armed response team arrive.
Peters technique – all of them, because they do constant 24 hour shifts – is to above all remain calm and unemotional. And to keep plugging away, Peter in his vomit-inducing ingratiating way (they are all the same), in order to try and plant SEEDS OF DOUBT in the thread.
I probably shouldn’t (or else I shall never make it to full tea-boy status here in our secret underground lair, where we have sharks with friggin’ lasers strapped to their heads swimming around), but still: thank you for that pithy description. You have made my day 🙂
electronic access control and a satellite feed, neither of those things are normal in a shed
I think in the words of most of the previous “posters”….
“the man has been found out”.
The insults have failed.
Watcher.
Rather…why would you bring your work home with you ?
Like “alot” of work.
He was a “contractor” right ?
His father did alright for himself. Hence the house.
..and he passed it to his son.
His son is a contractor….and doing “alright” but “massive”.
He’s in an 04 touring ?
He has a “brain on him”….and brings some work home (the shed).
But what would he “know” that the “team” didn’t ?
Nothing ? Something ?
@mike
“First reports say 3 Kidon were exfiltrated by an Israeli general from a nearby airport, to Geneva, and on to Tel Aviv”
Anders, I would like to know why there should be any truth to this claim, given that it was posted on indymedia UK with reference to a Press TV report which doesn’t seem to exist.
Plus the article was removed. Is this because:
1) spooks had it removed?
2) it contained a load of user-generated tosh, in essence referring to a non-existing report of Iranian state media?
Don’t make me laugh.
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Figure it out mate. 😉
I was on this case when it all happened. The story was posted at indymedia and at pinkfish, and lost more places besides.
Of course the Israelis and Brit protectors were getting their panties in a wad, the DA notice kicks in, all traces of the report go 404.
Figure it out buddy, it’s been done to DEATH on these two threads so thanks for flagging it up! 🙂
Interested readers need only do a search on GENEVA or EXFILTRATION or ISRAELI GENERAL. 🙂
Nice try btw (not)… 🙂
Keep it up BOYZ and we’ll keep
GETTING BACK TO BASICS(tm)
Leave us in peace and you won’t get so much blowback – Mmmm’K? 🙂 🙂 🙂
Yes, especially the DA notice which Press TV received.
Having read your Mossad hypothesis all over the web today, I have identified this claim as being kinda key.
As a note: I’m quite happy to entertain the idea of a Mossad hit. But you’ll have to do better than indymedia, pinkfish and Press TV.
I probably shouldn’t (or else I shall never make it to full tea-boy status here in our secret underground lair, where we have sharks with friggin’ lasers strapped to their heads swimming around), but still: thank you for that pithy description. You have made my day.
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I aim to please. You want to be worried about the far cleverer agencies worldwide reading this, rather than me. Keep on poking us here at Mr M’s third most influential site, and it will get worse for you. This is not a threat, it is a fact. There are dozens of hard core tesearchers bu my estimstion soaking this all in. The Internet has just exposed a pair of royal tits, I am similarly exposing other royal tits on this thread! Touché 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂
Anders…
Where is this “First reports say 3 Kidon were exfiltrated by an Israeli general from a nearby airport, to Geneva, and on to Tel Aviv” ?
Contrary to your belief, and I do hate to be a terrible bore and rain on your parade, but you can’t just “rock up” in your GV ….and then “up, up and away” in it again !
Especially from somewhere like Geneva.
You can not believe how mad that thought is.
So where is your “first reports” and is it wrong ?
The first “reference” when searched on “googleshire” is …
YOURS on “David Icke” !
So where is this report ?
@James, how are you so sure he was a contractor ?
here James: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1979963/pg6#33273442
Taken from a random indymedia post which has been removed in the meantime.
Hard data folks.
Watcher…
No.
I thought I had read it mentioned…
AND he used a “Company” name and accountant.
I have flown (getting hours in) years back as a “contractor” and used a company. Many contractors do.
Mike..
I dont like clicking on links with the words “godlikeproductions” in them !
They are normally…crackers !
Did it say it there ?
@felix @Anders777
“I could have give her a firemans lift and taken her DOWN ON my bike” Jeez for Conspiracy theorists you dont pay much attention.
Down the hill. Savvy?
So the “story” is…well crap.
And the FBO there would have known…or seen it !
Anders info is “crackers” for a start.
Now if you had to check the pax manifest from Geneva, then I would say “maybe”.
But how to check “Mr D.P. Jones. British passport. Geneva to Charle De Gaulle”.
That would be a possibility.
And has been used by “others” before. It’s harder to track commercial pax than it is to find a Falcon 2000 leaving LSGG
“General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) has been flown from Paris to Chambery Airport according to Press TV. Chambrey is only a short drive from the site of the killing. He was 20 minutes on the tarmac before he left with three extra passengers. The helicopter flew on to Geneva”
Pasted from indymedia, I assume. And most likely Anders’ post? Maybe the indymedia one as well? 😉
Love your use of hard data Anders!
It was reported that he was a contractor. £28 an hour was quoted by some rags.
And yes, many contractors set up a limited company for tax reasons.
£28 an hour – I wonder where they got that from. I’d have expected instead a daily rate ie £300 a day….or more. A bog standard electrical engineer would get those rates or in excess of those rates. It’s not much in the contractor world especially with his supposed specialities.
AMS 1087 LIMITED = This was his company name – Aerial Photography and Surveying
Would they have put so much emphasis on working for the Surrey Satellites Firm if he was just a contractor ?
I wouldn’t think they’d want the bad press if they could avoid, if he was a perm employee though they would probably have to go with it.
@ john
“I could have give her a firemans lift and taken her DOWN ON my bike” Jeez for Conspiracy theorists you dont pay much attention.
Down the hill. Savvy?
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Now I find all that bit a bit odd…not the fact that, with no mobile signal, he left the scene. Likewise his reasons for leaving her were plausable.
However, 400 yards along the road along comes Phillipe…in a car. Phillipe wants to go to the scene so they do, to the reluctance of rafman. They seem to have done little more than ponder the scene when they got there, before deciding to leg it…..leaving the girl behind once more. It’s THAT part that I find weird.
Phillipe stated he was sure she was dead. RAFman knew she wasn’t dead when HE found her, and didnt mention whether his opinion changed on his return visit. Who amongst us could leave an unconscious 7 year old girl behind like they did? By that point they had a car, and several people to lift her into it. They weren’t worried enough about the shooter still being on the scene to go to it, yet were worried enough once they got to the scene to decide to leave it again…yet weren’t worried enough about leaving the girl with the shooter potentially still around?
I don’t buy either of their explanations about that part.
So anders, what’s your theory? Or do you not have one?
Lol@Dopey
The decision to leave her there was so difficult, I did it twice!
lol @watcher