My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@james
Dopey.
28 GBP is pretty rubbish for what he does.
And that’s what the rags have said ?
It has to be more, surely.
And 04 BMW with the children, I read not in “private” ed.
A normal guy ? Or a skint chap wanting cash ?
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That would be Quinn Martin Productions Ltd, 55 Princes Gate, he and his “fly me” missus are £600,000 on the hole with Fern, the front company. 🙂
HTH. 🙂
And he was of course by his own statement a ‘phantom pilot’
Try and get everyone on yourside by looking clever…
And if that fails (which it clearly has judging from the comments of others…including the Mod) your next trick is try to “belittle”.
The last gasps of a bully.
…and for your next (oh so tiresome) “trick” Mr Bipolar ?
What will it be ??? I do so hope it is interesting.
Or shall I just ignore it again…again….again ???
I really can’t believe how little time has been given on this thread to the industrial espionage angle. Huge merger (BAE/EADS) creating for the first time a real competitor to Boeing (I’m sure they’re not too happy, even though they’ve been playing it down in the media), Al-Hilli being an expert in probably the most competitive and lucrative sector of defence/aerospace (satellite technology/possible drone skills transference), both he and Mollier being under the employment of EADS subsidiaries, RAFman currently, according to the info that’s been posted, employed by Boeing. BAE have a pretty murky history (Al-Yamamah deal/Mark Thatcher), EADS have been worried about espionage in their ranks for a while and I wouldn’t put much past Boeing. Plus if it was industrial, it might explain the slightly less clinical nature of the hit, having used mercs or local crims. It seems to be more likely than a government hit IMO.
@dopey
He got ams 1087 simply because it was the next free number . Next guy requesting a letterbox got ams 1088, and so on. There are hundred or more companies registered at the same surrey address. That is usual for companies not having their own office and location and for companies trying to hide something and for companies involved in crime, money laundering, tax fraud and other activities.
For sure there was no office at this surrey address but just a letterbox for each of the hundreds of limited companies all registered at this same address, likely created by a lawyer or by an accountant.
Bipolar
“That would be Quinn Martin Productions Ltd, 55 Princes Gate, he and his “fly me” missus are £600,000 on the hole with Fern, the front company”
We are actually…if you could put your drink down…and flick you telephone screen upwards…talking about Mr Al Hilli at the moment.
Maybe you should try and follow this thread…rather than “hop in” !
sex.
what is it about spooks and rough sex.
why make one of your own out to be a perverted autoerotic wanker.
knowing and shaming his family by putting him in a sports bag.
then the sham of weeks paying houdini’s with tax payers money to climb into sports bags as proof on loan gchq, mans sex perversion.
sex vauxhall gay sex.
you live by the sword peter and james you leave wives and got to horse meat disco for some r and r.
flaccid grey skinned men getting rocks off nasty.
phillip d
and the raf man need to be in a cell
i close my eyes and see the unmoving nodding head hardly any slither or hint of ear on the right side.
reflection of ear in mirror is inconclusive.
blinking,blinking blinking occasional shifty glance into lens.
sucking in of air into lungs,stiffness and expansion of neck muscles.
he has total scene reality detachment,sometimes a smile
not a care in the world apart from getting a script out.
not seeming to be a man in fear of swarthy iraqi family member hit squad.
he has been around death before maybe not killed but has seen things.
a sloppy edit with piss poor journalism.
asking the question why.
why the earlier bbc guy pointing down and up the road talking about dem dark woods.
why wheel out an ex raf fraud filmed next to palm and a not so exit door.
a weird little cupboad with tiny little dinky handles on.
the kind of cupboard men are found hanging in.
the kind of cupboard that spooks use to kill and to destroy reputations.
stick an orange in mouth,pull pants down stick a dirty mag on the floor.
auto erotic wanker killed himself dirty bugger.
who is gonna believe he was helped.
who will want to investigate.
who is this bullshit for.
can anybody defend this interview as real and above reproach.
is this how a modern man reacts to smashed up kids and dead folks.
@james
Dopey.
28 GBP is pretty rubbish for what he does.
And that’s what the rags have said ?
It has to be more, surely.
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Don’t call me Shirley. 😉
This guy tells it like it is…cuts through the crap..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au6QCLCk0Tw
@all
…and I get Per Diem’s for duty days I spend away.
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Per diems in James’s case involve packets of “Smarties” 🙂
Haden..
I agree (thinking Hawks flying over East Timor). They are a bad bunch.
But to kill ?
Could be.
I am sure that BAE would want some of this “High Alt” work now going on.
Poor Anders
“Per diems in James’s case involve packets of “Smarties””
Bless,.. but I do wonder how much tax I am paying for you.
T’is a bugger as they won’t even allow me to use the 183 days rule.
Still, I like supporting mental illness.
Interesting article http://news.uk.msn.com/world/saad-al-hilli-was-most-generous-man-you-could-meet
Got to say Anders…
I like the “@all” thing !
That my friend is Bipolar.
“Everyone, quick, listen”.
I did chuckle. Xx
Wot is it about nonestablishment spooks and rough sex
@dopey
@ James.
It IS a rubbish amount. If he had cash, he wasn’t the sort to splash it about lets just say.
Maybe he kept the BMW for the family/caravaning and had another car? Or maybe he didn;t believe in throwing money away on new cars every couple of years. Maybe he didn;t want to draw attention to himself by throwing money about either…who knows.
The wife was supposedly planning to return to dentistry, so maybe they were feeling the pinch. Contractor work can be very lucrative though, so money shouldn’t have been tight for them.
I woder how long the brother lived with them. I wonder how well the brother got on with Saad’s wife
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Obviously we all know James nice but dim’s act has been a busted flush from day one, but he is too dim to grok it.
I contracted all my life, and 300 readies is not too shabby, par for the course with his skill set, ex wife is a recruitment consultant, she coins it by parasiting off those REALLY coining it (not James 😉 ) – depends on the project, but 5k a week is not uncommon. And the rest.
@James
I think that (amongst other reasons including competition) is exactly why the merger has gone through. BAE has the service and maintenance side nailed and I’d guess EADS have something tasty in the R&D pipeline. Considering this merger has been ‘off’ for quite a while (EADS refered to BAE as a ‘schyzophrenic’ partner) you’d think it’d be something pretty special to concrete a merger. Especially as they expected the share price to fall as a result. I think when billions of $/£ in contracts and technology are at stake, killing whilst being an extreme measure, isn’t out of the question for these people.
Psychological expert speaks on PressTV about the Al-Hilli children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpgOReB2Hr4
at 2.08
Nabila El Zanaty. Experience? B.Sc Brunel University, 2003-2007. NHS Psychological Wellbeing Practitioner.
How do they find these people?
Phil T
“Wot is it about nonestablishment spooks and rough sex”
I was in the Ukraine, I’d had a few beers, I didn’t know her, Gustav said here ya go mate isn’t that perfect…the next thing I know was police everywhere…….!
@james trying to behave like a real miffed person, I really shouldn’t give away my tips!
Mate…two words.
Actually your words…
“Epic Fail”
Jog on fella.
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Ooooooh, look at her! 🙂
@sinbad @james
I am currently going through all of the al-hillis in sweden, there are just about 14 of them over the age of 16, trying to relate them to one and another.
I post my updates when I have found something, but for now I have got nothing.
Re james but was it written by gogol the ukrainian or gogol the great russian author
@blue tit
Search google for ams 1086 ltd, or for ams 1083 ltd and you should find them as companies, some of those already defunct and closed.
This is a letterbox building for letterbox companies, isnt it?
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Emphatic NO.
That is what your lousy misdirection above wishes to imply.
F. 🙂
I have flown into Warton (BAE) one of their sites…and the place is very “dire”.
All they are doing now is “parts” !
That’s always been good for business (Military)
The next big thing is “unmanned”.
Like the drones …etc.
And I expect there is big money there.
So industrial is big business.
So Anders, any more “evidence” as to why this was a Mossad hit? Since you’re whizzing around the retarded part of the interweb using factual grammar to speculate that it was Mossad, you might want to give us all a wholesome account of what leads you to this conclusion.
Or maybe it’s time to revive the dead thread at Icke?
Strawberry and you were doing really well at over at Icke, I mean it. I’m truly impressed with the perseverance, original thought and observational skills both of you put on display.
My only problem so far is the Kidon team at Cointrin. I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to understand why I’m skeptical given the hilarious sourcing and nature of the information, with your naive epistemic treatment thereof to top it off! And you still haven’t answered my question.
And I’m sure you would be skeptical too, save for the fact that it gives you fast-track “evidence” to uphold your “hypothesis” or rather, is the key ingredient to your “hypothesis”, which, if I may say so, you’re not treating in a particularly intelligent manner. I bet Zainab’s gonna be pleased when she hits the Icke forums in 5 years!
Come on guys, impress me! Otherwise I’ll get bored and Peter, James and I will have to go for a beer in the Bullingdon and shapeshift to and fro to pass the time!
Jen
But the Mother in Law will not be an Al Hilli.
Phil T
It was my little friend Gustav.
I say friend… I mean, he was Russian !
P.S. Never play cards with a Russian.
@sinbad she’s not she’s an AL-Saffar it’s all in the thread already dude
@ Watcher
Thank you but I was simply advising Jen that there was no point in researching Al Hilli in Sweden
@Sinbad I think Jen’s been here a while or at least read the whole thread