My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
So the aircraft took off from Geneva…with a whom you said onboard….
and it’s a “need to know by Tel Aviv and Anders” rule !
Anders, you are full of crap !
Go into snooker reporting live mate…then you can write a book or have your own website !!!!!
Anders is firing on all fours now after having sunk a few. Well, whose done askmid? I thought you were socially retarded super sleuths?
HARD DATA all the way, baby!
@dopey people react in different ways. If you thought a shooter was still in the area can you say honestly you wouldn’t leg it? Girl or not.
Love this from Daily Fail”
In order not to jeopardise his safety, the Mail has decided not to identify the man,[RAF guy] a potential key witness who was believed to be at a safe address protected by British police last night.
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Same guy who was “traumatised” by what he’d seen.Seemd to have got over that and any fears for his safety when he went on BBC lol.Phillipe D has more sense seemingly.
I dont veer towards CTs I just find crime an interesting topic,but some odd things in this case for sure.Unless 8yr old girl can give a car reg I think her interview will be uselss.
Why kill Mollier-does that suggest shooter wasnt disguised(balaclava?)
If you have some insider/trade knowledge about boeing/airbus(eads) I’d be interested to hear. Of course aviation industry sabotage is infamous, but any information would of course further the debate. Plus if this CANADAman shares the hypothesis, post what he has to say here (maybe you’ve already done so, but I can’t be arsed to trawl through the pettiness).
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Multiple tee-hees.
Folks, read all my HARD DATA on the airlines and nuclear sub angles . 🙂
Or am I diverting the subject from the “hard fact” you gave ???
The fact that remains A. Without proof and B. Impossible ???
@ haden
This below is a useful little site. Search for companies or people and it produces a spiders web map of who they’re connected to.
http://www.muckety.com/Query
@Haden
It is not the really the MO of any trained killer. It is more like a state sponsored hit. If you look at say a drug related hits they are very different – no attempt to reduce gunshot sounds with small calibre and reduced powder and and so on… Of course it could be another state but given al-Hilli was a Shia Iraqi Muslim who had visited Iran as Craig Murray mentioned in his original post
Obviously number two suspect would be Iran if they thought he was working for UK /USA /Israel
Anders….
For **** sake I am awaiting it !!!
I have asked you three times for the dat on the LSGG T/O.
Nothing back !
@ john
Hell I’d be off away from it like a dog out of trap four.
But they went BACK…or rather Phillipe knew the score up ahead and STILL went up.
@Dopey
Well if we’re led to believe it was the Iranians or other Islamic terrorist org. Then I’d say 4 3 shot bursts into the air in celebration of a job well done. They picked up one shell just to throw people off. 😉
In all seriousness though there have been no official reports of bullets unaccounted or even accounted for.
Dopey…
Good comment…
And would you “go up” ahead to see ?
You say you wouldn’t. I would be close behind….if not infront.
But did he get what Mr Martin was saying, so went to look ???
If I said “there’s four people shot in the head up there”… I’d be away.
@ haden
Well if we’re led to believe it was the Iranians or other Islamic terrorist org. Then I’d say 4 3 shot bursts into the air in celebration of a job well done. They picked up one shell just to throw people off.
In all seriousness though there have been no official reports of bullets unaccounted or even accounted for
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Well we know Saad got two, Iqbal got two, grannie got two, the kid got one and Sylvain got seven. So 11 went somewhere else.
Phillipe…seeming the morbid type determined against Rafman’s wishes to go up there and gawp.. probably took one shell as a souvenir. Expect it to appear on ebay in due course.
Folks
All you gotta do is click on
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Then you git ten pages on one long thread…
Then do a search, whatever pleases you.
And PS
You will find ALL the original MUCHO IMPORTANTO(tm) informatione on the first thread.
It is not al-Hilli science.
At this point I want to deliver an RIP prayer to the dead:
A Blessing for Death
I pray that you will have the blessing of being consoled and sure about your own death.
May you know in your soul that there is no need to be afraid.
When your time comes, may you be given every blessing and shelter that you need.
May there be a beautiful welcome for you in the home that you are going to.
You are not going somewhere strange.
You are going back to the home that you never left.
May you have a wonderful urgency to live your life to the full.
May you live compassionately and creatively and transfigure everything that is negative within you and about you.
When you come to die may it be after a long life.
May you be peaceful and happy and in the presence of those who really care for you.
May your going be sheltered and your welcome assured.
May your soul smile in the embrace of your anam cara (soul friend).
@ james
Good comment…
And would you “go up” ahead to see ?
You say you wouldn’t. I would be close behind….if not infront.
But did he get what Mr Martin was saying, so went to look ???
If I said “there’s four people shot in the head up there”… I’d be away.
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I’d be away too..and ringing the cops to say there’s some nutter in lycra on a bike just stopped me and said he’s shot somebody.
I wonder if Phillipe’s had his threesome in the mountain hut yet.
Not so ‘dopey
N snoughty wife (in a troff)
Some sort of notion of truly ‘democratic intelligence’
– not some bunch of arrogant elitists telling the ‘masses’ what to think/believe …
@hades
Stick around ‘bro. 🙂
Not true !
This is the point.
The died of two gunshots to the head….
But you can be shot “otherwise” and not die.
That’s 14 shots “known” 2, 2, 2, and 1 (Al Hilli’s)
and 5 plus 2
Possible one in the windscreen (maybe two) 15 (16)
So…nine or ten “into the car”.
They would have to be “at the driver” (to stop the car) and then you have to double tap the rest !
How many to stop a driver ???
A crzed gunman would use “alot” I guess.
That’s where I struggle with “crazy gunman” !
Case closed. I think anders had it nailed
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061043251
This is HARD DATA. Explains everything.
@Anders
Sorry, didn’t see your last post. CANADAwho?
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Tent pegs, old chap. 🙂
Just to throw in a curious thing.RAF man arrives, sees Zanaib staggering in road,so surely incident must have literally just happened; after being shot and pistol whipped severly she wouldnt be upright for long(she passes out not long after)?So if he was so close why did he not hear car revving or hear Moullier shout out(if he indeed had chance?)before arriving? :/
@James
I think about 6 you proved my point. The vehicles were only seen by one witness and somehow avoided the other two.
7. Yes that was very open but I think we will not see the like soon from Mossad.
8. OK I only have been reading Jerusalem Post, Ynetnews and Haaretz and they have virtually no coverage … I know that they are obviously Israel /Middle East centric but this is a very big story in two European countries with at least with some connection to Iraq and Iran (I believe Israel has some interest in Iran)
Pinky !
There are alot of words there !
And an alien picture !!!! (in type face).
Becareful what you read over there……reptiles may eat you !
And if we DO NOT get rid of Flanders, it’ll be like that here soon.
Just rubbish !
Although I do like FlAnders. He’s alot mad. And therefore funny.
My tax has paid for something funny ! Yipeeeee !
@Watcher …Interesting that isn’t it ?
Also @anybody …are there any pictures of the drivers side of the car in situ available ?
@Fiona
Well I’d say drug related hits are a different matter all together, usually big and bloody to send a message. Sometimes though quick, silent and without any hooha. My point is any assassin worth his salt is going to do his job as quickly and as quietly as possible, leaving as little trace as he/she can. When I say training I mean proper training ie. SS or SF. Plenty of ex-guys out there doing wet work I’m sure. Doesn’t pin it down to Mossad by any stretch of the imagination.
@Anders
You are bloody cryptic aren’t you! Tent pegs? 🙂
Fiona…
Agree.
Six. They were not seen by the French Hiker in a car….
…and by Fillion-Robin (from their statements disclosed in The French Hikers case)
But Mr Martin said he saw them.
So…where was that ? We have no idea.
Between The Frenchie entering the Forest Route…and Mr Martin being on it, what is the time difference ?
I have no idea, but PD said “a litle before 4pm”
How long is a drive up that road ?
And how long is a cycle ?
…and add to that, there is one turn off on that road…which is a “track” really.
But can a 4×4 “do” that track ?
We either have the luckiest hitmen / carjackers in history…or we don’t have the truth.
Think about that…and I’ll tell you why I think Anders is wrong.
And that’s to do with “wild speculation” which has ruined this thread.
@GuyF isn’t it all that interesting and mysterious? Despite the off topic bits on here, it’s fascinating. Interesting to see The Sun article posted earlier explains the shed is full of computers and he had actually no work with the defence sector whatsoever.
Well that’s cleared that up nicely, too nicely ?
Not so ‘dopey
N snoughty wife (in a troff)
Some sort of notion of truly ‘democratic intelligence’
– not some bunch of arrogant elitists telling the ‘masses’ what to think/believe …
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Who ELSE uses the word TROFF, 😉
Oops 😉
@John
Just to throw in a curious thing.RAF man arrives, sees Zanaib staggering in road,so surely incident must have literally just happened; after being shot and pistol whipped severly she wouldnt be upright for long(she passes out not long after)?So if he was so close why did he not hear car revving or hear Moullier shout out(if he indeed had chance?)before arriving? :/
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Good point