My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Could be drugs….
But I doubt Al Hilli had them..or made them.
And a motorbike ! How little could that carry ?
Maybe with paniers ! But not alot.
A bike ! Hardly worth the pedal power.
and the 4×4 ? Well alot.
But then who is he selling to ?
Maybe PD in his car !
But then PD (not there yet) is meeting the 4×4…who decides it’s best to shoot everyone before he hand over…which never happens.
So I doubt drugs. Does my logic follow on that one ? If not please say.
I wonder if Phillipe’s had his threesome in the mountain hut yet.
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Suggest he is a threesome man, does his missus know? 😉
Promises of mucho more threesomes to come!
Dollars
Yen
Swiss Francs 🙂
These forums are the keyboard warriors equivalent of a winos park bench. After a few drinks (come on, you’re all on it!) we have the world sussed!
@Watcher I haven’t seen that article in the Sun. Seems the Press releases are building up to a fitting end then ?
Very incite-full Pink Panther….Do you have a licence for your Monkey ?
Shruuup you guys (all tho PD’s 3 some did cross my mind !)
Seriously…on a Wednesday !!!!
Anyway….
If anyone is following this (on standy to 1am Zulu…then I get ripped)
So drugs, unlikely.
Next…lone nut.
Yep, could be…but lone nutters wnat to make a statement.
Or they want to make an entrance…and an exit.
Big shoot up etc.
Unless a real “serial” lone nut…but a kind of guy like that shoots up a whole family…..with out reloading or a second gun !
Nah !
So that’s drugs and nutter out….
So what is left ?
“Suggest he is a threesome man, does his missus know?”
That’s number two witness from the car.
Number three is Bernard (pronounced Shirley !!)
@Haden
About most ex-SS or SF guys they are usually quite noticeable if they had been following the al-Hillis people might well remember them. The difference with Mossad is they recruit all types who can look just like ordinary tourists and act like them. Remember those who did the Dubai hit, anyone for tennis! Ok that one did not work out well publicity wise in the end but does show Mossad when not actually doing the hit are better than most at blending in. Dubai had CCTV .. this area sure did not.
@James for me it all points back to the one thing that is missing, and that is the Bike Rack. Where is it ? What was in it? and where did it go ?
oops when was it removed that should have read
Could be an an initiation / rite of passage for some group.
Go and eliminate these 2 dudes playing memory sticks in the woods and your in?
@ dopey
Not a peep. And they must have had the grand safe opening by now. I reckon the safe opening was probably on “bomb squad” day. They probably went back to look for secret tunnels leading to the shed
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Shades of cold tits? Colditz, Peter? Am I allowed to say that? The Great divide, KM’s north:south divide? Reminds me of two of James’ brain cells… Off centre, inert, wobbly, not a pair of twins etc etc etc. 🙂
oo <——– making a break for Geneva again! 🙂
Well I’d say drug related hits are a different matter all together, usually big and bloody to send a message. Sometimes though quick, silent and without any hooha. My point is any assassin worth his salt is going to do his job as quickly and as quietly as possible, leaving as little trace as he/she can. When I say training I mean proper training ie. SS or SF. Plenty of ex-guys out there doing wet work I’m sure. Doesn’t pin it down to Mossad by any stretch of the imagination.
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I’m listening.
Yes. The bike rack and the possible bike too. I am fairly patient but not to have had any information about them by this stage is bad. I know suggestions that some info or tech was hidden in the bike (or rack I guess) have done the rounds but could it be the killer or one of them got their blood or some other identifying matter on it so had to take it.
I might get shot down in flames but floating this one but, I’d say leaving on foot would be the best option. In hiking gear you wouldn’t look out of place, no direction is off limits except extreme gradients and chances are you wouldn’t pass witnesses going cross country
Time for bed will pick the thread up in the morning, let’s see what that brings. although we are clutching at straws atm.
@Watcher
Initiation rite
You mean initiation rite among those who are already very well trained in killing. Funny
@Watcher
Leaving by foot. A much better idea and quite possible. I doubt that every walker that came out the forest after the killing was questioned or even noticed.
“oo <——– making a break for Geneva again" Says Anders
And again I ask…where is this report ?
Ah I see, you're making a joke of it now, as though I asked !!!!!
Ya fool no one mucker…and not the poor bloody tax payer like me that's paying for you.
@spooks
An Irish Funeral Prayer
Death is nothing at all. It does not count. I have only slipped away into the next room. Everything remains as it was. The old life that we lived so fondly together is untouched, unchanged. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still. Call me by the old familiar name. Speak of me in the easy way which you always used. Put no sorrow in your tone. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word that it always was. Let it be spoken without effort . Life means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was. There is unbroken continuity. Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just around the corner. All is well. Nothing is hurt; nothing is lost. One brief moment and all will be as it was before. How we shall laugh at the trouble of parting, when we meet again.
@Fiona
All secret services are trained extensively in how to ‘hide in plain sight’, fit in with their surroundings, be instantly forgettable (maybe not US secret service, the dark glasses and ear-pieces are a sure-fire giveaway). So current or ex, whichever agency or not, if they’re SS trained in the field, your unlikely to notice them. Mossad also get caught out more than most.
And yet again Anders, data ?
Can you yet again I ask, supply the data on the flights you claim to know of, but will not share ?
@Fiona, if it’s the work of professionals they would all have been beasted up and down mountains, go sleep in the woods for 3 days with a survival kit etc. They would think nothing of a hike through woodland slopes to meet transport a few miles away.
Anyone see any Police Dogs on any footage / reports ?
Come on Mr Anders, which airline did you work for ????
You said it, not me.
I’m only asking as another flyer…we could comapre notes on former employers.
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Air Anders(tm) Inc. 🙂
And yet again Anders, data ?
Can you yet again I ask, supply the data on the flights you claim to know of, but will not share ?
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Hades is doing ok
Let him talk.
And again Mr Nonsense ?
Hard facts.
I see what you do. You play the “no sense” game, until you have you followers to hide behind.
To be honest I think you’re the “spook”. Well no.
The “wish I was a spook” brigade.
Lines upon lines of rubbish.
An Irish funeral Prayer …for the spooks !
Some scene from a childish film.
Allsorts of crap !
And never answer a question ?
Anyone see any Police Dogs on any footage / reports
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Yes, Martin Cunt. 🙂
@James for me it all points back to the one thing that is missing, and that is the Bike Rack. Where is it ? What was in it? and where did it go ?
the french have mow stated the case rests with the iraqi/brit family.
everything else is just dressing.
cover up in place.
mossad,mi6 and frog stooges on message.
blame the brown folks time.
james if you are here for good reasons i suggest you stop the pointless child like to and fro.
comment after comment of cack.
a cynic would suggest filling the board with bilge is a distraction.
and clearly below your so called superior intelligence.
so how about you spend more quality auto erotic fun time.
D notice as usual is in place.media fully paid up and on side.
everything nicely sealed up tight.
couple more bbc clips to finish off with.
we have to wait to see if they just let it fade or if they find a family member or drugged up loan nutter.
may i suggest in future try to find a proper raf hero rather than some bad kiwi sock puppet.
it gives a very poor showing of a trillion dollar military drugs infrastructure.
you have enough money to make 500 batman movies yet you come up with shit.
i have seen better scripts and story lines on teletubbies shows.
we seem to have been captured by a few hundred zionists in israel and washington.
they are the real nutters.
we are in big trouble.
“sock puppet”.. that’s the smae, infact the very same, words that Anders uses ! Odd
So…how can it be odd that Anders quotes a piece of data.
Infact relies on it….
And yet when numerous people ask for this, he does not reply. Infact you do ! Again you do when he is stuck in a corner.
Isn’t that funny ! Isn’t the internet funny.
So…where is this data ? Where is this gem of gems we keep here of ?
You question…nay, call Mr Martin, yet when someones asks you two (or is it just you !) where this data is, you fail.
I think I have enough people that see through you now to push on…and rid of you.
Data please. There is no “divert” here. Anders brought it up.
Continue “boys”.
“a cynic would suggest filling the board with bilge is a distraction”
Actually maybe not.
A cynic would say….so where is this data that Anders talks so highly of ?
Would a cynic not ?