My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
I still like Brett Martin & Sylvain as training partners. Each has a minute lead see how long they can hold it.
But absolutely no proof to link them apart from that they both cycle.
And same club ?
Both kicked out ?
Ugine Velo ?
Straw.
Didn’t someone say Brett Martin was doing security work, many do after the forces, he’s still young enough to be working ?
@ john
“Move along please, nothing to see.”
Certainly nothing suspicious.
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Quite. So why not stick to trashing posters on the DS forums and leave us on here to it!!!!
Its strange to run to the police seemingly so quickly, I have no exact timings (who does?) but it seems that she drove to the Police , photo in hand within an hour or two of him not arriving home..
Police in UK wouldn’t take much notice until someone has been missing for 24 hours – Unless they were vulnerable (mental health, lack of medication etc) or very young …
Yes, Anders where are you?
@ watcher
I think they reported that she’d heard about a shot cyclist so, him having not come home, she went to the police to see if it was him.
What about….
Two cars in the carpark. And a motorbike.
A barrier to “to slow” Mollier down (but how would they know he was to go there ???)
And 5 shots to Mollier (that leaves four left).
One shot to the windscreen.. 3 to the driver (and reload).
Same to the back…run around…starts again. Then….
Bloomin heck, even I have to say theres alot of running around involved in that scene !!!!!
@Dopey, that sounds a bit more plausible..
…was going to add.
4×4 leaves…..and hitman is on his motorbike.
BUT it just doesn’t add up. Sorry.
How long do we wait before filing a missing persons report for Anders?
Oops a bit late for VPN , hey ho !
30 seconds of gunfire from the nearby campers?? fits 2 shooting better especially if had to reload.
Do you think the bonnet mark could be from the same bullet that marked the windscreen – would be from low down maybe the far side of the road, where the verge is below the road surface (can only be seen from the video of the area)
Ya got to be ahead of the curve Guy !
Hence your fire didnt work so well.
…and I previously lived in the Middle East. A VPN (or three) is essential there.
You do this there….and I’d be seeing Dopey and Strawberry everyday…at slop out !
More to the point – How to stop Anders writing 2000 comments as he catches up with this thread. Need to tell him to catch up and make notes before typing.
@James
More than one shooter. All the authorities said was that one weapon was used, firing 7.65mm in some cases known as of course the much more likely .32 ACP (just to throw water on the “it had to be an antique” bollocks). What got lost in translation was that it was one TYPE of calibre used, not saying how many actual weapons were fired.
Straw…
“30 seconds of gunfire from the nearby campers”
I was thinking GPMG style “bursts”. (think that was reported !)
NOT “30 secs of”. Which I think is correct.
30 secs tho, is pretty damn fast, give what happened…and from ONE gun.
How long do we wait before filing a missing persons report for Anders?
Nobody misses him. God thanks he was once again drinking too much and likely fell asleep for the next 24 hours. Perhaps he is ok once he is sober. I hate people who dont collect evidence and theories but accuse everybody unpolitely who doesnt agree with his own conspiracy.
I skip his posts while i love the posts of those of you who collect and submit evidence and information.
I’ve always believed there was more than one shooter….
It doesn’t make sense for a hitman to reload when time is of the essence.
Philippe D.
The Guardian (Kim Willshire) reported
Didierjean, 41, told Le Parisien newspaper he had been hiking up the Combe d’Ire with two friends when he noticed the British cyclist coming down at speed: “He was in a panic and was coming down the route. He explained to me with difficulty in bad French that there had been a drama a little higher up. He wanted to alert the emergency services.
I can’t find any report of Le Parisien mentioning Didierjean.
Was it the Guardian which put this name into the public domain?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl?newsfeed=true
Anyone know?
It is left deliberately vague whether Brett M was cycling or running.
@ james
You do this there….and I’d be seeing Dopey and Strawberry everyday…at slop out !
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You’d be bending for the soap in the mens….me and strawbs would probably just be stoned to death
Is anyone going to check out those marks on the bonnet of the car , I swear they are foot marks,maybe they were there before that day if not what made them ?
Haden
Could be.
The Luger (non 9mm) had 22mm sockets (or is it 21mm)…and thats odd,
That’s old.
You can get loads of 9mm (the norm) but that round (7.65) has to have that socket.
Oddly (and out on a limb here) I think the French also made an automatic, like the Browning (but MSE) that fired 7.65’s
My thing is also, Luger’s are very “thin” at the handle. Is that the weapon of choice to shoot so many people ???
The story stinks to high heaven to be honest. NOTHING makes sense (only possible where the shooting was).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1935_pistol
That…but it’s 20mm (7.65)
Just all odd this shooting.
Not one bit makes sense
As this was in the mountains don’t under estimate the amount of echo’s that can be generated by loud noises. I have watched Thunder Storms in the Swiss Alps, and heard Avalanche bombs going off in the French Alps. Both reverberate round the peaks alot ! So from a distance 3 quick shots could easily sound like 6 or 9
Watcher…
That could make sense of the shots heard….by someone…somewhere.
Our man Brett hears nada.
PD plus his ladies…hears nada.
Your idea makes sense.
BUT (going back abit) and the only thing I can ask (as this case is so odd) why hasn’t the media asked about the roofrack ???
So, Phillipe Didier Jean…or could it be Didier Jean Phillipe? I’ve found the latter – he’s at a university in Geneva….not sure he looks old enough though.
@James
More than one shooter is the only explanation. I found it odd the talk of one weapon (ie one shooter) from the start and thought maybe there was something lost in translation, the Daily Mail article above confirms that suspicion. With regards to weapon I was thinking more along the lines of the Beretta 81 or Kel-Tec P32. Both relatively modern accurate weapons, used primarily for concealment and at close range. Why use a larger and louder 9mm when you know you’re dealing with an unarmed target?
@James
Also .32 is a readily available ammunition. As far as pistol ammunition goes in Europe.
@James it could fit with the witness at the campsite – 30secs of gunfire etc
Brett and Phillipe are lying, or weapon(s) suppressed and campsite witness is lying, or Brett and Phillipe are both listening to motivational Bon Jovi as they beast up the hill on their bikes ?