The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629

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My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  • anders7777

    Even if it was 1 shooter, they’d carry 2 weapons, in case of a jam ?

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    Of course they would.

    Rule 1.

    Always have backup.

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    And if it was me, it would be a revolver, which rarely jams! 😉

  • anders7777

    Bad smear job Ross, bad telly prog you do to.

    Those following this thread know the score old boy.

    Apologies for SPELLINK etc am in the pin on trusty iPhone 🙂

  • dafta

    I find it amusing Anders get’s the same **** whichever forum it’s on when people CAN chose to ignore.
    Sad as I enjoy reading all possibilities into this tragic event

    OK..I am sorry for not adding anything ‘constructive’ to the topic either

  • Mark

    I like the way the British MSM have suddenly become more pesky on this one having previously looked well ‘taken in’. Now suddenly we have the Mirror reporting SAH’s best mate saying he may have been a Mossad target due to his anti-Israeli rants and the Express questioning whether Mollier really was an innocent victim.

    I wonder whether the French media publishing the Kate pics has had anything to do with this change in attitude. Kind of ‘if they can do that then why should we play dumb on this?’

    Wonder what they will come up with next? French police have played a shocker with the media with conflicting details from witnesses, constant changes to key info (eg weapon) and will have to up their game if the media are now going to try to expose the murkier aspects of all this.

  • anders7777

    @dopy and Katie

    Think you mentioned about Zainab, who I prefer to call KRYPTONITEgirl(tm)

    Massive psychological trauma

    Shot in the shoulder

    So massive blood loss

    Severe head injuries

    Depressed skull fracture

    Fear her sight would be lost

    Depressed orbital bone

    Retina fear

    Induced coma

    Tavistock shrinks have their mitts on her and Zeena

    The 8 hours missing time fairytale with Zeena

    Head injuries leave lots of blood

    Yet DP saw NADA

    NUFFINK! 😉

    AND NOW ZEENA IS UP AND ABOUT IDENTIFYING

    JUST

    ONE

    BADMAN

    RAFman?

    No blood anywhere on gravel

    No blood spatter in Beemer

    No blood no blood no blood

    Dodgy burials

    No photos

    Keep changing the guns

    This thread takes 3,000 hits

    Spooks out in force here

    Lots of smearing going on

    We have touched a nerve with DA BOYZ

    DA notice in effect

    Advisory

    One or two tiptoe in to break it

    SAH was betrayed in 2003 by mi6

    No wonder he ranted at chat rooms

    I do the same at the injustice of it all

    Nothink wrong with that

    Does not deserve to die for telling the truth

    Plenty more

    Stay tuned 🙂

  • dopey

    The Mirror is STILL the only UK paper to carry that story about his chat room rants. I think that’s the Mirror in the norty boys corner for a D notice breach….again probably.

    Anyone know who the reporter was for that story, if one was named?

  • anders7777

    Hi guyfawkes

    Sorry dopey for SPELLINK

    Pls search the thread ref SAH. Employed by mi6 to persuade Iraq tank commanders to surrender just prior to operation schlock and gore

    Understandably he was a bitter min

    I still am too

    At the actions of Blair and sis USA Israel poodles

    2m marched against the war

    We were shafted

    We are still being shafted as Roma says by a few hundred warmongering pnac zionists within sis and CIA etc

    I cd say tons more but it is chucking out time fans le pub

    I will leave you all this from c n’s latest post on this fine site

    The BBC believes that Kate Middleton’s tits are a more important story than western diplomats in danger of their lives all over the Middle East. Says it all about today’s BBC, really.

    Killing people is not the solution to the World’s problems. Killing diplomats is particularly heinous as they are guests in a country, and are charged with keeping open the lines of peaceful communication between nations. Almost certainly Ambassador Stevens and his staff deplored the making and distribution of hate videos, and absolutely certainly they had nothing to do with it. Nor do the diplomats under seige today in Yemen, Sudan and Egypt.

    Oliver Miles, the extremely sensible former British Ambassador to Libya, while deploring attacks on Embassies and their staff, made the obvious point on Sky News yesterday that America’s unflinching support for an expansionist Israel was the root cause of hostile attitudes to the USA acroos the Middle East. His interview was instantly terminated.

    Miles’ observation is true, as it is true that direct and killing intervention by the US in Libya and Yemen has caused the situations that are now blowing back – often with US supplied or at least encouraged weaponry. But yet again, none of that justifies the racist attacks on westerners. Just as all Muslims were not responsible for Islamic terrorists, so all westerners are not responsible for the far right purveyors of anti-Muslim hatred.

    All decent people must despair at the prospect of yet another cycle of violence. Powerful interests both in the West and in the Middle East are not amongst those decent people.

    Of all the signals the West could send out to try to end the horrors wrought by the promoters of the “Clash of civilisations”, the most powerful would be to arraign Bush and Blair for war crimes. This is not a deluded hope of idealists; it is an essential step if the world is ever to heal.

  • James

    Dopey !

    “Have you taken over the shift from James tonight then?”

    Ya cheeky git !

    Have not read his comments …as ODDLY (and Anders is gonna love this)…I was “hit”

    Its been really od. And I use three VPN’s (mentioned it on here…and all went dead ! REALLY ODD)

    Want to blame Anders…but cant !

    All other Internet worked. All browsers etc.

    BUT HOW ODD IS THAT !!!!!

    Still “pinging” on back track, to see waht went on.

    But damn strange…and now have to read all other (and Anders) stuff !!!!

    Gimmme two !

  • James

    Haden

    @James

    Also .32 is a readily available ammunition. As far as pistol ammunition goes in Europe

    T’is…but its the “as the Frnch say” size !

    22mm or 21mm

    that’s what I mean.

    Larger is easier to get I imagine. (25mm)

  • James

    Dopey…

    Shurrp ! Ha Ha Ha !

    TV. Other is work ..and a back up.

    Mucker, I havent been on “the Island” for a good while…but I like “the tele” !!!! (sometimes) !

  • wally hope

    @peter, james, fiona ….. etcetera
    your gun talk is boring now …AND James, why all the double spacing? your body language says it all….

  • dopey

    From Empee at David Icke

    Andrew Neather ‏@hernehillandy (London Evening Standard)

    Draconian nature of injunctions barring publication of info about al-Hilli kids does suggest authorities assume Alps murders were prof hit

    11:14 AM – 14 Sep 12 · Details

  • James

    4 Million !

    Ya mans a contractor…..

    Here we go. (I hate quoting Bipolar) BUT …here we go ! Fairy dust land !

  • watcher

    @Dopey I don’t see our man Sylvain on that Metalworkers / cached site, which user is it attached to ?

  • watcher

    @Dopey can’t see it .. but thanks anyway.

    I did find that seem pic on an image search of his name, very low down in the results but a good search term to see all the press photo’s in one place

  • watcher

    @Dopey that ‏@hernehillandy tweet was actually 7.14pm BST/GMT+1 maybe a couple of after work Bordeaux’s loosened the fingers

  • dopey

    @ watcher its half way down the page (after the arabic type posts). Its too long an article to post here.

  • James

    Wally.

    The gun is quite important….or rather who tells us what the gun “is”.

    A 7.65 Luger is a “bit” Swiss, don’t you think ?

  • wally hope

    @ james why do you even assume it WAS a gun? have you seen the bodies? where is your HARD DATA ?

  • James

    Wally !

    So it wan’t a gun ?

    Are they dead ?

    Are “they” they ?

    Amybe it wasn’t anyone.

    So….Wally, can we agree at least “some people” died that afternoon ?

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