My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Wally Iran are gearing for an exercise, a big exercise, reports of them using drones as part of it as well as many other items at their disposal.
In response the US fleet is also staging ‘exercises’ in the gulf….. if this kicks off maybe the Alps hit will be the equivalent of WMD’s in 45 mins was for Irag …
@ james ships is the gulf? really? its not been on TV where is your HARD DATA?
YES…
As Anders will say. Look back in the thread.
This is not rubbish man. I think it Strawberry or Dopey or Felix, they picked it up…it’s “on the wires”. The Telegraph.
Not a big article…but the link is there from last nights “sparing”.
You probably missed it over todays orange juice and who was dancing on “come celeb dance for cash exposure”…but the link is there.
You think this is a “family shooting” ???
You think here there are ppl getting “hot under the collar” for nada ???
Read it. Please read it.
CINEMASCOPE PANAVISION(tm) Camera zooms in at The Ritz, lights ‘a’ poppin’, Gay Pareee (very gay, very very VERY gay, Anders )!, camera tracks back on a dolly, a pink convertible Rolls Royce is stuck in the gutter in reverse gear, its rear wheels spinning, and the smell of burning rubber pervades the night air of Gay Paree!
CUT to:
A silver haired be-suited beanpole slamming the door on Parker’s nose, and strutting up to Le Zinc, a la Basil Fawlty:
What’s it gonna be tonight, Sir Stallion? [winks]
[Beanpole looks around, the all is clear…]
Sssshhh. Been a hard week Peter (for it is he! )…
[mutual eye contact, smouldering]
OK! … Must snap out of it!
Eh?
Shut up! … Oh … bugger bugger bugger and THRICE bugger!
Four buggers sir?
Fuck OFF! Three threes is nine you imbecile!
Imbe-what sir? Anything to do with the Bastille sir?
[apoplexy surfaces]
Sorry sir … ‘Ave you been, ummm–
Spit it out man!
–Ummm, well sir, overdoing the ummm, Frankie Howerd again sir, down at Aix en Provence?
No! La Chevaline sur le Mort, since you ask.
I see sir. Tiffin?
Too early…
I know sir, one of your–
–Shut it Peter! Gin ‘n Tonic, large, fuck it, make it a treble, easy on the ice, treble place mats. That sort of jazz. Been a hard week at the falls.
Moriarty sir?
No – Anders.
Eh?
Eh indeed … We’ve had Interpol on him, the Mounties, FBI, GCHQ, NSA, convened daily COBRA meetings, tapped CARNIVORE, ECHELON, and finally checked out all the free OAP bus passes issued in Oxfordshire!
Get him sir?
Nada James – oops, I mean Peter..
[sulking] You’re spending far too much time at Harry’s Bar sir! I hate James! He’s a tramp sir!
Shut up Peter! My career’s on the line you fool! Anders is too slippery; slipperier than a greased eel at a slippery greased eel KY Jelly convention!
[Peter looks knowingly at Sir Scurvy]
Dead end sir?
No! We’re looking for a convenient Patsy. Anders fits the bill. Oirish. Sympathetic Muzzie leanings, that sort of jazz.
I see sir.
[EXTRA large HARD DATA-STYLE(tm) G ‘n’ T is poured]
There you go sir.
[Murders it in one looong gulp]
Blimey sir!
Usual jazz, SAS and Increment abseiled in – we told the fuckers! No abseiling, strictly verboten! – but what did they do?
RAFman sir?
Fucking-A! Two of them in one swell foop. Landed on the bastard. Mangled SAH’s bycycle! They are ruddy headstrong, the Hereford BOYZ!
Damage to RAFman sir?
[smouldering looks]
Only to his Grecian 2000 … Thank Allah!
Good result then sir.
NO! – Anders is still out there, on the prowl, iPhone at the ready, don’t you SEEEE! He could be anywhere, in the woods, in old SAH’s potting shed where he did all the dirty b*omb cooking, he could be ferreting for kebabs under accelerators, mapping NIPPLE EXCITEMENT plots, heat signatures from you tube videos, and we have no fucking idea what he will do NEXT!
Oh dear sir.
I’ve recommended to the PM to up the threat level!
To what sir?
Anders level.
‘Nother drink sir?
Same again, 4 placemats, usual jazz, but double up!
Eight buggers sir?
Nine, you fool!
Usual sir, Henri Paul’s account?
Not this time, Anders is on the case! Bung it on Herr Majesty!
OK sir. Sorted! Gimme a kiss sir!
Don’t tell James?
Oooooh get you! What about Anders?
Don’t worry, I have a cunning plan…….
@Anders you posted that last night ?
Ships in the Gulf and a rather large dangerous chess game
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-British-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html
Was also reported briefly on SkyNews earlier today
Watcher…
“In response the US fleet is also staging ‘exercises’ in the gulf….. if this kicks off maybe the Alps hit will be the equivalent of WMD’s in 45 mins was for Irag
You need a Dr Kelly. Is this the “Dr Kelly”
All through here I have questioned and questioned. Read it.
Do “we here” get so hot and bothered because there was a murder ?
It is from what happens due to that.
Here they have been questioned. This (Unlike Kelly) can be actually documented. Warts and all.
But it is here.
Its been really od. And I use three VPN’s (mentioned it on here…and all went dead ! REALLY ODD)
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I ***wish*** nice but dim James would desist from inflicting upon us all his ongoing, nay, EPIC, visible panty line problems. 🙂
TMI, as dopey says. 😉
sigh.. so we’re on the brink of WW3 ? some use the Olympic Games were then? but it was nice of the Bilderbergers to wait until after… we had a really nice summer didn’t we? Cheeky Danny Boyle slipping in a sEx pIstOl song at opening ceremony , the pretty va cunt! But now back down to business making some new orphans, winding up the muslims, getting the future Queen’s tits out…marvellous!
@GuyFawkes
Well fuck me!!
Link in case anyone else is interested…
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4049-gammaray-weapons-could-trigger-next-arms-race.html
anders that’s last nights episode, come on I don’t not pay my tv licence for nothing you know.
itsn’t there a new one for the viwers?
So where do we go to check the current DefCon status ? :s
Roland
“The answer to the whole mystery is so unclear”
Is that not the best way ?
forget “who they were” (or what they may have done).
If there is doubt either of them did anything with Iran…then the “I’s” get the first go at kicking.
And you think the “first boot in” is going to be like it was before ????
I think (just because it is soo strange) that this killing is damn dangerous.
Hence my “prove it” quotes and questions.
@rolandrat
Glad to see you and James et al, Peter etc, are paying attention! 🙂
This is just the starter. In a 15 setting GOURMET FEAST! 😉
Stay tuned! 🙂
keep up jaMeS
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“We should remember that less than six years intervened between the first scientific publication characterising the phenomenon of fission and the first use of a nuclear weapon in 1945.”
Night! sweet dreams
Wally…
“so we’re on the brink of WW3 ?”
De Gaulle is sat in the Med… there are french British, US, UAE and Saudi naval fleets in The Gulf…and christ knows what
There is Syria doing “whatever” (a sat state of Iran)
And….the Isamic Brotherhood kicking off in the Suez area !!!
And you say “CMON” !!
It’s not Iran it’s very much the Neo Con’s in the USA.
Jesus, I feel like a doom monger…but does ANYONE see that this could be the “spark plug” or is it just me ???
@ferret @watcher separating the wheat from the chaff
BTW, in case anyone is following this Hafnium thing, and thinks it might be pie in the sky, the New Scientist article was written in 2003, and predicted usable quantities of the Hafnium isomer could be produced “within 5 years”… that is, by 2008.
Also:
“André Gsponer, director of the Independent Scientific Research Institute in Geneva, believes that a nation without such [Hafnium isomer] weapons would not be able to fight one that possesses them. As a result, he says, “many countries which will not have access to these weapons will produce nuclear weapons as a deterrent”, leading to a new cycle of proliferation.
The Department of Defense notes that there are serious technical issues to be overcome and that useful applications [of Hafnium isomer] may be decades away. But its Militarily Critical Technologies List also says: “We should remember that less than six years intervened between the first scientific publication characterising the phenomenon of fission and the first use of a nuclear weapon in 1945.”
Enough for a murder or four? I should coco!
I was originally thinking along the lines suggested previously by others on this thread, of Sylvain potentially selling zircalloy technology to Iran for their reactors, or his acting as a double-agent and selling duff technology to them. Either is of course possible. Or neither.
But this raises the game an order of magnitude.
A further surmise… could SILEX be connected to this in some way? Or any of the other technologies that SAH was into, supposedly?
@Watcher
Apologies, our posts must have crossed – didn’t see yours before hitting submit.
Been away from this discussion for a bit – unforgivable i know. So when I left some were saying that a Luger P08 pistol 7.65mm was so rare it would be hard to find and easy to trace. Now we know they are common in Switzerland. Also they have an interchangeable barrel so Luger P08 pistol 9mm (found all over France – probably looted from dead Germans in WW2)could be changed into a 7.65mm. In addition they can use a 32-round detachable drum as well as an 8-round detachable box magazine. Also it was suggested no pro would use such a gun. However in this case the assassin would have known that his targets were unarmed and unlikely to be able to fight back so all he needed was a gun that could kill at close range and would be untraceable. The Luger P08 pistol fits the bill. He knew he was not up against pros so chose his weapon accordingly.
back2basics – ponder the postion of BMW ..it reversed to final position in an arc. what initially startled SAH to do that if he was front in? he obviously wasnt shot at that point but when at end position he was.. so MUST be plural shooters . also SM bike and body at end position, not where SAH was parked to begin with… this is all pointless now but I not read anyone point this out before and YES i have been following both forums… if it WAS discussed then i missed it… this i feel is more interesting than bullets and guns.. just ASSUME its MOSSAD-like 😉
@Ferret yours had alot more meat on the bones.
All feels like a decidedly real scenario though….will have to pick this up tomorrow
Nice Work!
@Ferret …..busy looking deeper into Hafnium. I was too busy looking at the Zirc. Isotopes as a possible factor and had ignored the by-product (Hafnium). There may be some mileage in this, who knows ?
@Watcher
Thanks – and goodnight! Outstanding contribution from GuyF… let’s just hope we’re not adding 2+2 to get 5. Feels right on the money to me.
I’m going to be up another hour or so…
In the meantime, answering my own question:
SILEX Technology
The SILEX Technology is a unique laser-based process that has the potential to efficiently separate uranium isotopes as well as various elements.
So presumably can separate other isotopes too?
http://www.silex.com.au/businesses/silex.aspx
and when you look at the skillsets that you’d need to do this, I think we have named them all in this thread
@GuyF Keep up the digging, this feels plausible and actually relates to facts. Good effort
@GuyF
Good going!!!
🙂
It’s a very interesting lead.. let’s see where it takes us…
Might be what SAH was up to in his “shed”…
@Vermillion
The Luger – yes also could be intentional irony from Mossad – killing an enemy with a weapon built by the old enemy. If you have read old Israeli leaders / generals biographies you know they love a little “joke”. Weren’t some IDF units that went into Lebanon named after concentration or death camps. I know some will say that was to motivate the troops by reminding of past wrongs but I think that went over the soldiers’ heads. Sabra and Shatila was so ironic too I guess.
@Fiona
Good point – and a Luger would be less obviously Mossad, wouldn’t it, in an attempt to throw people off the scent (except those who recognise the 7.65 “signature”, perhaps, so another “inside joke”).
I’ve been catching up with the past few days of the thread today and have been meaning to say I really liked your first post. Well written, well thought out, concise, and to the point!
🙂