My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@James
What would convince you it was real?
Ferret…
I’m sure there is a “cop” show you should be watching..or a film with “good vs evil” etc.
ha ha
hafnium
or just baby n n nukes using enriched uranium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73fIbNaysoI
“What would convince you it was real”
Are you asking ? Seriously I will answer.
@ james will this ‘conflict’ affect gas prices? its already $4.00/gallon in some states
Hi @Terry sorry I get “this video is currently unavailable” looking at the comments though this isn’t a DIME weapon.
More Gamma radiation burst produced by firing X-Rays at a Hafnium source. No big bang or impact I’m afraid.
I would like to see “the D Notice” !
Copy, print, picture. for Christ sake the “boyz” at “Alibabababba Bananas” saw it…other wise Flanders would not have “relied on it” so much.
Really is that so much to ask, of such an important thing ?
Trouble is… I don’t trust “Govt.com/haveaniceday” BUT I am (do)now distrust these “conspiracy dude” which you are becoming to sound like.
@Tony
Ha ha, love your stuff as ever – great link to one of my faves…
@James
Yes I’m serious…
@wally
@ little ‘j’ one day all the stuff that goes over your head will come down upon ye.
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OH yeah! I am a BIG believer in karma.
sorry anders but james aint no spook as im sure he would have took the bait… when i was a kid i used to listen to radio luxembourg under the sheets. i guess kids these days post to forums with their ipads… where’s emperor rosco when you need him?
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Yes and no Wally. These tossers just play the game, what they are doing on this thread is flooding it with crapola. That is why one of the mods c l arkey got so annoyed a day or two ago, thought we were all mad, and he wanted to erase everything!
And this is an experienced mo d on the 3d most influentila place in the UK!
He’s never seen anything like it, whereas I deal with it all the time, on circa about ten forums since the 90s onwards.
LOL.
So what chance does Joe Public have, in understanding this phenomenon???
Not a lot, as attention spans are extremely short these days (it is designed that way, the Tavistock social engineers bombard us with all sorts of data all the time (print, audio, visual, psychic via HAARP, affects the brain patterns, mobile phone cell towers, ditto, and all the rest), but that is another story, suggest anyone interested listen to alan watt at cuttingthroughthematrix dot come for the whole agenda 21 and Dee 15th century onwards agenda…)
SO!… 😉
They flood this thread,
1st thread was I think 700
This one approaching 3,000 very soon
Now this is quite an obscure murder in the middle of nowhere in another coutry…
There is obviouly a DA notice on, or all the papers would be covering it, fevelopments etc.
They haven’t touched it from the git go.
They wouldd even be writing stories as to how this thread hit 3,000, if there want a DA notice 🙂
lol
It is all obviously ,Mi5 (internal) masseuses (james et al)….
Their job is to neutralise anything said at this fine blog.
IMO so far it is failing, hence 3,000 posts, and growing.
BTW I am your age ‘ish Wally and did the same thing, I had a tiny silver transistor Grundig radio also under the sheets, LOL, with my piles of Men Only and Mayfair and Playboy! 🙂
Ahhhh, the mammaries! 🙂
PS
Quite an amusing film was done recently about it all, a few chuckles! 🙂
A la Votre! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Wally
“james will this ‘conflict’ affect gas prices? its already $4.00/gallon in some states”
Sadly that’s a good question.
And I mean that. But I would just say, its a good question.
PS I bet there are alot of bets on that…and alot of interest in it.
@James
Posts crossed in the… erm… post!
When I saw it, it was reposted as from an “anonymous manchester journalist”.
You might have to wait a long time to see a scanned copy, someone could go to jail for that. As I already said.
Is the evidence of the supposed D notice on the mainstream UK media not indicative to you that it actually exists? If not, would you mind explaining why not?
And what do you think of the Hafnium revelation? Explosive?
@ Anders “under the sheets, LOL, with my piles of Men Only and Mayfair and Playboy!” ………. and Cinema X 😉
im testing little ‘j’ but i agree with you…. if he IS in Virginia then that’s a ‘tell’
Well….with the “D” notice I just wanted “proof…as ppl were taking it to the full.
As for “Hafnium”
Jesus…well a massive money spinner. Infact billions.
And when you talk “billions”….then anything goes.
Moores Law is out…and cash is king. And that changes everything.
Hey Wally, lol, all the old jazz mags, lol, but Haden, I am SURE he is CANADAman at Godlike Productions, an American outfit based in Texas, he was posting to the GP thread on this massacre, alluding to an Industrial Espionage gig, then starts repeating the stuff, all over again, wasn’t happy with my delivery I suppose.
Must be tent pegs.
I called him on his ‘tell’ yesterday but despite being a v clever bloke, he continued posting here, and ignored my question.
Keen minds have noted that (not you james).
So, yet another spook, in other words, playing games, trying to divert this all to a bust-up between BOING and SCAREBUS.
I hope he doesn’t ever play poker against me, because I’d tear him a new one and he’d be in the poor-house faster than james’ imminent demotion! 🙂
Not cool to take hafnium from a baby! 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂
In Virginia !
And you have no idea how funny that is.
I’ll be either in the mall…or I’ll pick up a local…and send you the jpeg.
Some of us travel see !
@ litte’j’ you forgot to double space! WAKE UP!
Boeing ! For f*ck sake spell !
…and wasnt Anders on the Mossad side !!!!!!!
@bluebird
Re photos of women – we don’t know how devout, for example, SAH is. I notice, by coincidence, a trained dentist in Dubai,no longer engaged in extracting teeth, who has studied in the USA and the UK who shares the same name as Mrs SAH, who doesn’t mind having her photo taken…
http://ae.linkedin.com/in/maysalsaffar
@Ferret
Andre Gsponer of Geneva made an interesting comment on the BBC report of the Hutton Inquiry into Dr David Kelly:
As the Hutton inquiry proceeds it becomes more and more clear the what has killed Dr David Kelly is the collapse of his system of values. After having worked for more than twenty years for the cause of true peace and disarmament, he could not live anymore with the evidence that these goals were nothing but words in the mouth of the most senior political leaders. Like Dr Kelly, who happens to be only a couple of years older than me, I have accumulated much evidence over the 24 years that I have been working on Iraq’s WMD….. At no point between 1979 and 1991 did Western governments really object to Iraq’s development and use of WMD.
Dr Andre Gsponer, Switzerland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3190065.stm
So,Gsponer was very keen to support suicide theory, and ergo the cover-up. What a load of bull. Incidentally, and coincidentally, it was in Geneva where Kelly told diplomat David Broucher that he would be found dead in the woods (allegedly)…
Funeral photo of Sylvain Mollier from Ugine here..
http://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers/2012/09/16/un-dernier-hommage-rendu-a-sylvain-mollier
Looks like a discrete long shot. Not too much in the way of friends or family…clearly work colleagues told to keep well away. As is noted, a Sunday evening funeral is highly unusual.
I don’t see “thirty people” there.
Quite a bit of background on Mollier in this piece
http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/09/12/tuerie-de-chevaline-le-cycliste-tue-victime-oubliee-818773-7.php
“On parle d’un Monsieur tout le monde, mais qui dit qu’il n’avait pas une double vie ?”, s’interroge un gendarme. [double life??]
A Ugine (Savoie), où Sylvain Mollier habitait une grande maison blanche au coeur du bourg, cette idée paraît farfelue. Avec ses deux garçons, des adolescents issus d’un précédent mariage, sa compagne, pharmacienne dans une commune proche, et leur bébé né en juin, ils formaient “une famille sans histoires”, assure Hermance, une voisine âgée, qui le voyait fréquemment bricoler.
Sylvain Mollier travaillait dans un atelier de production chez Cezus, une usine du groupe nucléaire Areva, spécialisée dans la transformation de métaux destinés à la fabrication de combustibles nucléaires. Il venait de prendre un congé parental.
Devant les longs bâtiments en tôle de l’entreprise, à la sortie d’Ugine, les drapeaux ont été mis en berne. Un soutien psychologique a été proposé aux quelque 300 salariés.
“Ses collègues proches sont affectés et tout le monde parle de l’affaire”, rapporte un employé, pour qui “ça fait drôle cette histoire qui se passe ici”, dans ce coin de montagne tranquille au pied des gorges de l’Arly, à une dizaine de kilomètres d’Albertville.
“Ca fout un coup dans le village car beaucoup de monde le connaissait”, notamment par son père qui dirigeait bénévolement le club de rugby, et décédé aujourd’hui, selon un quadragénaire attablé sur la place principale du bourg ouvrier de 7.000 habitants.
La silhouette de Sylvain Mollier, un brun de taille moyenne, leur était familière. “Il faisait du vélo presque tous les jours”, témoigne Amelia Castro, qui le connaissait depuis qu’il était enfant et décrit, les larmes aux yeux, “un gamin serviable et très gentil”.
“Sylvain était réservé, la famille était très importante pour lui”, confie aussi Michel Chevallier, adjoint au maire.
Sa passion du vélo et du sport en général l’a conduit mercredi dernier jusqu’à une route forestière près de Chevaline, à vingt kilomètres, habituel havre de paix. “Il est arrivé au parking au mauvais moment”, lâche un cycliste fataliste avant d’entamer lui aussi la montée goudronnée.
lived in a big white house in the heart of [Ugine]…a pharmacist in a town near[by]…Counseling was offered to approximately 300 employees….His close colleagues are affected and everyone is talking about the case….
There is also a rugby connection – his father use to run the local rugby club (and died today (???). Seems SM was also involved in rugby, from another site:
Pascal a joué à l’école de rugby avec lui : “Gamin, déjà, il était comme ça : gentil. C’est d’ailleurs pour ça qu’il a arrêté le rugby. Il avait trouvé un sport qui lui allait mieux. Physiquement, il était taillé pour le cyclisme.”
Au fil des mots, les souvenirs reviennent : ceux des cafés partagés avec les copains le samedi matin, ceux du père de famille que Pascal a encore vu, mardi, promener son bébé en poussette… “J’ai discuté avec lui. Il était en congé parental, c’était bien son style…”
Seems to have taken up rugby as he perhaps wasn’t big enough.
@dopey @james (in case this is you!)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/family-took-sudden-holiday-after-fathers-recent-trip-to-baghdad-8114018.html
His friend, who gave his name only as James, said he last spoke to Mr Al-Hilli – who lived with his wife Ikbal and daughters Zainab and Zeena – on Friday 24 August, when he called him asking if he wanted to meet for a coffee in Guildford, expecting him to be at work. “I phoned him but he told me he was at home and had taken two weeks off,” he said, adding that Mr Al-Hilli had made no mention until that point that he was planning to do so.
James Allen? James Northam? James Nicholas?
Nuid asked for another aerial photo,note those marks on the bonnet:
Could someone explain how rafman could see holes in heads when the women were slumped forward over the 4 year old,surely that would not be possible, or do bullets go straight through & he saw exit holes ?
@Felix
Andre Gsponer of Geneva made an interesting comment on the BBC report of the Hutton Inquiry into Dr David Kelly… and coincidentally, it was in Geneva where Kelly told diplomat David Broucher that he would be found dead in the woods (allegedly)…
Curious that Geneva keeps popping up. It’s not so very far from Ugine/Chevaline either… may mean something, maybe not…
So,Gsponer was very keen to support suicide theory, and ergo the cover-up.
Clearly an establishment asset. Sickening.
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2124990770102481112CQRJdE
@katie
Wonder why only two shots were ever published? Hoskins must have taken more? Perhaps the Mail’s flight was a bit naughty?
http://soloweb.mainstreamdata.com/page/about-us
Does anyone know of this men ?
Urs Tinner.The Tinners, Friedrich and his two sons Urs and Marco were part of a nuclear smuggling gang.
“In pushing forward charges Swiss Magistrate Andreas Müller in December 2010 had attacked his government for having ‘massively interfered in the wheels of justice by destroying almost all the evidence.’ Less attention was however given to allegations of CIA break-ins in Switzerland, and an ‘unexplained decision by the agency not to seize electronic copies of a number of nuclear bomb designs found on the computers of the Tinner family.’ Switzerland may free nuclear smugglers”
Found here : http://aangirfan.blogspot.fr/2012/09/al-hilli-locked-doors-nuclear-smuggling.html
Try again with the car photo:
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I do wonder Felix, none of the left side of the car, a detective on Sky said the rear left tyre was flat as though it had be shot at but we don’t know about the other rear tyre.
@katie
The other side of the car was (quite oddly) parked right in the corner of the car park, hence an almost vertical view.
Daily Mail quickly picking up the strange funeral of SM…must be looking in here…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204165/Could-French-victim-Alpine-massacre-main-target-French-police-admit-cyclist-led-double-life.html