My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
So they finally ‘think’ Mollier was the target, oh please, he should have been from the start, look where they say his bike was found close to the car. He was sure ly who AH was waiting for. I hope the French police have taken that bike apart checking all the hollow tubular frames. Likewise Brett Martins.
Did that missing part of the roof rack contain something or was it used to store something…….rods ?
I don’t rule out the UK here,why else would 20 British agents rush from Paris ?
@Katie
Good work!
🙂
There have been suggestions here (many days back now) that SAH/SM were feeding duff equipment and/or info to the recipient, so it’s interesting to read, from the full article:
… the Tinners gave the U.S. spy agency information about Khan’s activities and helped the agency “introduce flaws into the equipment” sold by Khan to other countries.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2714971.ece
@Katie
He [Mollier] was surely who AH was waiting for.
Well, he sure wasn’t going hiking, what with him in his Sunday Best ‘n all…
😀
Felix, parking a car like that means it only has one vulnerable side… so did AH know this meet could turn ugly ?
I ‘m finding it hard to believe the car was in gear.
Also, if I saw that child & heard an engine running my first thought would be to go to the car & tell the parents their child was in trouble to get their help too, then return to her.
BM is lying.
I have finally figured out why the shooter used a P08 rather than a more modern handgun: That protruding barrel
http://picturegallery.tripod.com/p08.html
makes it very easy even for somebody who is not a trained gunsmith to attach a suppressor to the barrel. With more modern guns, one usually needs to replace the standard barrel with a longer one, which is easier said than done. With a P08, however, it is child’s play: Just file off the bead (which is useless anyway, because the fixed sights are set for a distance of 50 metres), cut a thread on the barrel and attach your home-made silencer.
Thus, I would bet that the shooter used a silencer. Together with the quantity of ammunition the shooter carried, two full spare magazines, that indicates that this was a pre-planned assassination of multiple victims, not a spur-of-the-moment incident.
@Katie good work, seconded!
Good to remind us of the 20 agents from Paris – not to mention the Deputy Ambassador, and then the sealing off of the scene for the cops from Paris to take over..
As the Daily Telegraph reported, Sept 6,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9524537/France-shooting-Father-named-as-Saad-Al-Hilli.html
Kara Owen, the deputy British amabssador, is in Grenoble at the injured girl’s bedside in hospital before going to the scene of the massacre at Chevaline.
How usual is that?? What was Ms Owen doing at the bedside?? [thought the girl was in a “medically induced coma]…
BTW can anyone remind me of the name of SM’s wife,the pharmacist… it was German sounding
Thanks Ferret, note Switzerland again,near location & all.
The use of a silencer also explains why Mr Mollier appeared on the scene. If he had heard the sound of sustained gunfire, he would hardly have stopped to investigate, would he? He would have turned around and sped off before even reaching the murder scene. As it was, he probably failed to understand what was going on there until it was too late.
@Katie
Must be too early in the morning, I hadn’t twigged another Swiss connection!
Here’s some HARD DATA™ to make up for my lapse…
🙂
Switzerland is one of the CIA’s most important operational centers because of the many international organizations based in Geneva.
Not only does the Agency collect a great deal of information about Third World countries there, but it also has a continual program aimed at recruitment of diplomats to work for the CIA upon returning home.
In addition, the Agency makes use of liberal Swiss banking practices to provide cover for many of its ongoing international financial operations.
http://cryptome.org/dirty-work/cia-who-where.htm
@Peter
Your “silencer” theory ignores the inconvenient fact that eyewitnesses heard approx 30 seconds of automatic gunfire, as widely reported in the media on Sept 7.
For example:
Witnesses reported hearing just 30 seconds of gunfire
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9527508/France-shooting-Police-probing-possible-family-row.html
Many more links exist to similar reports in other papers.
By the way, has the prosecutor confirmed officially that it was a Luger? Or this just another rumour in the mill?
Sorry to divert again – but Kara Owen, along with Peter Ricketts was in the thick of the outing of Dr David Kelly:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090128221550/http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/cab/cab_1_0091.pdf
Safe pair of hands there…
@ Ferret
Some eyewitnesses heard gunfire, others (who really ought to have heard it) didn’t. Perhaps both are right: A “silencer” merely reduces the report, particularly if it is a home-made one, it doesn’t entirely eliminate it. Moreover, the impact of the bullets themselves is quite noisy, sounds like a carpet being beaten.
Regarding the identity of the weapon, it is in all the papers, but I am not sure whether that constitutes official confirmation.
I lazily asked last night about the CERN connection, now off my behind I’ve found a very interesting post on this thread back on Sept 10.
Grogrogri
10 Sep, 2012 – 7:54 pm
Some facts, links and names and a time tabel:
first google for the following names:
Adlene Hicheur
SILEX
RAL
Additional Link about RAL:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991NIMPB..56..521W
Both Hicheur and al-Hilli worked for RAL (Rutherford Appleton Laboratory) and apparently it is said and it was also published that they worked for SILEX experiments at RAL and that both of them knew how to use SILEX to create nuclear material for weapons, as they both apparently worked for the top secret SILEX experiments at RAL. Hicheur was even sent to CERN as a RAL representative. Al Hilli worked about a so called “particle acccelerator” at RAL (stands “particle accelerator” for a SILEX beamer ?).
It is apparent the Hicheur had all the plans and the know how for SILEX and that al-Hilli apparently had those plans, too.
Hicheur was imprisoned several years ago for apparent links to Al-Qaida and terror plans which he denied (google “Adlene Hicheur”).
On May 9th 2012, Hicheur was sentenced to 5 years in prison by French justice because of terror threats.
On May 15th 2012, only 6 days later, Hicheur was going free because of “good behaviour”. Was that good behaviour that he did unite with the French authorities and apparently told them about who else had the SILEX know how and experience?
http://aseerun.org/2012/05/17/brother-adlene-hicheur-is-free/
On May 21st, only 6 days later, German and French nuclear scientist warned in press releases about terrorists and “criminal” countries about perhaps getting access to top secret SILEX devices.
It is said by eye witnesses, that al-Hilli became nervous at about the time right after his former collegue at RAL, with whom he worked (for SILEX research?), Mr. Hicheur was going to be released from jail because of his “6 days good behaviour” (whatever could also mean: “good cooperation with French secret services”).
There is no doubt that Al-Hilli had a meetiung with somebody at the lonely parking lot in Annecy mountains, a very lonely and secluded environment. People living there said when being interviewed, that this is NOT AN area where tourists are usually going because there is nothing to see nor anything to do nor to walk at the end of that street. One of the local abutters said, that they had never seen any tourist families with children driving up that road because this is no place for children for walking nor for doing anything else there.
Apparently Mr. Al-Hilli had a meeting there. Did he try to sell the plans of still top secret SILEX parts, plans, devices to somebody? Or else, did he try to purchase zirconium or something else for his perhaps small and private SILEX accelerator device?
Of course it is just an accident that there was als a RAF guy at the scene whose name was and will never be published, plus there was a French security guy (who was employed as a security in France’s largest nuclear facility, namely that cyclist who was killed) and they were both at the scene at the same time, at a scene in a pretty lonely place in “nowhere”.
Of course, we also know that Iran still holds a 10% share in nuclear company Eurodif who owns Areva who owns Cezus (where the French cyclist was employed). Eurodif became popular with another assasination when Georges Besse was killed in a pretty similar way in 1986. Officially he was killed by left wing activists, however, due to the investigation by the great journalist Dominique Lorentz the truth was in fact that he was killed by the Iran secret service because 10% shareholder Iran “wasn’t feeling to be treated well enough by Eurodif”.
Let’s add up everything:
Hicheur and al-Hilli both worked as collegues for RAL where they apparently worked for the top secret SILEX project that doesn’t officially exist at RAL. Later, Hicheur who now works for RAL at the CERN project), is apparently linked with Al-Qaida while we don’t know anything yet about any possibilities of al-Hillis links to any terror organisations. When Hicheur is sentenced to prison and released only 6 days later because of “good behaviour”, then at about the same time al-Hilli is getting nervous as his neighbours said. Last week, al-Hilli and his family are assassinated at a place where we also find a cyclist who is employed at Cezus (=Eurodif) plus we also find a RAF member at the same scene. Pure accident, isn’t it?
Another pure accident is that today they found dangerous devices in al-Hilli’s home that weren’t “such dangerous” in the end. Of course, the pretty good British police was in urgent need for help from the Royal Logistics Corps today. Usually British police doesn’t need a special military unit for support if they simply find some explosives. However, what did they find in al-Hillis garage? Bits of nuclear material? They’ll never tell us in public.
Let’s ask ourselves: Who would have a strong interest for SILEX device plans and who would have a strong interest for SILEX devices still staying top secret?
I am excited about the hafnium link. I think that we are very close now. A nuke of the size of a handgranate comparable to 150 kilotons tnt.
Besides of that, hicheur was the worlds top scientist regarding hafnium isotops. Search the web and you wont find any scientific work regarding hafnium isotops without a signature of our a.hicheur.
Besides of that, hafnium is produced of zirconium, and we have mollier working in the zirconium production.
And then we have sah who worked with hicheur in the rutherford labs over top secret science.
Here are some interesting hafnium links.
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/topics/device/mobile/t/43573624/hafnium-based-insulators-may-extend-moore-s-law.htm?m_n=true
http://defensetech.org/2006/06/13/superbomb-or-crapshoot/
http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200706/backpage.cfm
http://epubs.cclrc.ac.uk/search?st=&all=Y&q=Liverpool&mpp=25&so=yd&f=226
Thanks to the person who thought about hafnium. This definitely is the key for hicheur & co.
My guess is that ee are talking about a privately made nuke of the size of an egg with explosive nuclear power of 150 megatons tnt. How much power had the hiroshima nuke?
That mafe it now also clear why they said when they arrested hicheur that he had the knowledge and the material to create a bomb that could destroy a city of the size of london.
Sorry i made a typing error on my previous post. It should read 150 kilotons. Megatons is wrongly typed.
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/sailor-boy/jacktar/16312758/the-type-of-gun-used-in-the-al-hilli-killing-maybe/
Sources close to the investigation have disclosed that Saad al-Hilli, a British engineer, his wife, mother in law and a French cyclist, were shot with a Luger P08, a highly-distnctive weapon which was standard issue to the Swiss Army.
AFAIK, that is the closest to official confirmation that has come out yet. Note that this quote implies that a Swiss Army “Pistole 00” in calibre 7.65 x 21 Parabellum was used – that’s the calibre that the Swiss Army used – not the far more common Luger in 9 x 19 Para. Investigators have said from the start that it was 7.65 calibre, so that would fit.
Some people have earlier posted links suggesting that this gun was as common as sand and spare magazines for it easily available. Whilst that is true for the nine-millimetre version, it certainly isn’t for the 7.65 x 21 Swiss Army pistol. Getting hold of spare magazines for one of those would require a lot of time, money and effort.
I was checking the power of the hiroshima bomb. It had 13 kilotons tnt power. A privately made hafnium bomb of the size of an egg would have 150 kilotons tnt explosive power.
Of course you cannot use just the hafnium metal but you must have nuclear experience in laser isotope technology (like it is used for Silex) that hicheur definitely has. So then, was our new hicheur the whistleblower who saved londons existence?
@Peter
Some eyewitnesses heard gunfire, others (who really ought to have heard it) didn’t.
Yes… strange, isn’t it, that spontaneous un-rehearsed witnesses who were interviewed by eg the BBC while the story was still new, were quite clear they heard 30 seconds of automatic gunfire?
While the staged, wooden, blinking blinking ones who were wheeled out a week later didn’t mention hearing anything…
Makes one wonder if these they were really on the scene at all.
😀
Perhaps both are right: A “silencer” merely reduces the report, particularly if it is a home-made one, it doesn’t entirely eliminate it.
Erm, say what now? How could someone someone further away from the scene could hear “silenced” shots, while those closest to it did not hear anything?
Moreover, the impact of the bullets themselves is quite noisy, sounds like a carpet being beaten.
Good point. But then again, silenced shots don’t sound like “automatic gunfire” either, so that cannot account for the earlier eyewitness accounts.
I think you’ll have to come up with better theory if you want to explain why witnesses who were further away than RAFman and PD went on record as hearing 30 seconds of automatic gunfire, while RAFman and PD heard nothing.
Your current theory is full of holes.
7.65mm holes, to be precise!!
😀
@ felix
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/family-took-sudden-holiday-after-fathers-recent-trip-to-baghdad-8114018.html
His friend, who gave his name only as James, said he last spoke to Mr Al-Hilli – who lived with his wife Ikbal and daughters Zainab and Zeena – on Friday 24 August, when he called him asking if he wanted to meet for a coffee in Guildford, expecting him to be at work. “I phoned him but he told me he was at home and had taken two weeks off,” he said, adding that Mr Al-Hilli had made no mention until that point that he was planning to do so.
James Allen? James Northam? James Nicholas?
…………………………….
My money would be on James Barnett.
@Peter
Sources close to the investigation have disclosed…
Ah, those nameless “sources”, god bless em.
Sooooooo reliable.
Remember last week when the papers were saying it was most likely a Skorpion???
So are we at war the, or not?
I’ve stocked up on sugar and removed myself to my high tech bunker in the back garden just in case.
Re the luger silencer – these appear to be very rare?
(Repost to get around the auto-blocker… links removed)
I lazily asked last night about the CERN connection, now got off my behind and found a very interesting post on this thread back on Sept 10.
Some facts, links and names and a time tabel:
first google for the following names:
Adlene Hicheur
SILEX
RAL
Additional Link about RAL:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991NIMPB..56..521W
Both Hicheur and al-Hilli worked for RAL (Rutherford Appleton Laboratory) and apparently it is said and it was also published that they worked for SILEX experiments at RAL and that both of them knew how to use SILEX to create nuclear material for weapons, as they both apparently worked for the top secret SILEX experiments at RAL. Hicheur was even sent to CERN as a RAL representative. Al Hilli worked about a so called “particle acccelerator” at RAL (stands “particle accelerator” for a SILEX beamer ?).
It is apparent the Hicheur had all the plans and the know how for SILEX and that al-Hilli apparently had those plans, too.
Hicheur was imprisoned several years ago for apparent links to Al-Qaida and terror plans which he denied (google “Adlene Hicheur”).
On May 9th 2012, Hicheur was sentenced to 5 years in prison by French justice because of terror threats.
On May 15th 2012, only 6 days later, Hicheur was going free because of “good behaviour”. Was that good behaviour that he did unite with the French authorities and apparently told them about who else had the SILEX know how and experience?
http://aseerun.org/2012/05/17/brother-adlene-hicheur-is-free/
On May 21st, only 6 days later, German and French nuclear scientist warned in press releases about terrorists and “criminal” countries about perhaps getting access to top secret SILEX devices.
It is said by eye witnesses, that al-Hilli became nervous at about the time right after his former collegue at RAL, with whom he worked (for SILEX research?), Mr. Hicheur was going to be released from jail because of his “6 days good behaviour” (whatever could also mean: “good cooperation with French secret services”).
There is no doubt that Al-Hilli had a meetiung with somebody at the lonely parking lot in Annecy mountains, a very lonely and secluded environment. People living there said when being interviewed, that this is NOT AN area where tourists are usually going because there is nothing to see nor anything to do nor to walk at the end of that street. One of the local abutters said, that they had never seen any tourist families with children driving up that road because this is no place for children for walking nor for doing anything else there.
Apparently Mr. Al-Hilli had a meeting there. Did he try to sell the plans of still top secret SILEX parts, plans, devices to somebody? Or else, did he try to purchase zirconium or something else for his perhaps small and private SILEX accelerator device?
Of course it is just an accident that there was als a RAF guy at the scene whose name was and will never be published, plus there was a French security guy (who was employed as a security in France’s largest nuclear facility, namely that cyclist who was killed) and they were both at the scene at the same time, at a scene in a pretty lonely place in “nowhere”.
Of course, we also know that Iran still holds a 10% share in nuclear company Eurodif who owns Areva who owns Cezus (where the French cyclist was employed). Eurodif became popular with another assasination when Georges Besse was killed in a pretty similar way in 1986. Officially he was killed by left wing activists, however, due to the investigation by the great journalist Dominique Lorentz the truth was in fact that he was killed by the Iran secret service because 10% shareholder Iran “wasn’t feeling to be treated well enough by Eurodif”.
Let’s add up everything:
Hicheur and al-Hilli both worked as collegues for RAL where they apparently worked for the top secret SILEX project that doesn’t officially exist at RAL. Later, Hicheur who now works for RAL at the CERN project), is apparently linked with Al-Qaida while we don’t know anything yet about any possibilities of al-Hillis links to any terror organisations. When Hicheur is sentenced to prison and released only 6 days later because of “good behaviour”, then at about the same time al-Hilli is getting nervous as his neighbours said. Last week, al-Hilli and his family are assassinated at a place where we also find a cyclist who is employed at Cezus (=Eurodif) plus we also find a RAF member at the same scene. Pure accident, isn’t it?
Another pure accident is that today they found dangerous devices in al-Hilli’s home that weren’t “such dangerous” in the end. Of course, the pretty good British police was in urgent need for help from the Royal Logistics Corps today. Usually British police doesn’t need a special military unit for support if they simply find some explosives. However, what did they find in al-Hillis garage? Bits of nuclear material? They’ll never tell us in public.
Let’s ask ourselves: Who would have a strong interest for SILEX device plans and who would have a strong interest for SILEX devices still staying top secret?
Grogrogri
10 Sep, 2012 – 7:54 pm
I lazily asked last night about the CERN connection, now got off my behind and found a very interesting post on this thread back on Sept 10.
Some facts, links and names and a time tabel:
first google for the following names:
Adlene Hicheur
SILEX
RAL
Both Hicheur and al-Hilli worked for RAL (Rutherford Appleton Laboratory) and apparently it is said and it was also published that they worked for SILEX experiments at RAL and that both of them knew how to use SILEX to create nuclear material for weapons, as they both apparently worked for the top secret SILEX experiments at RAL. Hicheur was even sent to CERN as a RAL representative. Al Hilli worked about a so called “particle acccelerator” at RAL (stands “particle accelerator” for a SILEX beamer ?).
It is apparent the Hicheur had all the plans and the know how for SILEX and that al-Hilli apparently had those plans, too.
Hicheur was imprisoned several years ago for apparent links to Al-Qaida and terror plans which he denied (google “Adlene Hicheur”).
On May 9th 2012, Hicheur was sentenced to 5 years in prison by French justice because of terror threats.
On May 15th 2012, only 6 days later, Hicheur was going free because of “good behaviour”. Was that good behaviour that he did unite with the French authorities and apparently told them about who else had the SILEX know how and experience?
http://aseerun.org/2012/05/17/brother-adlene-hicheur-is-free/
On May 21st, only 6 days later, German and French nuclear scientist warned in press releases about terrorists and “criminal” countries about perhaps getting access to top secret SILEX devices.
It is said by eye witnesses, that al-Hilli became nervous at about the time right after his former collegue at RAL, with whom he worked (for SILEX research?), Mr. Hicheur was going to be released from jail because of his “6 days good behaviour” (whatever could also mean: “good cooperation with French secret services”).
There is no doubt that Al-Hilli had a meetiung with somebody at the lonely parking lot in Annecy mountains, a very lonely and secluded environment. People living there said when being interviewed, that this is NOT AN area where tourists are usually going because there is nothing to see nor anything to do nor to walk at the end of that street. One of the local abutters said, that they had never seen any tourist families with children driving up that road because this is no place for children for walking nor for doing anything else there.
Apparently Mr. Al-Hilli had a meeting there. Did he try to sell the plans of still top secret SILEX parts, plans, devices to somebody? Or else, did he try to purchase zirconium or something else for his perhaps small and private SILEX accelerator device?
Of course it is just an accident that there was als a RAF guy at the scene whose name was and will never be published, plus there was a French security guy (who was employed as a security in France’s largest nuclear facility, namely that cyclist who was killed) and they were both at the scene at the same time, at a scene in a pretty lonely place in “nowhere”.
Of course, we also know that Iran still holds a 10% share in nuclear company Eurodif who owns Areva who owns Cezus (where the French cyclist was employed). Eurodif became popular with another assasination when Georges Besse was killed in a pretty similar way in 1986. Officially he was killed by left wing activists, however, due to the investigation by the great journalist Dominique Lorentz the truth was in fact that he was killed by the Iran secret service because 10% shareholder Iran “wasn’t feeling to be treated well enough by Eurodif”.
Let’s add up everything:
Hicheur and al-Hilli both worked as collegues for RAL where they apparently worked for the top secret SILEX project that doesn’t officially exist at RAL. Later, Hicheur who now works for RAL at the CERN project), is apparently linked with Al-Qaida while we don’t know anything yet about any possibilities of al-Hillis links to any terror organisations. When Hicheur is sentenced to prison and released only 6 days later because of “good behaviour”, then at about the same time al-Hilli is getting nervous as his neighbours said. Last week, al-Hilli and his family are assassinated at a place where we also find a cyclist who is employed at Cezus (=Eurodif) plus we also find a RAF member at the same scene. Pure accident, isn’t it?
Another pure accident is that today they found dangerous devices in al-Hilli’s home that weren’t “such dangerous” in the end. Of course, the pretty good British police was in urgent need for help from the Royal Logistics Corps today. Usually British police doesn’t need a special military unit for support if they simply find some explosives. However, what did they find in al-Hillis garage? Bits of nuclear material? They’ll never tell us in public.
Let’s ask ourselves: Who would have a strong interest for SILEX device plans and who would have a strong interest for SILEX devices still staying top secret?
Grogrogri
10 Sep, 2012 – 7:54 pm
Your current theory is full of holes.
Yep. But then again, single shots without a silencer don’t sound like “automatic gunfire,” either. So these witnesses were probably talking through their hats. To my mind, the HARD FACT that Mollier stopped at the scene rather than taking flight is compelling evidence that whatever noise the gun made didn’t sound like typical gunshots to him. Or would you stop to investigate while a shootout was taking place?
@peter
The use of a silencer also explains why Mr Mollier appeared on the scene. If he had heard the sound of sustained gunfire, he would hardly have stopped to investigate, would he? He would have turned around and sped off before even reaching the murder scene. As it was, he probably failed to understand what was going on there until it was too late.
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Not really. First of all,mollier had eyes as well. I checked the areal photo of that scene. Tha last 200 meters are flat and easily visible. The street is straight for tha last 120 meters. He must have seen the shooting if he wrre an accident witness.
However, if our accident witness was a very brave gu then he perhaps would have tried to wrestle the killer down although that liller had a gun. However, in that unlikely case, the killer would have shot him at least 50 to 25 meters before he arrived, simply because the killer had definitely no intention to wrestle with such a brave guy if he eere brave enough to attack a fully weaponed killer.
Sylvain right in front of that car as an accident witness is therefore completely unlogic.
A bit about the Pharmacy of Claire Schutz, Le Dauphine Oct 6 2011…
Schutz-Morange partnership with capital of 1,150,000 euros
whose registered office is 73 rue Joseph Martin, Grignon (73200)went into voluntary liquiation,Oct 1 2011.
Liquidators: M. et Mme Thierry Schutz of 255 chemin des Blâches, Grignon. SCHUTZ PHARMACY MORANGE SNC is registered with Companies House under number Chambery 445,282,585, for a price of 1.401 million euros, with enjoyment of October 1, 2011. (google translate)
http://www.ledauphine.com/fr/images/getnc.aspx?iMedia=45927875
I can’t quite understand enough French to see what happened to the company…
A cousin of Mr Al-Hilli, who was contacted in Baghdad but refused to be identified, said: ‘If you investigate and find out about Saad’s job, you will know who’s behind his killing.’
The above quote stook with me from yesterdays article in the Mail?, I spent a lot of time looking at SSTl last night – who they dealt with and what they have done, they have definatley become a very big player over the last 5 years with their network of small spy/photographic satellites and shared launches with the Likes of Tehran and QinetiQ. They have just developed a new – NovaSAR-S Synthetic Aperture Radar that can see through any weather conditions or natural barrier like forestry. They have received hefty Government investment and have worked with China, Nigeria and other countries.
Could this be something to do with seeing a build up of troops in Israel? seen something he shouldnt have?
Or did he have another role top play as a double agent or was this a sting operation which is a well used tactic in Mi6 and Mi5.
This is politically motivated crime!
I checked the areal photo of that scene. Tha last 200 meters are flat and easily visible. The street is straight for tha last 120 meters. He must have seen the shooting if he wrre an accident witness.
You are right that the road is straight. However, if he approached going uphill, the BMW would have been hidden from his view by that berm to the left of the BMW.
@Peter
But then again, single shots without a silencer don’t sound like “automatic gunfire,” either.
Wrong: rapid repeat firing by an automatic, or by two people firing two automatics, could sound exactly like automatic fire.
The video of the witness on the BBC says it sounded like “pah pah pah pah pah”. This would fit perfectly with a pair of automatic pistols.
So these witnesses were probably talking through their hats.
No Peter, that’s you who’s talking through his hat! You blithely claim they must all be lying, without presenting a single shred of evidence why we should believe you.
To my mind, the HARD FACT that Mollier stopped at the scene rather than taking flight is compelling evidence that whatever noise the gun made didn’t sound like typical gunshots to him.
Say what now? You are assuming Mollier (the shot cyclist) approached the scene while the shooting was going on, or just after. Why? Maybe he was there when the shooting started!
Right now, it’s just RAFman who didn’t hear the shooting when he should have. PD has a good reason not to hear it as he’s further away, and in a car with the engine going. And Mollier could well have been there when it all kicked off.
Silencer = fabrication.
RAFman = fabrication.
http://i2.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article1323468.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Police+around+the+BMW+at+scene+of+shooting+in+woods+near+Chevaline+in+the+French+Alps
Here we go. The BMW was positioned well back from the road and, to somebody coming from the left, obscured both by that berm and by trees. Mollier would have heard strange noises (the running engine, the thud of the bullets hitting the car, perhaps the screams of the victims), but probably not sustained gunfire that he could identify as such.