My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Ferret
The fact is that energy release (without splitting atoms) has always been observed to occur at the same rate in isomers. Many things depend upon this.
I’ve lurked on here for months and barely recognise any of the posters recently.
Anyway, did anyone else think it was odd that RAF-man had never seen a dead body before this incident?
Also, the young girl’s bullet wound would make sense if she was being held aloft by a potential kidnapper, outside of the car demanding something in return, then shot accidentally by a sniper in the woods who was trying to hit the kidnapper.
The imagination runs wild.http://www.damninteresting.com/half-science-and-hafnium-bombs/ Those of us who have worked in High energy particle physics
know the game .For some unscrupulous physicists its a way of getting funding,sadly there is a lot of it about.How about a limited diameter black hole bomb
you could suck in a whole city or country and deposit it in another dimension.Way back in the 1960`s we discussed how to go about building one over coffee when I was at
the Rutherford Lab.
Does no one think it is suspicous that Hicheurs target was very close to Annecy? also it was quoted at the time that Hicheur had a way of blowing up a town the size of London? could this be the Hafnium Bomb?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/08/the-red-isomer/
Another article regarding the hafnium bomb from 2008 Yes the russians and the chinese are also experimenting.
Perhaps it was also a matter of money. One ounce 178HFm2 is traded for 28 billion US$ in the world market according to sources in the nuclear market. Perhaps somebody tried to sell a few gramms? Lots of cash involved, wouldnt it?
Looks like les flics and the msm are beginning to try to keep up!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9547495/French-police-cyclist-may-have-been-target-of-Annecy-slaughter.html
@bluebird
Half-life 68 microseconds??
@ricki tarr
Ricki Tarr17 Sep, 2012 – 1:31 pmDoes no one think it is suspicous that Hicheurs target was very close to Annecy? also it was quoted at the time that Hicheur had a way of blowing up a town the size of London? could this be the Hafnium Bomb?
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Yes i agree that this could have been a hafnium weapon. However, the prosecutors mentioned london as well. Why not paris? Hicheur was working closeby in geneve for cern and he was living in annecy where he also worked for LAPP.
His parents were living in lyon where the french al qaida branch has its organisation according to french investigators. is father was said of being a very anti-western islamistic ideologist.
Questions were raised previously about the seemingly early timing of Mollier’s partner’s initial contact with the police. If this was the case might he have told her to contact the police if he was not back by a certain time?
Does this suggest that he may have been acting under coercion, and/or under absolute secrecy imposed by others, rather than voluntarily doing something illegal, perhaps for gain?
If there was an assignation is it more likely, as the local, that he would have suggested the place – thus allowing time to get there and back and a short period for the interaction/transaction?
What transpired suggests that the arrangements were compromised either because communications were intercepted, and/or either party was followed on the day; or there was a leak from those with advance knowledge (who may have set up the assignation via either of the murdered men) to others unknown who carried out the murders.
The crux of the matter, for me, is that horrendous crimes was committed and the person or persons who are guilty of those crimes remain at large. These crimes include the killing of four defenceless people, including an elderly lady, and the shooting of a seven-year old child who was beaten so hard about the head that her skull was fractured.
Idle speculation about the involvement of government agencies is all very well – it’s where I believe responsibility probably does rest – but if governments can kill people with impunity and due process be set aside for whatever reason, then we are all potentially victims. And no one may be the wiser.
@felix
Half life of 178hf m2 is actually 31 years. That is very good because the usual half life of other isomers is usually microseconds and therefore they are useless.
The problem so far was how to trigger the stored energy. Usually thats the same problem what they have had with the first nukes.
However, after 10 years of military research they might have solved that problem already
@Ferret
Mind you, people said that about Cold Fusion which got rubbished in the press, but that didn’t stop the results being reproduced over and over again, with I think over 80 peer reviewed papers supporting it.
This I agree with ,In fact the big oil companies have patents on Lenr.The technology is so simple ,take some nickel powder ,which is a hydrogen getter ie it absorbs hydrogen
and then heat the whole thing up by passing a Ac current through the nickel.and you will
find you have more energy liberated in the form of heat than put in to trigger the process.Of course its more complicated as you need heat exchangers an electronic control.
@CD 17 Sep, 2012 – 1:46 pm, I think you’ve got it one. My gut feeling ever since this thing kicked off. Question then is who betrayed whom?
@bluebird.
Wiki M2 isomer – 68musec. M3 isomer 31 years. A blog gives M2 31 years. error there somewhere….@Dave Lawton – disambiguation please? [I’m not a rocket scientist..]
I can’t get the smell of burning rubber out of my nostrils.
Unpublished(?) photos at Corbis….
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-36434515/french-murder-of-british-family-under-investigation?popup=1
and also 36434524…..is this really where a car was screeching in reverse according to BM??? I don’t buy it at all. Remember first reports just said “engine running”.
@CD
So why did SAH take along children, wife and dual passport carrying granny (in whose murder the Swedes seem not the slightest bit interested)? Cover/Protection? Al-H didn’t seem shy of coming and going alone from the camp-site (allegedly)
Oh look, it’s all over GBP 4 million….(not)
French prosecutor Eric Maillaud said a Swiss bank account had been traced plus foreign properties with a total value of up to £4million.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-saad-al-hilli-1327288
So handy for Switzerland….
The only reason for the family to be there is that Al-Hilli trusted the other party or that they where going to provide safe passage for them somewhere! (maybe reason for passports).
Felix, that’s more dis-information, the inheritance is not the motive in my view. The source of the money for the properties maybe. How did the father get money out of Iraq or was this money earned elsewhere…= payments ?
@Bluebird
The problem so far was how to trigger the stored energy. Usually thats the same problem what they have had with the first nukes. However, after 10 years of military research they might have solved that problem already.
… and might it have something to do with lasers/SILEX/SAH???
@Felix
Remember first reports just said “engine running”.
Yes, that’s what was reported.
Also bear in mind Brett Martin DIDN’T say “as I rounded the bend, I heard this unearthly tyre-screeching sound, and a car revving wildly, and I wondered what the **** was going on”… or words to that effect. Didn’t hear shots either. Maybe he is deaf. Or just wooden.
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@Dave Lawton
The other thing about cold fusion is that it produces, so far as I’m aware, a nuclear reaction at one of the electrodes.
Hope I don’t lose anyone technically here, but for example if you’re electrolysing say a solution of a Potassium salt, you end up with a small amount of Calcium, which is one step away in the periodic table so you have to have added a proton to get there.
According to the current laws of physics, this is impossible. Yet it happens, repeatably.
Just 65 years ago experts were saying
“This is the biggest fool thing we have ever done. The (atom) bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives.”
As promised, HARD DATA™ re “What does Brett Martin do with his time?”
I have no idea what other sources of income Brett Martin has, but his company Silver Fern (Sussex) Ltd doesn’t seem to produce any income, which is puzzling.
Silver Fern (Sussex) Ltd (company number 05708870) was founded on 14.02.2006 with William Brett Martin as the sole Director. His wife, Theresa Valerie Martin was appointed as a Director three years later on 08.03.2009.
The Company Secretary (a formal, and now optional function) was and remains GC Secretarial Services Ltd (aka Gabriel Consulting).
The company’s registered address was and remains that of the Company Secretary, the ubiquitous 55 Princes Gate address.
The most recent accounts filed at Companies House are completed to 28.02.2011.
They show that the Martins have sunk £640,000 into the company, and that the company has an accumulated deficit (loss) of just under £60,000.
It has made a loss every year apart from the most recent, when it made a very modest profit of just over £10,000.
It owns £370,000 worth of fixed assets, quite possibly property/properties.
No salaries have been drawn at any point.
Until the final year of operation, it’s activities were always described on the annual accounts as “Futures & Options Broking & Trading”.
In the most recent year’s accounts, this was updated to “Futures & Options Broking & Trading, Flight Simulation Training, and Property Investment”.
For anyone who doesn’t know, futures and options trading is a highly risky business. With normal stocks and shares you pay for the full face value of the share so if the value goes up by 10%, you make a 10% profit, but if the value of the share drops by 10% you make a 10% loss.
With futures and options you pay just 10% of the face value of the future/option, so if the future is worth £10 you can pay just £1 and the future is yours.
So… if the future goes up 10% you double your money, but if it falls 10% your investment is wiped out.
I’m not an expert but to my mind, it’s unusual (to say the least) for a beginner investor to pick futures/options as their first commercial foray into the market.
Of course, he may have dabbled before, or even taken training – but to risk £600,000 as a non-pro seems a bit odd.
The other question it raises is, of course, where did the £600,000 come from?
One final thing, his wife’s occupation is listed as “Airline Purser” so perhaps their was a cabin romance?
Perhaps they could get by on her salary, and his pension from the RAF/Airline? And perhaps the £600,000 was an inheritance? Who knows.
But it’s not your common-or-garden company, that’s for sure.
@felix – re:
So why did SAH take along children, wife and dual passport carrying granny (in whose murder the Swedes seem not the slightest bit interested)? Cover/Protection? Al-H didn’t seem shy of coming and going alone from the camp-site (allegedly)
I cannot think of a standout answer to that one. Unless he had become so fearful for his / their safety that he was worried about leaving them alone or he thought the rendezvous was part of an extraction to get them all to safety. Or his plan was to handover / receive / exchange whatever the purpose of the rendezvous was and then make an immediate getaway to a safe place with the whole family. Taking the elderly MIL away on an unplanned caravanning trip also seems odd.
I am convinced that Al-Hilli and Mollier had an arranged meeting to exchange something and that it was the arrival of Mollier that the killers were waiting for before striking. Why else would they have left the Al-Hilli’s be for around an hour when nobody else was around but then wait until there was a convoy of cyclists and hikers approaching before striking? Kill team instructed to ensure Al-Hilli and Mollier dead and recovery of whatever was being exchanged. Al-Hilli showing up with the wife, MIL and kids was probably not expected and may well have prevented the whole thing from being buried. If Brett was more than an innocent passerby expecting to have a simple function to perform at the scene but then found a gravely injured young girl humanity may have kicked in …
The charade now being played out is fascinating. MSM clearly know they are being spun a yarn but how far are they prepared to push it? They certainly haven’t managed to get anything reportable from UK SIS beyond the initial ‘we cannot comment on Al-Hilli because he has not yet been formally identified as a victim.’
Felix, i dont know where you did collect that information but it is definitely wrong. Half time of 178 m2 hafnium is definitely 31 years.
Ferret;
The production of the 178m2hafnium isomers is definitely done by a technology like particle accelerators or silex laser beam technologies.
However, having got some 178m2HF doesnt make you the bomb. Remember, 178m2HF costs 28 (american) billion US$ per ounce. Even if you would be able to transform HF into 178m2HF isomers then you would get very rich indeed if you found somebody who would like to purchase a few gramms only.
Triggering that material, however, is another issue. Carl Collins did it in his experiment by using a dentist xray device. Thats odd, but it worked according to collins.
Perhaps after 15 years they have found a different trigger. Perhaps laserbeams or a chemical reaction. If i knew about that anything more than what we can read, then i would be either very rich or rather killed like mr. SAH was killed.
@Guy_Fawkes2010
That quote was from over 67 years ago (65 years ago the bomb had been used) and was from Admiral William Leahy, not a scientist.
@Fiona just pointing out that experts (in this case an explosives expert) can be incorrect, based on the extent of their knowledge.
The problem with hafnium is that although the explosive or more precisely energy source is small all the gubbings to trigger it are not. Collins (if his experiment actually worked) only managed to produce energy at a greater rate than expected. It was not a weapon unless you strapped someone to the output of the x-ray machine and radiated them to death. Even there the x-ray machine would provide the fatal dose not the hafnium.
@Guy_Fawkes2010That quote was from over 67 years ago (65 years ago the bomb had been used) and was from Admiral William Leahy, not a scientist.
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The german nazis had the nuke long before the war was over; however, they were unable to trigger their bomb. Now if somebody would have the knowledge how to trigger a new weapon of mass destruction, he could easily blackmail governments and other interest groups by threatening them to sell his knowledge and plans to those who offer most or who are the mpst beloved ones.
Did somebody mention Dentist ?
Fiona, collins did experiment in the early 1990tees. Just compare PC developement or the developement of the internet since 1995. Thats a long time. The us military did invest $ 30 million in science regarding hafnium weapons per year.
Even then if they did not find the trigger yet, i am pretty sure that tofay they have better devices than carl collins’ dentist xray had been.
You may have already picked up this link:
http://caugvalence.blogspot.ie/2006_11_01_archive.html
(search for “Mollier”). If it is the same person then it shows that he was political.
The town of Valence is about 2 hours away – which is close in terms of France.
Not of itself damning, but may add to the picture.
@Guy_Fawkes2010
Yes experts can be wrong of course but he was not an expert in nuclear weapons was he? Conventional explosives experts would know virtually nothing about nuclear explosives – indeed their experience would tend to make them disbelieve you could get such a yield from such a small amount of explosive as the mechanism is totally different. However I agree there could be some brilliant scientist out there who has solved the hafnium problem … it is just it is not very likely. Most advances today are pretty collaborative.
The potential of hafnium is only that great if you can get all or most of the energy released at once. Collins only said he released the energy at more than the natural rate. If a bomb was made would it be any better than a conventional nuclear bomb which apparently can be fitted in a suitcase – I am sure a hafnium bomb would be larger. Hafnium is more expensive than obtaining ex-Soviet uranium or plutonium as well. Hafnium bombs are radioactive and would irradiate the area afterwards too. So the only people that want such a bomb in preference to a fission one would be to get round treaties on developing new fission nuclear weapons. Hafnium bombs are not covered by existing treaties. That is why the US is spending money on hafnium research and I am sure Russian and China too.