My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Watcher I must have missed that comment earlier on the thread. But checking the Twitter timeline of reports of the fire, they started in the 15:50 time frame, mind you that would mean it was an hour post the shootings, as the twitter reports were in BST. I suppose the timings for the shootings were CET therefore an hour ahead.
@Mark, this was already posted on here previously.
Ironic huh? Hit in a little town which shares it’s name with a Polaris project
@GuyF (prepares to be shot down in flames as pure speculation) If this alert diverted a specialist team to a location 200km’s away from Chevaline then this could go some way to explain the 8 hour wait to find the 4yr old girl.
Seal off crime scene, wait for Hazchem suited geiger operators to declare safe
@Watcher
This whole case seems laden with irony! Maybe it is a piece of performance art.
They certainly sent Mollier off to his ‘temporary’ grave in style, with a Gendarmes escort no less !
http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2012/09/17/french-victim-of-alps-shooting-buried-in-home-village
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Yes and Mossad buried fatso at the Mount of Olives! 😉
Game set and match, methinks! 😉 🙂
Yes Anders & that was another death not fully reported .
@Fiona, it is quite the performance, although we seem to be the few left in the audience expecting another act or epilogue
Fiona a neutron bomb will make the environment useless for the next 1000 generations.
Also the neutron bomb has a power of only 1 kiloton and cannot destroy military equipment but life only. It is tactically and politically useless.
Mininukes exist, too. But their power is max 5 kilotons. Hafnium bombs, however, have power of 1 kiloton tnt per gramm !!!
And hafnium bombs will prepare a rather clean and save environment for troops.
Ideal for military but bad for the hit population. And of course a nightmare when falling in the hands of criminals or terrorists.
We dont know how the trigger works nowadays (if they found a trigger). However this wont be a dentist’s xray doing that job. Perhaps laser technology or microwaves or some kind of chemical reaction might do tge trigger job as well. Who knows? Certainly not me, and quite hobestly, i dont wanna know this.
This is new, I haven’t seen anywhere else the possibility of a bump with another vehicle :
“Investigators are intrigued by key facts about the car, including that it had a flat rear tyre, dents on its lower bodywork, and that it was locked. A source close to the inquiry said:
“If they can establish that the car had contact with another vehicle, then this will be hugely significant.
“The killers may have also left vital evidence on the car which only experienced forensics experts would be able to find.”
http://www.anorak.co.uk/333272/news/lake-annecy-murders-ex-raf-pilot-brett-martin-says-what-he-saw.html/
Considering the nature of what Surrey atellites does, who it does it for, who it sells what it does TO, and who’s just bought it, I have a feeling that it is this element which may have more significance than any bomb theories.
Press have played down this company in many cases. Describing it as a small satellite company, when its far from that. Even when it WAS still small it was moving in very high falutin circles.
@GuyF my 5.17pm comment re fire has passed moderation..
Sound plausible?
@Watcher …an interesting theory that
1000 generations. I think not. Fiction has exaggerated the radioactivity fallout from nuclear weapons. Remember some residents who were not in the towns of Nagasaki and Hiroshima returned afterwards and the returnees do not have the massive increase in sickness and cancers that those who were present had. Obviously a terrible number did suffer but not nearly to the extent of the those present. As for the idea of making the environment unlivable would require lots of really dirty bombs exploding on the ground and throwing up fallout. I know neutron bombs are quite dirty but not that dirty.
Does anyone know or has it been confirmed that the Al-Hillis where parked there for an hour or did they end up in the Car Park?
Interesting search result:
Carl Collins himself has a weighty reputation. A decade earlier than his experiment with hafnium energy the Texas Academy of Sciences had named him “Distinguished Texas Scientist” of the year for his research on high-energy lasers.
Does that ring a bell?
Perhaps the xray trigger is an official fake while the laser is in fact the trigger. Who else was experimenting in laser technology? SAH?
Also the german scientist who said that collins theory is physically impossible had warned at the very same time that it would be a threat to security if that technology would fall into the hands of enemies and criminal countries. So wtf! If it doesnt work, why then would it be dangerous if criminal governments would get a hand on that technology?
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dod/jason/he.pdf
High Energy Density Explosives (JASON, Oct 97).
Section 4 (page 12)
Energeric Materials From RA Diosotpe Reactions.
Wonder if CERN and LAPP found that trigger ?
@blue tit
SILEX is an acronym for Separation of Isotopes by Laser Excitation, a technology developed in the …
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My hunch is lasers, look at the SILEX links on this thread (big wink) ! 😉
@Fiona
This not relevant. It only requires people to believe hafnium weapons are possible and that they are “incredible” not that they actually exist to go to almost any length to obtain them. Remember the “Star Wars” program only ever managed to shoot down specially black or red painted missiles as shiny silver ones just reflected the laser. Yet there were espionage cases connected with getting the “secrets” of the fairly useless program.
@Vermillion
I am sure Star Wars gave us much better laser pointers so not useless.
Sorry to divert again – but Kara Owen, along with Peter Ricketts was in the thick of the outing of Dr David Kelly:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090128221550/http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/cab/cab_1_0091.pdf
Safe pair of hands there…
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Yes, and Hutton presided over the secret star chamber Diplock stitch up “courts” in Northen Ireland! 😉
They are soooo sodding predictable! 🙂
If there is ever an inquiry into this fairytale, Hutton or a doppelgänger clone (there are THOUSANDS of them) would preside over it to bury everything! 😉
These ancient Aton worshipping lizards do like their inbred RITUALS 🙂
Soooooo…
plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose… 😉
BACK TO BASICS(tm)
Courtesy ace sleuth ferret:)
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(Repost to get around the auto-blocker… links removed)
I lazily asked last night about the CERN connection, now got off my behind and found a very interesting post on this thread back on Sept 10.
Some facts, links and names and a time tabel:
first google for the following names:
Adlene Hicheur
SILEX
RAL
Additional Link about RAL:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1991NIMPB..56..521W
Both Hicheur and al-Hilli worked for RAL (Rutherford Appleton Laboratory) and apparently it is said and it was also published that they worked for SILEX experiments at RAL and that both of them knew how to use SILEX to create nuclear material for weapons, as they both apparently worked for the top secret SILEX experiments at RAL. Hicheur was even sent to CERN as a RAL representative. Al Hilli worked about a so called “particle acccelerator” at RAL (stands “particle accelerator” for a SILEX beamer ?).
It is apparent the Hicheur had all the plans and the know how for SILEX and that al-Hilli apparently had those plans, too.
Hicheur was imprisoned several years ago for apparent links to Al-Qaida and terror plans which he denied (google “Adlene Hicheur”).
On May 9th 2012, Hicheur was sentenced to 5 years in prison by French justice because of terror threats.
On May 15th 2012, only 6 days later, Hicheur was going free because of “good behaviour”. Was that good behaviour that he did unite with the French authorities and apparently told them about who else had the SILEX know how and experience?
http://aseerun.org/2012/05/17/brother-adlene-hicheur-is-free/
On May 21st, only 6 days later, German and French nuclear scientist warned in press releases about terrorists and “criminal” countries about perhaps getting access to top secret SILEX devices.
It is said by eye witnesses, that al-Hilli became nervous at about the time right after his former collegue at RAL, with whom he worked (for SILEX research?), Mr. Hicheur was going to be released from jail because of his “6 days good behaviour” (whatever could also mean: “good cooperation with French secret services”).
There is no doubt that Al-Hilli had a meetiung with somebody at the lonely parking lot in Annecy mountains, a very lonely and secluded environment. People living there said when being interviewed, that this is NOT AN area where tourists are usually going because there is nothing to see nor anything to do nor to walk at the end of that street. One of the local abutters said, that they had never seen any tourist families with children driving up that road because this is no place for children for walking nor for doing anything else there.
Apparently Mr. Al-Hilli had a meeting there. Did he try to sell the plans of still top secret SILEX parts, plans, devices to somebody? Or else, did he try to purchase zirconium or something else for his perhaps small and private SILEX accelerator device?
Of course it is just an accident that there was als a RAF guy at the scene whose name was and will never be published, plus there was a French security guy (who was employed as a security in France’s largest nuclear facility, namely that cyclist who was killed) and they were both at the scene at the same time, at a scene in a pretty lonely place in “nowhere”.
Of course, we also know that Iran still holds a 10% share in nuclear company Eurodif who owns Areva who owns Cezus (where the French cyclist was employed). Eurodif became popular with another assasination when Georges Besse was killed in a pretty similar way in 1986. Officially he was killed by left wing activists, however, due to the investigation by the great journalist Dominique Lorentz the truth was in fact that he was killed by the Iran secret service because 10% shareholder Iran “wasn’t feeling to be treated well enough by Eurodif”.
Let’s add up everything:
Hicheur and al-Hilli both worked as collegues for RAL where they apparently worked for the top secret SILEX project that doesn’t officially exist at RAL. Later, Hicheur who now works for RAL at the CERN project), is apparently linked with Al-Qaida while we don’t know anything yet about any possibilities of al-Hillis links to any terror organisations. When Hicheur is sentenced to prison and released only 6 days later because of “good behaviour”, then at about the same time al-Hilli is getting nervous as his neighbours said. Last week, al-Hilli and his family are assassinated at a place where we also find a cyclist who is employed at Cezus (=Eurodif) plus we also find a RAF member at the same scene. Pure accident, isn’t it?
Another pure accident is that today they found dangerous devices in al-Hilli’s home that weren’t “such dangerous” in the end. Of course, the pretty good British police was in urgent need for help from the Royal Logistics Corps today. Usually British police doesn’t need a special military unit for support if they simply find some explosives. However, what did they find in al-Hillis garage? Bits of nuclear material? They’ll never tell us in public.
Let’s ask ourselves: Who would have a strong interest for SILEX device plans and who would have a strong interest for SILEX devices still staying top secret?
Your current theory is full of holes.
Yep. But then again, single shots without a silencer don’t sound like “automatic gunfire,” either. So these witnesses were probably talking through their hats. To my mind, the HARD FACT that Mollier stopped at the scene rather than taking flight is compelling evidence that whatever noise the gun made didn’t sound like typical gunshots to him. Or would you stop to investigate while a shootout was taking place?
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Peter your dissembling has more holes than the victims. 🙂
I wonder ….!
Dr Kelly. Whistleblower. And the resulting “WMD” Invasion.
Further back, Operation “Opera”. (1981) A “first strike” production !
And now SILEX…
What if Mollier wasn’t selling a secret, but knew a secret.
The cry goes “Iran has SILEX”.
But in reality of course they don’t.
….and the current “threats” along with the current build up in The Gulf just needs a “cry” like that.
Fire away..and shoot me down.
What is SILEX….
“Technical steps to support
nuclear arsenal downsizing” – that its
Panel on Public Affairs issued in Feb –
ruary. The group put particular em –
phasis on the separation of isotopes
by laser excitation (SILEX), which,
the petition states, “is both 75% smal –
ler and substantially more energy ef –
ficient than centrifuge technology”.
In that carpark…on that day, who worked with SILEX ????
“German nuclear weapons expert Hans Rühle warned in the daily Die Welt May 21 that Iran can enrich uranium using laser technology that is much harder to detect than centrifuges”
And there…is the start !
@ Katie
Those factoids are from this article
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4536506/Diana-cops-to-investigate-Alps-massacre-car.html
Thus, they are not so new – but still I had already forgotten about those assertions, which, if true, add yet more mystery to the story. Perhaps the killer tried to immobilize the al-Hilli’s stationary car in order to prevent their escape, perhaps they had been involved in a minor accident and merely pulled into this parking lot in order to sort it out when the other party went postal, perhaps they were forced to pull into this parking lot by somebody who attempted to push their car off the road …
@ peter
Thus, they are not so new – but still I had already forgotten about those assertions, which, if true, add yet more mystery to the story. Perhaps the killer tried to immobilize the al-Hilli’s stationary car in order to prevent their escape, perhaps they had been involved in a minor accident and merely pulled into this parking lot in order to sort it out when the other party went postal, perhaps they were forced to pull into this parking lot by somebody who attempted to push their car off the road
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Could be. Without seeing the rear end and the driver’s side of the car we won’t know.
The road does actually end for cars at that carpark, so they would have to stop and turn there regardless.
Does that mean you don’t buy into the bomb theory either Anders?
Just nicked this from a post on websleuths
“Also it appeared from witness accounts he had been seen pumping up the rear tyre on previous occasions -why had he not changed the tyre or else taken the car to the garage and had it repaired or bought a new one”
I’ve never seen any reports about him pumping up the rear tyre on previous occasions. Do we even know for sure the rear tyre was flat? The tyre we can see just looks buried in bumf to me.
Geddit?
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Yep. Geddit. Gottit. Good.