My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
And I can say it’s not as easy as ppl think to fire that many rounds (and into people…or though a window). Looks great on the movies. But it’s not easy at all.
I agree. That is one of the aspects that make this case so interesting: The killer has obviously put a great deal of planning, practice and forethought into this, yet it seems so hapharzardly executed that the whole sequence of events just leaves me with a big WTF?
Anyway, goodnight @ all
Just a thought to dispel shooting victims elsewhere…..they couldn’t have been because the child hid beneath the women.
So as someone has said blood went in the direction of the bullet, so doesn’t this then tell us the the trajectory of the bullet….. shooting was done from the side of the car we are looking at ?
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No mention of little Zeena chocking in granny’s BLOOD either.
She must have been drenched on it!
O! Silly me! I am forgetting that this is all a FAIRYTALE ™ ! 🙂
@James , just thinking aloud on that one, but given that SAH worked with ‘Hicheur?’ who was locked up for terrorism and then released quickly…
Seems like when it’s time to bury the story they’ll pull the AQ angle
Jon.
Agree.
I think (and on here there are some very clever fellows bringing their own expertise to bare.
“The Guns of August” for me springs to mind.
One event…miles away. Yet the link is ongoing.
How do you suggest we can write such a “document” and update it on here ?
Watcher.
I agree.
But why now. What is important that it is now ?
From Jon
@all: just a thought. There are plenty of theories doing the rounds on the web, and I wonder if – as a tool for research – a large, printable diagram showing the possibilities would be of use. I appreciate there’s a point after which a single page cannot contain everything (there’s a whole canon of books on 9/11 theories now) but it might be good as a regularly-updated reference of “the most plausible ideas” as new facts emerge from the case
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A spiders web type map (like those on “muckety” connecting who to who etc would be marvellous. You volunteering? 🙂
“Representatives of the Walther firm which manufactured the pistol concerned are adamant. If the muzzle was placed against the forehead as it was discharged an exit wound the size of a closed fist should be on the other side of the victim’s head. The only way the corpse could be in the condition described by the witnesses was if the shot was fired from a distance of ten or twelve feet.”
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/1935.htm
No idea how reliable this is (or not).
I will “ferret” this one out…
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Ferret – the Russians faked the death. That was another FAIRYTALE ™ too, just like this one. 😉
If Sylvain liked bows and arrows and knives, is it likely too that he also liked guns? Working with metal too would he be handy at refurbishing and/or customising guns?
Obviously he didn’t shoot himself or the rest of them but could he have had a connection to the gun(s)?
Anders, mucker…
That is just name calling again !
You do not have any idea of my history. My experience. My life.
If you wish to somehow contol this exchange of ideas…and rely on name calling, I have no other option available to me than to refer you to the Moderator. And for he to review you comments.
Whether you be a writer or not, you are employing the tactics of a “school yard bully” on what maybe a rather important discussion.
Please desist.
@James we may never know, but interesting to see the exercises and fleets mobilizing in the gulf …
If Sylvain liked bows and arrows and knives, is it likely too that he also liked guns? Working with metal too would he be handy at refurbishing and/or customising guns?
Obviously he didn’t shoot himself or the rest of them but could he have had a connection to the gun(s)?
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Makes sense.
@Dopey, depends he could be a purist type, using the bow for hunting as it’s the purist almost ancient form…
If someone is skilled enough to take down a boar with a bow (as the bow hunting site showed) then you need to be equally skilled in bushcraft etc e.g. a proper woodsman. If he was the bushy type, may see guns as to easy, not real sport ….something tourists do??
Watcher.
And that is my worry.
Okay it is an “yearly” event. But these are special times.
We go back to the “ignored” Mr Mollier.
Was he just an “engineer” ?
No one knows. He hasn’t published papers. So what did he see ?
Mr Al Hilli. Was it such a thing he was a contractor at such a place he worked ?
Was one there to meet the other…or was it just by chance the two were there ?
Who was the target ?
Found an interesting link regarding balkan mafia transferring hafnium to iran. The hafnium came from an unknown source.
This is a report from 2005.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/09/balkan-mafia-eager-to-sell-a-bomb-materials-to-iran.html
I guess that we are quite close with the hafnium smuggling theory.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/17/262161/british-couple-murder-raises-further-doubts/
29 mins old
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/17/262161/british-couple-murder-raises-further-doubts/
29 mins old
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404 here in Dulles watcher, what did it say!
Pretty good information collected about induced gamma emission weapons (IGE) and its current state of science as much as it isnt held secret.
http://nucleardiner.com/component/communityanswers/view/16-when-will-we-unveil-our-ige-induced-gamma-emission-warheads-are-they-being-saved-for-a-rainy-day?Itemid=195
@Anders – press tv linky / 404
Nothing we didn’t already know. Did mention chatrooms and speculate over mossad involvement. No mention of Mollier as per usual
Seems that the news today is that there’s no news.
Not one of the rag tops has picked up and reported on any possible nuclear angle, which leads me to believe that are not being allowed to.
Don’t forget it’s what we don’t see in the newspapers we should be aware of. What they do print isn’t exactly investigative journalism.
@Bluebird – Balkan Mafia link – That 2005 story states 3.5kg of hafnium, can only guess they meant 3.5g as kg’s would be worth trillions no?
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Not one of the rag tops has picked up and reported on any possible nuclear angle, which leads me to believe that they* are not being allowed to.
Anders I replied to your Q(12.09am) at 12.12am it’s awaiting moderation
So if we believe the balkans are still fencing hafnium then the easiest exit with the loot is probably by road
@dopey, something like Muckety would be great. Sadly no time to do it myself, and I am not nearly immersed in the facts like the folks on this thread.
@James – in terms of editing such a document, several ways. It could be created offline using free software, such as Inkscape and shared online at Rapidshare etc. Or for speedier results, a Google Doc or similar.
@Guy_Fawkes2010
Considering that they have thoroughly searched the house, computers, safe, they are keeping very quiet.
@Watcher I think the valuation of Hafnium 178 is wildly over the odds. It refers back to an article/book in 1999 that was put together to defunct the technology and it’s value
@watcher; Balkan Mafia link – That 2005 story states 3.5kg of hafnium, can only guess they meant 3.5g as kg’s would be worth trillions no?
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No!!
What cost 28 billion per ounce is 178m2Hf
This is just the metal here that is being melted and packed at cezus in ugine. Rings a bell.
For using hafnium as an highly explosive element you first must enrich it towards an isotop 178m2.
You can do this with particle accelerators (rings a bell?) or else with laser beams (silex).
Once you got the enriched hafnium isotope 178 then you could use it for IGE weapons (if somebody did invent a trigger, what we dont know).
What they were smuggling was the hafnium metal. Where was it coming from? They said “unknown source”
Likely it came from ugine (leaked by our mr mollier?). We can only speculate.
The hafnium metal is not that expensive. Its a matter of some 10.000 dollars only depending if they paid the official price for the 3.5 kg.
I wonder when the burials are taking place for the Al Hillis. If they were muslims how do they get around the fact that they’re supposed to be buried within 24 hours?
I recall Dodi Fayed being buried in that timeframe regardless of that investigation.
@Dopey , I did refer to the Hilli bodies last night, yes it seems very strange.
@Bluebird, got it, thanks for clarifying.
@Dopey France haven’t exactly being known for there tolerance of late, burka / hijab bans in schools. Far right , Le Penn or SAH wasn’t devout. Liked to talk the talk on forums but not bothering with mosque 3/4 times a day ?