My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
There was even a big fuss to bury Bin Laden within the 24 hr timeframe
Did the “bad guys” get away with something here?
Otherwise the AQ wrapper and victory should have been written all over this by now ?
Just a thought ………..
Seems possible, maybe a North Korea style test launch is the finale of the Iranian exercises with hafnium stealing the show
@jon
Teletubbies was ok’d by you before on this thread…
I was merely “connecting” with the originator, geddit?
So you have ERASED my 7 determined posts, eh???
Speechless.
@Watcher
Just because you are raging and bitter about your country being destroyed, does not necessarily mean you are religious…just human in a decent way.
@Watcher It does seem that Iran opened their own Zirconium plant in 2009
@all: just a thought. There are plenty of theories doing the rounds on the web, and I wonder if – as a tool for research – a large, printable diagram showing the possibilities would be of use. I appreciate there’s a point after which a single page cannot contain everything (there’s a whole canon of books on 9/11 theories now) but it might be good as a regularly-updated reference of “the most plausible ideas” as new facts emerge from the case.
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Ok Ereserman, YOU sodding do it.
Any one is us could spend DAYS ON IT AND IT could be erased, en whim.
Doesn’t cut it.
@Watcher
Just because you are raging and bitter about your country being destroyed, does not necessarily mean you are religious…just human in a decent way.
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It depends how that decency manifests itself, currently many of the citizens of syria are making IED’s and suicide vests as taught by AQ. (Ch4 news has a report earlier this eve on it).
@GuyF Yikes !
@Watcher
Al Qaida being the American proxies just as in Libya?
If they Iran have a zirc plant then it’s safe to assume they have hafnium, but maybe not the enrichment. Which brings us back to laserboy SAH
@anders7777 – I’ll not delete anything from you that is substantially contributing to the thread. Dates, times, theories, guns, cars, backgrounds, news stories, corporate espionage, state disinfo – all fine. But 75% of what you write is disruptive, petty or insulting, and just takes up time and space.
@Kathy who knows ? But probably a topic for a different forum…
@Watcher
One thing we do know is that there is a massive disinformation media campaign against Syria at the moment just like Iraq and then Libya so I would take everything you see in the MSM with a huge pinch of salt.
@Kathy you’re mixing up tactical and strategic there
@Watcher
The point of my original comment was simply to point out that being against the illegal war on Iraq did not make you a Muslim extremist.
Guy…
“It does seem that Iran opened their own Zirconium plant in 2009”
And what do they need for that pray tell ?
@anders7777 – I’ll not delete anything from you that is substantially contributing to the thread. Dates, times, theories, guns, cars, backgrounds, news stories, corporate espionage, state disinfo – all fine. But 75% of what you write is disruptive, petty or insulting, and just takes up time and space.
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In your opinion.
Whilst teams of trolls like James and his chums make fools of the thread, or try to, but for one or two like moi that have seen it all before.
Thank you for saying 25 per cent of my intel is HARD DATA ™
That’s a damned sight better than James and trolls.
@James so they have an N2N supply chain for their peaceful provision of Nuclear energy of course.
“Whilst teams of trolls like James and his chums”
Yeah, I am MI6 !
Ao is Peter. So is Dopey. So is Katie.
Infact Anders, you’re not MI6…and this is all against YOU !
Grow up fella.
@Watcher
The point of my original comment was simply to point out that being against the illegal war on Iraq did not make you a Muslim extremist.
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@Kathy … this post is much clearer
Guy…
What have they got ? (whee is there investment).
What do they need ?
How can you draw the whole lot together ?
“they have an N2N supply chain for their peaceful provision of Nuclear energy of course”.
@ferret
And if Mollier had been shot where he was found, they’d’ve had to scrub for hours to get all the blood off the gravel… and where would they have got all the water from, up there in the woods? It’s not making any sense.
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No blood.
A massacre with no blood.
KRYPTONITEgirl ™ is in a come, smashed in eye, skull fracture, shot, slapped around,
and thanks to the TAVISTOCK BOYZ ™ she is now skipping around confirming the theeoroes of DA BOYZ here:
pecker
mike
john
dave
james
Et all, dozens of strangers on this thread, eh??? 🙂
Anyone notice the generic names they use?
All a HUGE TAVISTOCK psyop FAIRYTALE ™ folks, don’t be fooled! 😉
@James they just need the IAEA to get off their back so the can start production (standard nuclear weapons).
For hafnium they need a trigger and possibly laser
Watcher…
I agree, if it were indeed possible…then they would be indeed “mighty”.
BUT who has that trigger ?
Maybe no one has.
They do “seem” to have uranium though.
But then you have to look at uranium enrichment !
Who’s good at that that ???
And forget that (well not forget) imagine I said to a “fearful” public.
Iran has SILEX !
Maybe Mollier (and I have no idea) was actually a Whistle Blower.
He must have worked with SILEX (and Al Hilli did at Rutherford).
And lets face it, there’s a rather large “Regatta” sat of Iran at the moment…with the Israelis threatening to “why wait, wait for what” as they have put it.
It is the only thing that I can think of that ties them all together…and with world events.
If I am wrong…fantastic I say.
@James Can I draw the whole lot together ? Probably not, but enjoying flexing the Grey matter on this one.
From day 1 the whole scenario seemed wrong.
Mind you switched to VPN after I posted last night. Maybe should have flexed the grey matter a little more before posting the Nuke angle?
@Anders7777
Keep it up, I say!
And if you keep your posts to just one hyperlink they tend to go through first time…
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Cheers ferret, wink, g’night! 🙂
@James …one of the many previously eliminated Iranian scientists may have developed a trigger … but given the number that have met with ‘accidents’ it would be easier to buy or steal the info if located/existed rather than develop from scratch
Guy…
VPN’s rock.
Currently, I think, I am sat in the sat in …..
…well sat somewhere, but my browser is in a different lingo !
NOTE TO SELF
Never respond Nuclear Physicist as occupation on life insurance application 😉