My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Questions were raised previously about the seemingly early timing of Mollier’s partner’s initial contact with the police. If this was the case might he have told her to contact the police if he was not back by a certain time?
Does this suggest that he may have been acting under coercion, and/or under absolute secrecy imposed by others, rather than voluntarily doing something illegal, perhaps for gain?
If there was an assignation is it more likely, as the local, that he would have suggested the place – thus allowing time to get there and back and a short period for the interaction/transaction?
What transpired suggests that the arrangements were compromised either because communications were intercepted, and/or either party was followed on the day; or there was a leak from those with advance knowledge (who may have set up the assignation via either of the murdered men) to others unknown who carried out the murders.
The crux of the matter, for me, is that horrendous crimes was committed and the person or persons who are guilty of those crimes remain at large. These crimes include the killing of four defenceless people, including an elderly lady, and the shooting of a seven-year old child who was beaten so hard about the head that her skull was fractured.
Idle speculation about the involvement of government agencies is all very well – it’s where I believe responsibility probably does rest – but if governments can kill people with impunity and due process be set aside for whatever reason, then we are all potentially victims. And no one may be the wiser.
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Good stuff CD.
@peter
Either “Portia” knows more than the press, or she made up that bit about Mollier being shot seven times. In all the reports that I have read, it said that he had been hit by five shots, of which two were finishing-off shots to the head. Likewise, I don’t recall reading anywhere that he was shot in the back. Does anybody have a source for that claim?
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Or two shots to the head, and five to make sure in the torso?
You haven’t a clue. 🙂
@FI-reball XL5 again:
1000 generations. I think not. Fiction has exaggerated the radioactivity fallout from nuclear weapons. Remember some residents who were not in the towns of Nagasaki and Hiroshima returned afterwards and the returnees do not have the massive increase in sickness and cancers that those who were present had. Obviously a terrible number did suffer but not nearly to the extent of the those present.
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Oh, that’s OK then!!! 🙂
@Vermillion
I am sure Star Wars gave us much better laser pointers so not useless.
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True dat, I recently bought 3 in Wallmart for just 7.99.
@ Katie
Those factoids are from this article
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4536506/Diana-cops-to-investigate-Alps-massacre-car.html
Thus, they are not so new – but still I had already forgotten about those assertions, which, if true, add yet more mystery to the story. Perhaps the killer tried to immobilize the al-Hilli’s stationary car in order to prevent their escape, perhaps they had been involved in a minor accident and merely pulled into this parking lot in order to sort it out when the other party went postal, perhaps they were forced to pull into this parking lot by somebody who attempted to push their car off the road …
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Peter still cranking away with the KILLER (singular), getting desperate later and ‘sorts it out’ with a reference to a lone nutter ‘going postal’…
Does this sound like a German Ballistics Journalist to YOU??? 🙂 😉
quote : It is all a TAVISTOCK/MI5/6 PRODUCTIONS Ltd. ™ FAIRYTALE ™
…and they like a RE-MAKE … it’s been mentioned before but meditate on this http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/29/humanities.artsandhumanities nearly 60 years to the day … do we believe in co-incidences here? a little girl beaten on head with gun? get out your tracing paper….
Nice one Wally!
Yet another DTP journo nicking stuff from here! Sandra Barr posted the old story at Icke,as the corpses were still warm (if there are any) and I posted it here 10 or so days ago. Posted it more than once IIRC. It was news to me then, but these BASTURDZ do like there little games, such as CHAVALINE was also a Polaris project, and plenty more besides.
Lotta KEEN MINDS ™ are reading all this, and watching DA BOYZ making ‘Royal tits’ of themselves! 🙂
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Spy theory revives French murder mystery
British family’s fatal holiday in 1952 ‘was not all it seemed’
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Jon Henley in Paris
The Guardian, Monday 29 July 2002 10.02 BST
Fifty years ago next weekend a Hillman saloon pulled off the N96 near the village of Lurs, about 75 miles from Aix. It was a stifling Provençal afternoon and the car’s occupants, the distinguished British scientist Sir Jack Drummond, his wife Ann, and their 10-year-old daughter Elizabeth, decided to camp out for the night by the banks of the river Durance.
Within hours they became the centre of one of France’s most troubling criminal puzzles, variously shot and clubbed to death. The tragic demise of the Drummonds is a murder mystery that has fired the public imagination for half a century.
It was not just the victims’ renown and the consequent fuss across the Channel: Sir Jack, a 61-year-old former professor of biochemistry at London University, had been knighted for his exceptional work in nutrition during the second world war and was a senior researcher at the Boots laboratory in Nottingham.
Nor was it the unlikely and altogether too handy perpetrator fingered by the police and convicted 18 months later: Gaston Dominici, a 75-year-old peasant farmer whose smallholding was the nearest property to the scene of the crime, was a pillar of the local community.
No, it was the many key questions that remained unanswered. What was Dominici’s motive? Where did the murder weapon, a battered US army Rock-Ola carbine, come from? What of the unidentified men seen on the road? And was Sir Jack, as Fleet Street soon began claiming, rather more than just an eminent scientist?
Now, after more than a dozen books and thousands of newspaper articles on l’affaire Dominici, an amateur historian has uncovered startling evidence neglected during the original investigation.
Raymond Badin may not have found the Drummonds’ killer, but he has opened up some intriguing new lines of inquiry.
“I don’t think Gaston was the author of the triple murder of Lurs,” he said. “I think the family was a pawn among others, caught up unwittingly on the chess board of a secret battle fought between east and west over each bloc’s leading scientists. Jack Drummond, we are almost certain, was a spy.”
First, though, the facts that led to Gaston Dominici’s conviction. It was his son Gustave who alerted the local gendarmes, hailing a passing cyclist at 6am on August 5 to say he had found a body. Elizabeth Drummond was lying near the river, her skull stove in with a rifle butt.
Lady Drummond’s body was found near the car, and Sir Jack’s just across the road. Both had been shot from behind. The broken stock of the Rock-Ola was found floating in the Durance, and the barrel was found later on the riverbed.
At first Gustave told police that he had heard shots at about 1am and thought poachers were out. He had found Elizabeth’s body at 5.30am. Gaston confirmed the story, adding that he had seen the Drummonds the night before while he was tending his goats.
Gradually, however, the family’s story began to reveal inconsistencies: a neighbour, Paul Maillet, told the police that Gustave had said he found Elizabeth alive. Then Gaston’s nephew came forward to say he had seen Lady Drummond and Elizabeth call at the farm with a bucket, asking for water – when the Dominicis had sworn they had no direct contact with the Drummonds at any time.
Eventually Gustave and his elder brother Clovis broke down. They told the police that their father had admitted having “killed the English”. Old Gaston confessed in his turn, only to withdraw his statement soon afterwards, saying he had admitted the crime “to protect my family”. Gustave then also retracted.
None the less, in November 1954 Gaston was found guilty and sentenced to the guillotine. The evidence clearly did not satisfy two successive presidents of the Republic: in 1957 René Coty commuted his sentence to life imprisonment, and in 1960 Charles de Gaulle freed him.
“Gaston had no motive,” says William Reymond, who has published a book on the case. “His initial explanation that Sir Jack had caught him in a compromising situation with Lady Ann is laughable. But there is lots more: the rifle clearly wasn’t his, and he didn’t know how to use it.”
According to Mr Badin’s examination of the case, recounted in the magazine Historia, the bizarre and unrelated arrest in Germany some time later of William Bartkowski, a sinister figure who confessed spontaneously to having been one of four contract hit men involved in the Drummond murders, has never been explained. The postmortems on Sir Jack and Lady Ann show different-sized entry wounds, indicating that two weapons had been used. And at least four local passers-by said in evidence that they saw strangers, meeting the description of neither the Drummonds nor the Dominicis, close to the car that night.
But the most interesting line appears to be Sir Jack’s real purpose in visiting the area. Mr Badin has discovered that he had been to Lurs at least three times before, in 1947, 1948 and 1951. Six miles from the village is a chemicals factory that had begun producing advanced crop insecticides, widely feared during the cold war for their military potential. Was he on an espionage mission? His camera, certainly, was never found.
Even more intriguingly, Mr Badin has unearthed the fact that Sir Jack had a lengthy meeting with a certain Father Lorenzi in Lurs two days before his death. The priest, who died in 1959, was a celebrated second world war resistance hero. Why would an eminent British scientist seek out a former maquisard ? And what did Fr Lorenzi tell Paul Maillet, a fellow resistance fighter, a close friend of Gustave Dominici’s and, Mr Badin is sure, the true owner of the Rock-Ola rifle?
“There is a lot more work to be done,” Mr Badin said. “The Dominicis’ strange behaviour indicates they knew a lot more about the crime than they ever let on. But they were not guilty of the murders. I think they plainly got caught up in something far bigger than themselves.”
@Anders7777 18 Sep, 2012 – 3:36 am, and anyone else with any more ideas,
If it is all a TAVISTOCK/MI5/6 PRODUCTIONS Ltd. ™ FAIRYTALE ™, what’s the motive? Who benefits?
We’re mired down in detail here,and some of it is very telling, but let’s approach it from another angle? Cui bono?
OK of course this is what the Guardian IS NOT telling you:
Originally Posted by anders7777
Thanks.
I wanted to get the facts down here, as pink fish had all the posts I made here removed.
I hope the icke forum resists any attempts to remove or censor this thread.
Great work Anders! I might do a blog on this one, the first thing I thought of was Jack Drummond and his family, on aug 4/5 1952, Jack his wife and daughter were murdered at near enough the same place. There has been speculation this years that it was a professional hit. Drummond was a scientist and for years he had been voicing concerns about how dangerous pesticides were.
He was a much respected and decorated scientist, at the time of his death he was “Apparently” working for Boots, and was researching cures for tropical diseases, whatever he was working on, Boots scrapped the project after his murder.
I read the book “the Vitamin Murders” about the killing years ago, a French peasant was set up for the murders. Drummond invented the word vitamin, it was he who first really documented the various nutritional benefits of various foods, and for years he was scathing in condemning pesticides as dangerous to human health, and destroying the nutrition of the food.
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Great work Anders!
Thanks Sandra! Coming from a seasoned expert like you, that has made my day! Obviously I am the same anders that sometimes posts to your blog/s. I think you should do one on this, the story like Edeilweiss Pirate says is potentially huge, like the Kelly one.
I might do a blog on this one, the first thing I thought of was Jack Drummond and his family, on aug 4/5 1952, Jack his wife and daughter were murdered at near enough the same place.
Now isn’t THAT a coincidence??!!??
There has been speculation this years that it was a professional hit. Drummond was a scientist and for years he had been voicing concerns about how dangerous pesticides were.
He was a much respected and decorated scientist, at the time of his death he was “Apparently” working for Boots, and was researching cures for tropical diseases, whatever he was working on, Boots scrapped the project after his murder.
I read the book “the Vitamin Murders” about the killing years ago, a French peasant was set up for the murders. Drummond invented the word vitamin, it was he who first really documented the various nutritional benefits of various foods, and for years he was scathing in condemning pesticides as dangerous to human health, and destroying the nutrition of the food.
Fascinating, I must check into all that myself. Of course as we all know, Big Pharma would not hesitate to take out anyone who would dent their profits, they are trying to ban vitamins everywhere now via the FDA and Codex whateveritis Alimentarius!
So just WHO wants to stop us getting vitamins, eh?
Same folks who push pesticides, thalidomide, agent orange, GM frankenfoods, fluoride, aspartame poisons, killer vaccinations, eh???
@peter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZEXWSuNX-A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
@peter
20 shots 20 hits at 25 yards
8.80 seconds
Campers heard sustained automatic fire for 30 seconds
FAIRYTALE ™ sez 25 shots
This cannot be. I suggest much more shots.
But then there is no blood
Or spatter
And KRYPTONITEgirl ™
Is up and running around?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeoYDbkkkmI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Been away, cogitating.
My suspicious were aroused by an early statement put out to Reuters and Al-Jazeera,nice compliant stenographers;
Sylvain Mollier, “just happened to be riding by” at the time of the attack, officials said
Wonder if Mollier or even Air2000 man were tooled up? (was the latter ever there?) We’ll never know what happened in the lay-by.
Wasn’t it odd that the Claygate postman gave a TV interview? Almost unprecedented. I almost fell off my chair against the wardrobe when I saw him on TV. Postmen and women sign the OSA (or used to) and also are aware of mail taps on their rounds. I wonder if he were pushed towards the microphone? [Anders says only a fuel would use email – Royal Mail much more discrete, but still interceptable] Or was he disciplined??
http://vimeo.com/48947313
Ditto “the accountant’s tale”. (oughtn’t he start thinking of retiring?)
Anyone think Brett Martin was pushed into that interview by the police so that they could observe his reaction to questions & hoping his story may vary under the pressure ?
He has to be under suspicion but being the professional he clearly is, they cannot find any proof ?
Again,what odds would bookies give for a Frenchman,an Iraqi & an Englishman……. all three keen cyclists -2 scientists & a B757 Pilot at Air 2000; Air Defence Weaponeering Instructor (pilot) in the Royal Air Force ……… all being in the same spot……… at the same day,same time on a wooded rural road in France ?
Especially as it was not a well used area……….surely they all have to be connected ?
Morning paper:
“Iran’s newest nuclear facility struck by ‘saboteurs’
Saboteurs have struck Iran’s newest and most sensitive nuclear facility by blowing up its power supply cables, the head of the country’s atomic energy programme disclosed.”
Look where it is,the very place AH did his ‘pilgrimage’:
“The Fordow plant, located inside a bunker dug into a mountainside, became the latest target on Aug 17 when an explosion severed its electricity cables, running from the nearby city of Qom.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9549098/Irans-newest-nuclear-facility-struck-by-saboteurs.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219569/Revealed-Al-Qaeda-suspect-worked-UK-laboratory.html
Thank you for contributing that link, anders.
This is the best report regarding hicheur i had read so far. Reading beteeen the lines it is pretty evident that they were talking about the hafnium bomb and that they had some evidence that the hafnium bomb would work and that hicheur had brothers (not meanjng siblings) in the uk who worked with him on that “project”.
My theory about al hilli having had a hafnium bomb at home is just a conspiracy, however, given what they said in this link it gets more and more likely that he had the bomb.
Sylvain, in my opinion,was just the guy who organised the hafnium from cezus, likely either not officially or else he might have stolen it during the production/melting process. Likely he had friends in the company who did support him. Once again, that is no accusation but simply my conspiracy theory taken the evidence we had.
If he had 4 kg hafnium on his bike ( the balkan mafia had 3.5 kg in their car) then he could easily carry that metal in a small bag on his bike. A meeting with al-hilli takes 10 seconds. 10.000 dollar versus 4kg hafnium. Easy. As a cyclist he does not look suspicious and al hilli driving with family and kids sight seeing does not look suspicious either.
What did they say in the link above? We supervised hicheur for a long time, we heard all his phone conversation, we knew what he was doing and thinking as if we were there. Likely they did it with SAH once again, so they knew exactly where and how he would meet sylvain as he had obviously done it in the years before as well.
One more frightening thing. An iranian representative said in an interview yesterday, that if they were attacked they would bring tge war right into our cities, too. We should not think that they did not make any preparations. So then, if he wss talking about the hafnium bomb, perhaps they really made preparations in western cities such as london, etc.
I strongly guess that SAH was part of the hicheur network and that they were talking about the “dirty”(hafnium) bomb in that article linked above.
Bluebird I’d go along with all that, my feeling has always been that this is terror related more than industrial espionage.
I just wish we had more on Mollier’s background,just because he has a French name that tells us nothing of his roots.
I do know that Mi5 have been secretly checking all UK science labs for biological terrorist activity since 9/11, few realise how vulnerable our government has made us by creating the enemy within.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/m15-in-terrorist-checks-on-800-killer-virus-labs-6653865.html
Incase anyone hasn’t seen this. No door to door enquiries done? This journo must have done a few to know.
http://wrightblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/09/before-hunting-international-assassins-police-in-annecy-should-look-closer-to-home.html
Thanks for the link, Dopey.
Reprinting a significant exerpt here…
“Nobody expects this case to be solved in a few weeks but in the long term, it helps if basic detective groundwork is done at the beginning of an inquiry, particularly one as horrific as this.
Having just returned from Annecy in South-east France, I am still baffled that French police allowed the media to trample over the murder scene within 48 hours of the shootings.
Senior British detectives tell me that had a similar case happened in the UK, the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings”
http://wrightblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/09/before-hunting-international-assassins-police-in-annecy-should-look-closer-to-home.html
Katie, terror and governments secret services are pretty close, often they are even the same groups.
Thrre is evidence that iran funds terror groups and so does the pakistani secret service fund terror groups and so is and always was israel funding terror groups. Terrorist are often used by secret services to do their most dirty and most immoral work and they are getting paid then like professional killers are getting paid.
Therefore i would not be able to tell about who did it, simply because every secret service and even terrorist groups or even the balkan mafia could have had an interest to kill them. Even iran could have killed them after they understood that hicheur became a whistleblower in jail. So they needed to get rid of the whole group. There are so many organisations with a strong interest for killing them if that hafnium bomb theory would be true. Literally everybody could have an interest. Even the balkan mafia could have had an interest because they wanted to be the exclusive hafnium smuggler but SAH purchased directly from sylvain without involving the mafia. In drug wars, this is usually deadly for both the seller and the buyer. There would be endless motives for everybody. Particularly if we take into consideration that nobody should know that a hafnium bomb really exists and works. People would panic if they knew.
Reason for Murder
SSTL – Privy to secret information and may have seen something on their new Spy Satellite network.
Iran – Dealing with Iran in some capacity
Israel/CIA/MI6/DGSE other government agency – Killed because of dealing in covert sale of information on Satellite or Nuclear technology.
Racist Attack
Drug deal
Al-Hilli Iraq connections
Al-Hilli wanting to elope
CERN
Hicheur connection/Terrorism
Gang Killing
Spy Network killing.
EADS/BAE merger
The Place:
Meeting Place
Mobile Black spot
Picnic day out
Chased to this location
Dead drop
Questions
Where did Al Hilli go every day?
Blood?
Roof Rack
Rear Tyre
Passports
Weapon
How Many Killers – where did the escape to
Where the Al-Hilli’s Followed?
The truth about Mollier background and work
I just feel that we are thinking in a way that everyone wants us to – Israel & Iran etc we need more info otherwise we spend our time bouncing off a brick wall, arguing or letting others throw us off.
Brett M – still doesn’t add up, in this story and him being there just doesn’t seem right, out of 7 people in this incident 6 where British. BM makes no money has a property in a beautiful part of the world that he can just take time out in to ride his bike? That’s a charmed lifestyle, why was he there?
This has seemed very cold warish to me and maybe this is the the start of a new one, a new arms race that has been coming for a while and security analysts everywhere have warned about this for a long time, let’s be real if Iran and Israel do faceoff then it’s not good for anyone!
I go back to the quote from a cousin of Mr Al-Hilli, who was contacted in Baghdad but refused to be identified, said: ‘If you investigate and find out about Saad’s job, you will know who’s behind his killing.’
The telegraph story from yesterday re the Iran nuclear sabotage took place in Qom, the place that Al-Hilli took his pilgrimage?
Would Al Hilli be the perfcet spy recruit , an Iraq national with ties to the Satellite Is SSTL a front/sting company for MI6 to draw foreign powers in
To by Satelitte tech and use this against them. If this was World War two and Al-Hilli was German and into say Radar he would have been recruited
To work against the Nazi’s!
This is a complex story and if this is the tip of the iceberg there is a much larger story standing in its shadow, either that or it is very simple – Mad
Man killer scenario!
Let’s think about what we post and research first, if Paul, Ringo and John are Mi5/Mi6 who cares let them post what they want if we argue about it it just fills the post with 75% of conversations that people don’t want to spend time on reading through and that makes the post less believable and more importantly less credible to everyone reading it, then they can pigeon hole us with other conspiracy theory sites and whack jobs!
Big post sorry im frustrated with the lack of info as it sends us around in circles because we want answers!
@Bluebird
Nice theory.
But…
Do you really think Mollier and SAH would have been dumb enough not to expect surveillance, esp after the Hicheur case?
Super-intelligent research scientist… smuggling Hafnium to Iran… not expecting surveilance on his phone, emails…???
I doubt it.
Apart from that, nice theory!
For those saying a lack of photos is normal, what’s missing in this particular case is much attempt at all to give it the “human” touch….photos of the dead humanize them, and remind folk that these were real people, and real families who have been killed. The photos of the two girls on the bike is the closest we’ve come to that yet, and it took fifteen days to see it.
So, photos, or a lack of them, to me is important and in the latter case significant.
Likewise, we’ve had several gobby neighbours wheeled out, and one significant witness. Overall however we’ve had others- the odd “friend” (cammed James) and several family members who have spoken but wished to remain un-named. That’s for the Al Hillis. For Molier there is even less of that. Some say its normal. I say its NOT normal. Its far from normal, and I can’t think of any other high profile murder case like this which has suffered from such lack of photos and lack of friends and family openly speaking about their bereaved.
@Ferret
I think they cut down on Survellance as much as they could a one way road that was in a Mobile Blackspot under the cover of the Forest (wellt that wouldnt have shielded from Al-Hilli’s own spy radar Sat).
Why are all these guys cyclists? its a great cover really if you think about it, not great for a getaway but it really gives you an excuse to be anywhere!
@ ricki tarr
Good post. My money’s still on SSTL and its activities as being central to this and a key part.
@ferret.
There are a lot of people who believe that they are on the radar but they also believe that they aee smarter than investigators. I knew a guy who made some tax fraud and he was aware that he was on radar and telephones and emails were undrr surveillance by authorities, but he told me that he wss smarter because he does all his correspondence and telephone calls by using skype. Well, in the end he wasnt that smart as he did believe he was.
Cyclist meets tourist family in a linely place in a mountain is a nice cover and pretty smart. If sylvain saw somebody else, he would nit stop but cycle on as if he did not know SAH. They likely had some other form of pre-communications. Certainly no phones and no emails. Perhaps keaving notices at some prearranged point outside the camping site. Who knows? Certainly not me.
Perhaps SAH was under pressure by his terror boss or by the government he worked for to finish a second device as quickly as possible. Who knows?
Pressure might mean: do it quickly or die!
Perhaps he has had no alternatives. However neighbours told that he was nervous and that he felt to be in danger from about june 2012. That was the time when brother hicheur
Was released from jail because of good behaviour. When does a terrorist behave extremely well? You say it!
@ferret
I never said that he was smuggling hafnium to iran. The balkan mafia did that. I was thinking that he smuggled hafnium to the uk for creating an IGE weapon (eg a hafnium bomb) at home.
@Dopey @Ricki
… so… perhaps it’s more like they WANT us to think it’s a Hafnium/Balkan Mafia thing, when really it’s a spy-satellite/SSTL thing?
Which would implicate more Boeing/CIA?
Big CIA presence in Geneva… as I posted earlier… so possible…
If so (open to suggestions) – what was Mollier’s involvement?
Thanks Dopey!
Where the Forums Hircheur made contact with Phoenix on the same forums as Al-Hilli posted at? Anyone know?, now that would be a forum that is monitored by the watchers at Mi5!
@ bluebird
Was released from jail because of good behaviour. When does a terrorist behave extremely well? You say it!
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They keep their nose out of trouble in there and toe the line in respect to prison life. A white collar “worker” would have no problem doing that. Its thuggish sorts and junkies who get themselves into bother in there.
I’ve aid before, he was released at the half way point of his sentence- nothing unusual in that whoatsoever. The point to consider is whether that sentence ie the 5 year length of it was a reasonable sentence for that type of “crime”.
@Bluebird
Good point about being under pressure, might have made him careless or make mistakes.
His trip to France was hastily-arranged, after all, which would support that conclusion.
Personally, I think it’s more likely he was ratted out by his controller(s) but who knows. Either way is possible.
Incidentally I wasn’t suggesting you were saying he was smuggling Hafnium to Iran, that’s more my pet theory at the moment – I was just being sloppy!