But I can tell you that after I am through with the piece on Jennifer I will write a piece on Craig Murray that will make people think that I was very nice to Naomi Wolf. What is important that YOU DO NOT TELL ANYBODY OF THIS AND WHAT IS COMING.
UPDATE – I published this without explanation and caused some confusion. The quote and link above are from an email exchange in which someone called Goran Rudling says he is planning to publish something about me, but it is a secret. I thought it amusing to repost it. I look forward to seeing what Mr Rudling comes up with.
I think Mary-Rose-blah-blah will be in trouble when the Duracell-powered Goran Rudling discovers she published their exchange of emails, after he admonished her for doing so before. It’s fortuitous that she did. I wonder what the GR fan club will say about his revealing statements.
Sunflower @7:48
” Attention whores does that stuff for free. His reward is that some deluded people forget for a moment that he is a taxi driver”
Chunky Mark is a taxi driver and he is a legend!
http://www.YouTube.com/user/chunkymark
Thank you Rico Santin for clarifying how Göran Rudling might be being funded for his website. I tried to paste comments on Samtycke but could not get past the Captcha. He claims to have fixed this but I’ve no intention of testing it out having already wasted more time than it’s worth. He must be feeling quite insecure. He claims to have proved a case which people who leave comments on Craig Murray’s blog are ignoring. But the truth is his arguments are garbled. He keeps going on about Julian Assange having been “charged”, because others don’t understand how to translate Swedish properly, but he is probably the only person in the world who thinks so, since I have not seen a single sensible comment supporting his interpretation. Most of the comments are of ridicule, centred around how this condom business has brought Sweden into disrepute.
In don’t understand what this is about. Some background would be helpful.
I get the impression the BrainGarbage site settings have got screwed up somehow and it has started automatically publishing correspondence. All the email postings have a publication date of 2 days ago. Older postings appear at the bottom of the page. They are just as deranged, but are not personal emails.
The Rundling – box of spiders connection:
http://rixstep.com/1/1/20110308,00.shtml
Apologies if this was posted before – in a hurry.
The swedish authorities, read government is shrewd but not stupid. They will not allow this case to reach a court of law and risk being made international laughing stocks uneless they rig the trail will “politically correct” laymen jurists on the panel and a “politically correct judge”
This case will be dropped in due time. I feel though that Mr. assange defence team and public supporters should be putting more pressure on the swedish authorities and call for selected boycotts etc.
I do give credit to Mr.Assange for being brilliant in insight and seeking asylum at the Equador embassy. Without this move he would have been “chicken feed” in so called neutral Sweden. Recall Hillary Clintons first US foreign minister visit to Sweden in 36 years in the run up to the last UK Appeal Court decision.
I agree with you Rico. His case will be dropped and I believe that has been the plan since the beginning. The authorities in Sweden has had ample opportunity to deal with the case swiftly, but decided not to, quite contrary they have taken all opportunities to prolong the farce. Similarly, the JA side seem quite content with a status quo as long as JA is kept in the limelight. Since nothing else has come out of this saga it should be considered whether this was not the intention from the beginning, i.e. to get JA and WL in the limelight. In other words a simple psy-op.
Sunflower, you don’t agree with Rico Santin very much, and I consider it dishonest that you claim that you do.
Rubbish. Julian Assange is effectively imprisoned. Assange has been thrust into the limelight, but as an alleged sex offender, not as a publisher of leaked documents. Wikileaks and the documents it reveals has been pushed right out of the limelight; whose agenda does that serve? And you claim that this is what Assange, Wikileaks and their supporters wanted all along? What nonsense.
Fairly recent development here:
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/10/11/lawyers-for-julian-assange-wikileaks-seek-details-on-justice-departments-criminal-investigation/
If the Swedish prosecution drop the matter, what will the consequences be? Will Assange automatically be free of legal action from UK authorities regarding breach of his bail conditions? Will those who lost their bail money have grounds to recover it? And how will he deal with the allegations if he isn’t able to challenge them? I can imagine people will continue to attack him as if the allegations were still valid. The Swedish prosecution are not going to drop the matter without blaming Assange and washing themselves of their own wrongdoing. It will not be an end to their attempts to render him to the US.
Donovan, yes. My beloved Sue and I are seeing Dylan on the 26th. It may be his. last appearance at Hollywood Bowl.
Come on Clark. Everybody knows JA is not a sex offender. He is a martyr, and a good one at that. Even Max Kaiser wanted to give him the Nobel Peace prize the other day. His credibility is based on him being a pain is the ass of and hunted by the establishment, so a role is designed like that.
Things don’t happen by chance they happen by design, he is just doing his job. Hopefully his employers will let him go when he has served their cause.
Villager, my pleasure!
Sunflower, did you “happen by chance” or are you “just doing your job”?
Look through the Wikileaks material. It is genuine, as is the angry response from the US warmongers. What of whistleblowers? What about Daniel Ellsburg? What about Craig Murray? All just part of the Grand Conspiracy? How about Dr David Kelly? Your stupid conspiracy has to have a limit somewhere.
I see many on here are still struggling to reconcile their support for wikileaks with a rational assessment of JA’s actions.
Despite the usual conspiracy nonsense and complaints of legal bias, if anything it could be argued that the Swedish and UK authorities were too lenient with JA in allowing him to leave Sweden(expecting his return to face further questioning), and by granting him bail in the UK. The lingering feeling is that time and time again in this case JA’s actions have worsened his situation.
It could also be argued that the Swedish authorities do not have a viable case, even in Swedish law, that they were told this at the outset and agreed, but a mad feminist harpy decided to get her revenge on all men everywhere and resurrect a non-issue.
None of the Swedish actions have tended towards a speedy resolution, and although Assange may have exacerbated this, while they could have cleared this up a year ago (no court case could possibly have succeeded, and the matter could legitimately have been dropped) it still rumbles on, with complications.
Komodo, I love the ‘mad feminist harpy’, but is that Borgstrom or Ny? Even Irmeli Krans fits the bill.
I had Ny in mind, but as you say…
@Clark 12.46 “Your stupid conspiracy has to have a limit somewhere.”
Why? Am I challenging you Clark? Surely you are not threatened by a nut like me? Just ignore what I have to say. Or, you think I should be censored? Put in a deprogramming program, or an asylum? Maybe executed for not being scientific?
First you groundlessly jump on me and accuse me of a bunch of sinister conspiracies made up by your own mind then you brush it over and start all over again all the while I maintain a sincere respectful tone towards you.
I don’t expect you or anyone else share my world view but since you claim coming from the scientifically based high ground, at least show some common manners.
Totally off thread but,I believe Assange is the real thing. Can anyone here imagine what it must be like to lose your own life?. To be under house arrest and to survive.Think about it.Spending day after day indoors.This is not a grand plan and it is insulting our intelligence to suggest as much.
Clark, I’m so sick of your defamation campaign. It has become really unpleasant here for those of us who are apparently your self-declared *legitimate targets*. You are endlessly whining about your own feelings yet care nothing for the feelings of others. You actually seem to take pleasure in your vengeful sneering and anti-intellectual personal attacks.
You are not being honest with Sunflower, Chris, Billy or anyone who disagrees with your puerile straw-man projection theories. If you were honest you would post your personal grievances publicly rather than send them in private by email. That way your vindictive little agenda would be transparent to all rather than just the unhappy few.
Evidence indicates that YOU are the true “conspiracy theorist”. Not only are you ignorant and abusive, you are actively paranoid and delusional.
** Sunflower is not CIA **
You seem to have totally forgotten the upset you caused me last Monday with your paranoid delusions and cryptic coded messages. Your cloak and dagger lunacy was intimidating and actually quite terrifying. You cost me an afternoon off work in deep anxiety and disrupted my whole working week.
Do you deny this Clark?
The internet has no business turning up in real life. Instead of an apology, you accuse me again and again of dishonesty.
Your last 3 emails are offensive, irrational and quite deranged.
You have no concept of the meaning of “respect” or “privacy”.
Your ongoing crusade against those who have “offended” you fills me with concern. I used my real email address to post here because the “nutters” are supposed to be on the outside of the firewall. I am not at all happy that you now have my personal details, and you know where I live.
If you are ill, see a doctor. While you are here why don’t you try “do as you would be done by”.
Respect and you will be respected.
And finally, I am not a liar. If you accuse me again I will publish all of your deluded little rantings and make a formal complaint to Craig.
Zoologist/Clark – just popping in. I’ll post again in a few mins, but for the time being, please hold off on this thread.
Zoologist, I’ve just scanned this thread, and am trying to reconcile your complaint with posts that appear here. I am happy to help try sorting out this disagreement if you reckon I can be even-handed – sometimes arbitration can help.
You’ve not been mentioned on this thread, so I can’t see where you believe someone has called you a liar. I’ll read another thread if you can point me to it. Or was that a private communication with Clark?
In general I think private communication with mods has value, since it removes – or tries to remove – the potential heat of public exchange. I have only done it once here, since I don’t have time to moderate at that level of detail. I do also see value in the perspective that communications should be “above-board” so everyone can see what’s going on.
Both: in summary, let me know if I can help. Warm wishes to both of you.
CE:
How strange. I could have sworn it was you that, on another thread, felt that Wikileaks should be regarded as separate from JA, and that you believed JA was using the good name of WL to evade justice. Surely on that basis, we should not be making a judgement on WL based on his actions?
I continue to think that JA has been set up, and if I were in his place, I’ve no idea what I would have done. Would I have gone to Sweden to clear my name? Possibly, but I take the view he is likely to have information – perhaps a leak from the US State Dept or other agencies – about what is going on under the surface. It is possible he had a good reason to run, or was advised to.
So, for the time being, I still count myself as an Assange supporter. I’ve mentioned it before, but I would like to see the AA line of enquiry dropped – there’s overwhelming evidence it’s a fraud – and extradition guarantees put in place to answer the SW queries. I think it is a great shame the Swedish state would rather jump to the US tune than deal with a possible sexual assault correctly (especially since a fair trial is probably impossible now – which believe it or not I am not happy with).
My view of Wikileaks – an entirely separate issue – remains supportive.
As a distant observer, first, no smoke without fire.
Second, i didn’t like the way Clark jumped all over Sunflower–seemed almost as a deliberate attempt to create a larger misunderstanding than to to gain understanding, ie the essence of communication. Sad really.
Third, i’m shocked, SHOCKED, to read of the private emails that Zoologist refers to.
Something is definitely amiss here. I think Craig should definitely get a closer look as this is the sort of thing that could erode the ‘value’ this site.
Hi Villager – I think it’s probably for the best if everyone doesn’t pile in with their penny’s worth. I am sure whatever the issue is can be sorted out.
I’m glad this issue of private emails has come up. It gave me the impression that the forum wasn’t being operated with appropriate transparency and that there were some hidden dynamics that impacted on the frankness of exchanges. However, it also appears that some very private issues have inadvertantly crept into what should be a very public forum and this threatens the integrity of its operation.
It’s all a bit late to be giving advice, I suppose. But may i suggest that people put up a firewall between this blog and their personal lives? We have our pseudonyms and alternative email addresses and a very liberal forum to exchange views. If you can’t say something here, in public, then give it up.
@Zoologist – You can have a blast at Clark, you are obviously free to defend yourself here. But if you threaten to breach any understanding of confidentiality of private communications between you and him, there will certainly be unintended consequences that will make your ability to post here quite impossible. Even if you were able to do so, your name/s, real or fake, will be mud and you will become a target of others. So take the day off and see a movie.
@Clark + Jon – There is a conflict of interest between being a mod and a commentator, you know this. A compromise is required to mitigate this conflict and it can’t be to the moderation. Therefore your ability to freely comment must be constrained – unless you use another pseudonym. Part of your effective work as mods is to mediate between warring parties and molify hurt feelings. You have been effective in piping me down, and putting an end to space-wasting quarreling. But this ability depends on us trusting you to be fair and some feeling of goodwill. If you get into hostile exchanges with regular visitors, your ability to negotiate with them when you need to will diminish. I enjoy watching you two having a blast at some here but unfortunately, you both know that undermines your work as mods.
Off Topic – Can someone put a link at the top of the page that we can bookmark, which takes us straight to the bottom of the page? Some of us like to read backwards.
Well, as the topic of private emails is current, and indeed the topic of the entire thread, perhaps we can go back to first base?
Flashback has published a glorious email reply to Mary Rose Lenore Ong/Braingarbage from Brita Sundberg-Weitman. Brita Sundberg-Weitman is a highly respected Swedish jurist and was a witness at the Assange hearings. Pity we don’t also have the email by Mary Rose to which Brita is replying. Then again, I’m sure it’s probably on the Braingarbage blog somewhere – she seems to suffer from obsessive/compulsive gut spillage. Probably where Flashback sourced Brita’s reply, come to think of it…
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Brita Sundberg-Weitman
wrote:
Dear Mary,
I wonder what you mean when you talk of “coercion of witnesses and breach
of confidentiality and an erroneous allegation of state-feminism”. I was
certainly not coerced – who say they were??? – and having reread my written opinion there is nothing in it that is not exactly what I mean today. In my opinion those who speak of State Feminism in Sweden today as an exaggerated and mad ideology, far from the original ideas of Equal Opportunities, are quite right. Do you know that the Feminist Party “Feministiskt Initiativ” has extremely few supporters: probably most ordinary Swedish women think Gudrun Schyman is absolutely unreasonable. That’s why I recommended you to read Tanja Bergkvists blog, but since it is in Swedish you may not be able to read it. By the way, Göran Rudling is no “legal scholar expert” as you say, and in my view he is a bit too much of a “Besserwisser” to be taken seriously. In his opinion all except himself ( and those who flatter him) are “idiots”.
I think it is unfair of you to accuse Rixstep and Ferrada Noli of being in favour of rape, “honour crimes” or trafficking or even sexism. The problem of violent men and trafficking has nothing whatsoever to do with the Assange case!
I cannot think of any ordinary Swedish woman who would be thankful to you
for your fight for equal pay and against sexism in Sweden. If there is sex discrimination in Sweden today, it is rather against men, and there is nothing to prove that there isn’t equal pay for equal work. Both men and women make silly jokes about the opposite sex and there is in my opinion nothing much to make of it, just trivial jargon.
Have you been “seduced” by Göran Rudling and Gudrun Schyman, I wonder.
With love,
Brita
@Arbed, thanks, may the thread continue!
@Jemand, some useful thoughts there, thanks. I agree that the “firewall” for individuals involved, such that upsets here don’t spill into the real world, could do with a bit of strengthening. I suspect we all come here in the main for solidarity with similar thinkers, and stimulation and debate from different thinkers. Even if our purpose is simply pastime, I hope everyone derives enjoyment from it, and as such quarrels that become excessively personal should be avoided and discouraged.
With that in mind, the advice that Clark/Zoologist have a ceasefire (or a cease-emails) is a good idea, I think. Clark’s given me some of his thoughts privately, and I’ll obtain the same from Z.
Jemand, on private emails outside of the forum: I don’t do so outside of the moderators list, except for an instance where I thought a contributor needed some reassurance. I agree it could be more transparent, and perhaps it would be better reduced to nothing. Since Clark appears to have had discussions off the board, he and I will have a chat about that. It’s a tricky one I suppose, since some people here are bound to know each other “in real life”, and we can’t stop them emailing each other :).
On the mod/contributor dilemma, another awkward one, and it’s been discussed here before. Being a mod is all curse and no fun, contrary to popular view. We rarely get to “play God” with the delete button, and as free-speechers we hate using that anyway (but overt racism and extreme persistent disruption has to be dealt with, otherwise the board would have no value). So if moderators were not permitted to post, we’d be working for everyone else for no reward – not ideal. In my view I think this issue is OK as it is, and once the other issues are cleared up we’ll be good again.
Anyway, sit tight, and I’ll beaver away at some peace negotiations.