The outpouring of evidence about Jimmy Savile shows that scores of people working in the BBC, Hospitals, childrens’ homes and even the police knew – not had heard gossip, really knew – about Savile’s paedophilia, but did not blow the whistle.
To me this correlates with the fact that scores of people in the FCO, MI6, MI5, Cabinet Office and other government agencies knew about extraordinary rendition, but did not blow – indeed still have have not blown – the whistle.
Savile had come to be seen as a big and peculiarly “Establishment” figure. The extreme rarity of whistleblowing in society is a strange phenomenon it is worth taking a few minutes to consider. Why did none of those now coming forward with their stories – not the victims, but the eye-witnesses – come forward at the time? Fear is probably the main answer, in particular fear of losing your job if you rock the boat. One problem in modern society is that people’s job is too central to their identity – most people when asked who they are, will reply what work they do. It is not just the need to earn money; your social status and personal relationships are often dependent on your position at work. To lose your job, or to become a social pariah within the organisation where you work, is too much for most people to contemplate.
That is why BBC producers who knew about Savile, saw him at it, did not blow the whistle on one of the Corporation’s biggest stars. It is why so few whistleblowers spontaneously come forward who have seen corruption in local government planning departments or defence procurement, to give an example. For most white collar crime there are people who are not directly involved bu see it and keep quiet. There is also the deterrent of self-incrimination – after a time silence becomes complicity.
In my own case of blowing the whistle on the international torture network, I know for certain that many other Ambassadors and diplomats knew just what was happening, most of them didn’t like it, but nobody but me blew the whistle. One Ambassador sent me a cheery “Rather you than me!” Some were actively complicit by being involved in rendition arrangements, others passively by not trying to stop it. This is why the Gibsom Inquiry into Complicity in Torture was shelved – it could not have proceeded without revealing that scores, possibly hundreds, are guilty, many of them still high-ranking civil servants. It was to protect them and the institutions in which they work, rather than to protect the high profile war criminals like Blair, Straw and Campbell, that the Establishment closes ranks. I always knew I would never be allowed to testify before an Inquiry into Complicity in Torture.
Whistleblowers are not just thrown out of their jobs. They almost never find new employment, as the one quality every employer values above any other quality is loyalty to the employer, right or wrong. Nobody wants a “disloyal” employee, whatever their motives. And if your whistleblowing involves the world of war and spying, they will try to set you up on false charges, like me, like Julian Assange, and not just sack you but destroy you.
Whistleblowers are rare because it is a near suicidal vocation, and everyone else is too scared to help. The Savile case teaches us far more important lessons than the prurient detail of a lurid life. Think about it.
@Lwtc247
“Please, it’s an important and serious point.”
I can see what your point is. However, I made light of it because there’s a flaw in your logic.
Kingfelix…..Now then, now then!
Lwtc247,
Kingfelix is right – you are delivering vicious and perverse rumor.
Lwtc,
If by that you mean the buildings were brought down as a result of planes laden with jet fuel smashing into them, as opposed to the use of controlled explosives, then yes, I go for the official story.
Any views on Building 7, which came down in an identical manner, yet was not hit by planes laden with jet fuel?
Anne-Marie Quigg,
I agree the ‘Art Council’ does has vested interest, yet most bidding systems, especially local council, are corrupt.
Maria Alekhina, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova do not deserve a ‘penal colony’ prison sentence. I have written to Putin asking him to review the law regarding the terms of sentencing in pre-trial detection centers.
Building 7 – an elaborate deception perpetrated by lizards from Mars on behalf of the Jooo/Masonic/NWO/ Illuminati elite at the request of Queen Elizabeth? Or collapse in some way related to being hit by debris and burning out of control for hours? Only a civil engineer could believe the latter, of course, but you decide…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center
It takes that much research.
If you believe wikipedia on sensitive political issues you’ll believe anything.
It is a put down, derisive and a contempt for professional and valid facts and wisdom, that over 1700 scientists, architects and building engineers are pooh-poohed, passed over and tuned out from the evidence they present that tells us in simple, unambiguous words and images, that the attacks on the World Trade Buildings as told by the official government reports are adulterated, falsified, distorted and disguised. Another inquiry must be convened from more honest American folk.
Any doubts should be dispelled, eliminated and dismissed by just listening, observing and thinking here:
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
With thanks to Colorado Public Television.
President Bartlet ain’t convinced:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/oct/17/martin-sheen-woody-harrelson-9-11-truther
If you believe wikipedia on sensitive political issues you’ll believe anything.
Hmmm. If I believe a random anonymous poster on a blog, what will I believe?
A most publicized case is now being exploited just to hide that it is really the tip of the iceberg, as they say.
The whole problem is that we live under police states of a fascist nature where much of what is going on is veiled from us because of the highly structured covert nature of its systems where too few people, especially officials, really know what is going on, and are prevented from disclosing hardly anything that is going on, thanks to cowed representative bodies, a media which is kept in line by all kinds of prohibitions, advisories, and back channels, and the employees themselves are prevented from disclosing illegal and corrupt practices, thanks to the conditions of their employment, the laws about disloyalty, and the most feeble nature of any oversight.
We are all so confused about what is going on that we grab on anything which seems to be revealing, whether it be false whistleblowers like Assanage and Wikileaks, internet posters who seems to be off the official agenda, and blogs which suggest something entirely different.
In the old days, the Nazis justified it by calling it a dual state where the so-called bad guys got exposed, and punished while the apparently good guys sailed right along without any trouble.
We live in a much more mixed-up world, but the outcome is much the same.
Mark Golding,
1,700 scientists, architects and building engineers represent a miniscule of the totality of scientists, architects and building engineers throughout the world and indeed the US.
Just as one can find a relatively tiny number of scientists who deny evolution or climate change if you were to look hard enough, so you will find a body of scientists, architects and building engineers who claim that the buildings couldn’t possibily have been brought down by what millions of people saw with their own eyes on television, namely planes laden with jet fuel smashing into them.
Of course those who blow the whistle on the whistleblowers are by definition just CIA stooges!
I departed work with the RELEASE COLLECTIVE in the spring of 1983 after about an 8 year stint. I left because I was absolutely livid at the truly dishonest way I had been treated by an organisation I had had very very high hopes for when I’d joined – the behaviour had became utterly despicable. I was paid off with 2 Grand ONLY on the basis that I never ever spoke about what my concerns had been. If an on the face of it outward going reputable libertarian organisation can do an “Operation Cover Up” its hardly surprising that less idealistic outfits keep stoom.
Mark: The reports may indeed be distorted, falsified, etc, but they are reasonably unanimous that a plane crashed into each of the twin towers, and they collapsed. To invoke deliberate sabotage by the USG to account for the collapse is unnecessary, and there are good structural reasons why they collapsed as they did. In addition to some very sloppy workmanship on the part of the builders. The firefighters’s account of the collapse of Building 7 does not require intentional demolition.
Nor do Jews/Arabs dancing on the rooftops require anything more than delight that a MidEast casus belli has been created/a hated symbol has been demolished. Etc, et effing c. See Occam’s Razor.
But enough of this. Whistleblowing is one thing (and as correctly indicated above, there don’t seem to be any actual whistleblowers in a position to know here, merely conspiracy theorists fuelled by a confused and initially slowly-evolving official account). Think there’s a paper trail to back your ideas up, theorists? Find it, then. Until then, gravity, heat, dynamics and hijackers (I do not say whose) are enough for me.
Mark’s video above provides compelling evidence from experts in the field. They aren’t convinced by the official account. Some of them even seem to think it negates the laws of physics.
Nutters, eh.
http://video.cpt12.org/video/2270078138
they all knew from top down.
he was after all the governments man yes no
what of the deceiving D notice
lord of leeds.
by the clicking of his ring encrusted thumbs, something wicked this way comes.
Esther Rantzen,he deceived us all….
tosh and tittle and tattle tis just word play my lord.
the upright knights of engerlund the lords and fine ladies of bbc.
are hag esther had full reports given.
are members of court and cabinet briefed.
all had eye or heard of foul deed.
all knew all guilty.
the sin of averted gaze.
the covering of ears from scream.
the guilt of child sodomy,the ringing of the neck.
the hanging of the body.
the wallowing and the blood.
but soft i hear fowl murdoch approacheth.
with outlandish ike conspire racy tales of
Foul Unnatural deeds
that breed unnatural troubles in Cankered infected minds.
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I can spot a troll a mile off Daniel.
sir sa vile of leeds
was after all a doctor and a government man.
The Earl of Dundee My Lords, I should like to join other noble Lords in congratulating the noble Earl, Lord Longford, on putting down this very apt Unstarred Question. It further demonstrates the level of determination on penal matters which has long been associated with the noble Earl.
i should like to turn to the special hospitals service run by the Department of Health. Your Lordships will know that there are now new management plans. These plans have already affected Broadmoor Hospital. The prime objectives of this service are to protect the public and to give the patient the right treatment and a good quality of life. The special hospital service is intended to be closely linked to the psychiatric services provided by district health authorities. Special hospitals themselves are to be used as training centres to encourage trained staff in 525 various branches of psychiatry. The hospitals will also be used for research into forensic psychiatry and related conditions.
A new special health authority is planned to oversee the operations of the four hospitals. Perhaps I may give some details to the noble Lord, Lord Allen, who inquired about them.
The noble Baroness, Lady Ewart-Biggs, asked me about the special hospitals’ complaints procedure. This is still under active consideration and will be introduced as soon as possible.
I should like briefly to refer again to Broadmoor, about which the noble Lord, Lord Allen, has spoken. The activities of the Broadmoor Hospital Board were suspended during August and the operational management of the hospital is in the hands of a specially formulated task force whose best known member is Dr. Jimmy Savile. Dr. Savile has been involved with the work of Broadmoor Hospital for many years and is now devoting his considerable talents to ensuring that the hospital functions smoothly during this difficult interim period before the new special health authority comes into being.
doctor savile with his new special hospital wing and his extra special techniques.
and nobody talks about taking peter sutcliffe out for long spells.
the ripper as muscle in a rolls royce allowed out with sir jim to rape and kill again.
but just words.
i mean the young girl talk the bbc it is all just rumour innit and the bbc never lie just ask are lady esther.
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We have speculated aplenty on Craig’s blog re: Fox/Werrity, etc.
But what I feel is that the fertile ground some of our trolls of today are seeking here does not exist, strangely enough.
May I suggest why? Because, upon reflection, the orientation of Komodo, Mark, John, is towards the live issues of the day. I notice, also, that those who are most invested in determining that */** is a vast conspiracy are never interested in the geopolitics that flow from that event.
Right now, we need to know more about the human networks and shifting alliances of our political leaders, not be delving into the arcana of the melting points of steel.
In that sense, there *is* a dark politics, but that is not synonymous with subscribing to UFOs, Men in Black, or lizards from Alpha Centauri.
As Craig’s post addresses, the concealment of wrongdoing arises from extremely quotidian and everyday concerns. There are plenty of strong ideologies, there are innumerable weird creeds, but how many of them are stronger than the simple urge to break ranks, and in so doing, to put one’s career on the line? Who wants to go home and try and explain to their spouse that they have stood up on a point of principle and that the cost will now be the probable destruction of their future prospects and of their present lifestyle?
That was the point, it seemed to me. Instead of applying this rather simple principle to a few test cases and seeing how strong an explanatory framework it provides, there are others who’d rather immediately summon up the notion that Savile’s abuse was sustained by mass meetings in underground caverns, where ancient gods were invoked, and those present swore complicated allegiances of blood to one another.
Instead, we’re there with the ‘banality of evil’ type approach, of keeping one’s head down and one’s mouth shut and certainly not asking questions. Indeed, this last point can be seen in sharp relief when you look at Savile’s interactions with journalists, he makes continual references to how journalists are constantly transgressing by ‘asking too many questions’. He shows the media as being like the police but without the police’s powers. Maybe that’s why he liked to toy with them.
Komodo,
While your hanging out with the males investigating sloppy workmanship I was stuck here all day cleaning up the nest and defending your eggs against all your other mates!
Mod/Clark: Thanks Kingfelix. Yes, the line between good and evil is drawn across every human heart and mind. Conspiracies exists, of course, but grand conspiracy theorising serves to externalise personal morality onto some untouchable cabal.
Just a fraction of what Deepa Naik said:
Oldfield’s wife Deepa Naik said outside court the punishment dished out to her husband wouldn’t deter him from protesting again on his release from jail.
“He has a strong spirit and he stands by what he did,” she said.
She said the custodial sentence was a reflection of the fears of the establishment over Oldfield’s actions.
“Most nation states work very hard at maintaining untrue myths about themselves,” she said.
“Great Britain has convinced many that it is the home of democracy and a gauge of civilisation.
“Anyone living here today knows Britain is a brutal, deeply divided class-driven place.
“London is today the most unequal society in the western world. This poverty and inequality is totally unnecessary and has been severely exacerbated by government cuts and reductions in civil liberties.”
She called on Australians to voice their disapproval over the ruling.
“Please come out and make your concern known as much as possible in solidarity with Trenton,” she said.
http://www.news.com.au/world/aussie-boat-race-protester-to-be-sentenced/story-fndir2ev-1226499670669
Mark – They’re MY eggs? Thought you made that lot yourself. But thanks!
Clark/mods/Craig. I didn’t want this thread to deviate towards the whole ball-game of 911 – I know there is a thread dedicated to that. My question is highly relevant given he dismissed it on the basis that nobody blew the whistle (as well as technicalities of wiring of the buildings for controlled demolition). His post here is a very powerful ‘universal solvent’ against his own past stated position. Surely Craig should reflect and have a serious rethink. Thanks.
“I know there is a thread dedicated to that”
Unfortunately comments are closed.
‘The Savile case teaches us far more important lessons than the prurient detail of a lurid life. Think about it.’
Savile was not just a paedophile, he was close to the security forces, Zionism, the BBC, the Establishment, the professions of Law, medicine, psychology and politics.
The important lesson is the nature of our Establishment that they were happy to associate with him. The promiscuous revolution which took place under Thatcher was a societal shift in which influential people decided that the next generation was not going to be brought up sexually handcuffed to conventional morality, and they would pimp their daughters wilfully and intentionally to whatever sexual chances were around.
This was the mindset of the intelligentsia and wealthy people of the 1970s. For them, the possibility of oppression of vulnerable young people was irrelevant. They wanted their own children to have sexual freeddom which they themselves had been denied.
Savile was a guru for them, his perversion an untidy side-effect of the Zionist-inspired transformation of UK society from Christian values to free-for-all.
Are you going to prosecute a whole generation for this change. Savile is a hero of the sexual revolution, who is now in the process of being sanitised before being sainted.
Truth is painful for the likes of Craig, who worship at the altar of sexual freedom. Savile was a small monster in Jurassic Park of far greater monsters. I include them all, Mrs Thatcher, Tony Blair, the BBC. Prosecute them all.