BBC Vomit 640


I was trying to come up with a witty and apposite acronym for BBC to describe what I have just seen on TV, but all I could manage was Beyond Belief Cunts.

Watching BBC World News here in Accra, I have just seen forty minutes of intense and non-stop Israeli propaganda. A live press conference by Netanyahu and Ehud Barak followed by a long, long interview with Mark Regev in which the most searching BBC question could fairly be paraphrased as “How can you be certain that those dastardly Palestinians will not break the ceasefire and start firing rockets again?”

No attempt whatsoever to give a Palestinian a chance to put over their viewpoint. Now fifty minutes of solid coverage around the ceasefire without a single Palestinian view or pro-Palestinian or pro-peace view. And in that entire fifty minutes not one mention of Palestinian dead.

Beyond Belief Cunts. Actually, it’s not a bad effort.


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  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    I think they got a whiff of a puppet-regime.

    http://www.juancole.com/

    “Liberals, leftists, nationalists, Muslims, Christians, trade unions, professionals, movie stars, lawyers and judges united on Tuesday throughout Egypt to deploy a whole range of protest techniques against last Thursday’s Executive Order of President Muhammad Morsi of the Muslim Brotherhood, which put him above all judicial authority. Some clashes broke out with Morsi followers, and some 76 were injured.”

  • guano

    The Muslim Brotherhood is easy to understand.
    1/ Use the slogan of Islam to attract supporters from practising Muslims to a political movement that seeks pre-eminence and money from the Global Zionist Banking non-Muslim fraudsters of the New World order.
    2/ Use evidence from Islamic teachings, twisted, distorted, extended and ultimately changed into the opposite of Islam.
    3/ Take control of all opposition by all means including spying, torture, imprisonment, assassination, previously used by the dictators, but now more dangerous because you thought this organisation was Muslim.
    4/ Possession is 9/10ths of the Law. Manipulate elections as before.
    5/ The Egyptian public is now waking up to something I have known for a long time, that political Islam represents no safety to those practising Muslims who abide by Islamic law, because they will push those Muslims beyond what they can bear, and spy on them when they resort to un-Islamic coping mechanisms.

    In other words they target the strong of faith, who represent the main intellectual opposition to their power. That is why US policy in Pakistan results in the extermination by drones etc of good Muslims, labelling them as terrorists, when they are in fact traditional Muslims who do not want to collaborate politically with the enemies of Islam.

    Mursi is like a nail in a tyre. Over the centuries Islam has had many potential, self-seeking, despots puncturing its integrity. His strategy is not new. It has been seen many times before. the dilemma is whether to pull the nail out immediately you find it before checking the spare tyre, which might leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere?

    Or do you pull it out later for instance at the arrival of Imam Mahdi or Jesus pbuh, sometime in the future? The problems of Islam repeat themselves over and over, all arising from personal ambition and all resulting mass slaughter. OK another generation of madmen has found a way to gain power. So what? This will result in all the same problems that collaborating with the enemies of Islam resulted in before. Dumbos.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Dominik Suter has a website, ostensibly to deflect the accusations, but really doesn’t address the recorded facts. Unfortunately, godlikeproductions and Alex Jone’s site are amongst the googles.

    But thanks for the 5 dancers reference, that gives me something.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    I inadvertently broke my vow on the other thread, so for better or worse, I can now respond directly, if I so choose, fwiw.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    Thanks Dreoilin for Paul’s link; the Bin Laden parable enters folk lore, only the account of a brave neighbor, Muhammad Bashir, who hid on the roof of his house to witness the raid at abbottabad remains in the annals of truth.

    This is his story:

    00:59 Muhammad Bashir: I.. today… would like to comment about todays Abotabad operation events, until now, what I am about to say, no person has said.

    01:08: Reporter: But, Muhammad Bashir sahib appeared frightened. While speaking to me, Muhammad Bashir sahib phoned his
    relative; leader, M.E.A. of Jamaat-e-islami, Abotabad, Abdul Razaq Abaasi on the phone.

    01:21: reporter: Tell me your name and where do you live?
    Muhammad Bashir: – One minute, first I need to speak to him…I am going to give an interview, a complete interview. Shall I give a
    complete interview or half?
    Reporter: Complete! – complete!
    Muhammad Bashir: I first need to phone him, I need to speak to him
    Reporter: I could of…

    01:39: Reporter: Muhammad Bashir sahib, on that night’s events of the American operation, that took place, he expressed such comments about circumstances that have never been expressed before, therefore, we checked his ID card, his place of residence and we can confirm that he definitely lives there and we also approached senior politicians and asked about him, after hearing his comments, we were amazed – now you watch what he said.

    01:57: Muhammad Bashir: The events that happened are thus; we were awake, we were not asleep.
    02:00: Muhammad Bashir: a Helicopter came, and circled and dropped some people there.
    02:07: Muhammad Bashir: in that house… where they are saying; Osama lives here, on that house’s roof, they dropped people, after that, the helicopter returned and went back.
    02:16: Reporter: How many people were they?
    02:18: Muhammad Bashir: They were ten, twelve people
    02:20: Muhammad Bashir: After that it left and for approximately 20 minutes, there behind us, on those mountains, it kept going around, the top of the mountains.
    02:27: After 20 minutes, it returned. When it returned, at that time there were TWO more helicopters arrived. One came
    from the West and one came from the North. When it approached for landing, after that…

    At this point;Video cut and resumed:

    02:41: Muhammad Bashir: that helicopter, there was an explosion within it and there was fire within it, immediately, we
    came out and arrived there. When we arrived, the helicopter was on fire, it was burning. After that, about twenty
    minutes later the Army arrived, the police arrived. They moved all of us back…
    03:04: Muhammad Bashir: …and all the people inside it, all of them…we think; if Osama was inside it, or inside this house – then who took him to the Americans?
    03:16: Muhammad Bashir: Because America…the helicopters that America is saying; IT carried out the operation. If
    America did this operation and it’s army came and it’s helicopter came, then that helicopter that came from the
    American’s, within that, all the people that came, those people with the explosion were finished, got destroyed!
    03:35: Muhammad Bashir: Within it, there was fire, those people, all of them died!
    03:39: and if Osama was there, they would have put him in the helicopter. Obviously, if the helicopter caught fire,
    Osama could have died there. If their own people were gone, (dead) so could have Osama. After that, the fallen helicopter was
    destroyed after this, how can Osama be, with them in America? this is a strange thing!

    Video cut & resumes
    03:59: Muhammad Bashir: They are saying we killed Osama here. After that, they picked him up and took him away.
    04:04: Muhammad Bashir: PICKED HIM UP AND TOOK HIM AWAY – how did they do this? This, what we are thinking!
    04:07: Muhammad Bashir: The Americans’ helicopter that came, that fell here and got destroyed!
    04:09: Reporter: There was only ONE helicopter?
    04:11: Muhammad Bashir: ONE helicopter landed down here, the second helicopter came from above and went towards Mansera.
    It did not land. No second helicopter landed!
    04:20: Only ONE helicopter, that first dropped it’s passengers, the SAME returned to pick the people and there was an
    explosion within it.
    04:27: Reporter: People were inside it?
    04:29: Muhammad Bashir: People were inside it!
    04:30: Reporter: How do you know this?
    04:32: Muhammad Bashir: These people, we seen them all
    04:34: Reporter: In the helicopter… you saw dead people?
    04:36: Muhammad Bashir: We saw dead people!
    04:38: Reporter:How many people?
    04:39: Muhammad Bashir: This, we could not count, within the compound there was fire.
    04:43: Muhammad Bashir: and we… the gate was open, we entered the gate, at that time the Army had not arrived.
    04:48: Muhammad Bashir: Police had not arrived. Some people from the agencies, were present, but they did not prevent
    anybody, they kept entering, every person was looking , now, nobody is saying, but everyone from the mohalla (neighbourhood) and all the people present from the mohalla arrived first. We saw the gate open, we entered inside,
    saw the burning helicopter, the people inside were dead. After that everything was lifted. Now, there is nothing there!
    05:16: Reporter: How many dead bodies did you see?
    05:18: Muhammad Bashir: Look, you cannot count, the dead bodies were in pieces everything else was broken pieces, some
    here, some there, some broken, some half, some like this.
    05:27: Reporter: Tell me fully – what happened?
    06:30: Reporter: Tell me the full events
    05:31: Muhammad Bashir: I told you, this is…
    05:32: Reporter: You did not…I cannot believe this, that’s why.
    05:36: Muhammad Bashir: Look, what I have said – that’s it!

    Video Cut!
    05:39: Reporter: When you saw the American craft, (Helicopter) what did you think, why they came here?
    05:42: Muhammad Bashir: We thought… this is it…why did they came? we thought why did they come? maybe..we… did not
    expect them to do anything, we thought maybe our Army is arriving at some centre and the army people were sleeping,
    there was no explosions or events taking place, nothing was happening, everybody was sleeping, for 20 minutes or so…
    06:05: Reporter: The craft landed in front of your house, how did you feel about this?
    06:08: Muhammad Bashir: I thought..just…understand…imagine..we thought we’re dead!

    Video cut:
    06:13: Reporter: But, how did the Americans return?
    06:16: Muhammad Bashir: This is what I am saying; their Craft came and the helicopter was destroyed, HOW, could they return?
    06:22: Reporter: Tell me this; you say, that you saw the dead bodies yourself….
    06:25: Muhammad Bashir: one more thing, Madam, may I tell you;The people who were dropped from the craft, That walkway … that
    ..where our gates are…they banged them hard…and shouted… don’t come out…don’t do this, don’t do that, if you come
    out you will be shot..we will do this, we will do that, all the people who were dropped, all of them spoke Pashtu
    (Afgahni Language) – Pakhtun!
    06:49: Reporter: Who were these people?
    06:49: Muhammad Bashir: This I do not know! Those who were dropped from the craft (helicopter), those people.
    06:54: Reporter: This, somebody else told me – that they spoke Pashtu.
    06:57: Muhammad Bashir: They WERE Pashtun! we do not know if they were working for the Americans, we do not know if they
    were working for Pakistan, we do not know if they were army people or civilian, what people, BUT they SPOKE PASHTU!
    07:07: Reporter: You said you heard they were asking for Osama?
    07:09: Muhammad Bashir: No, they didn’t ask me about Osama, they just said, do not come out, if you come out from your
    house, we will shoot you!
    07:16: Reporter: Were these Pakistani people?
    Muhammad Bashir: who?
    07:18: Reporter: The ones who were saying that if you come out, we will shoot you.
    07:20: Muhammad Bashir: They said that in Pashtu!
    07:22: Reporter: so did they..were you coming out…exactly where were you, where was you standing when this happened?
    07:26: Muhammad Bashir: Inside the house, on top of the roof, I was not in the house, just on top of the (flat)roof
    07:29: Reporter: from Above the roof these people in the helicopter…
    07:30: Muhammad Bashir: I was on the roof, sitting, no, lying down, on the roof,lying and watching this and what was
    happening
    07:37: Reporter: Fear, was you not afraid? did you not think to phone someone?
    07:40: Muhammad Bashir: From the house, They were calling me from downstairs, the children were calling me, come down,
    come down, and I told them stop making noise! go into your rooms, I am watching what is happening. Afterwards, I found
    out about this, that, Osama was killed here!
    07:53: Reporter: How did you get inside? (the compound)
    Muhammad Bashir: where?
    Reporter: when there was fire.
    Muhammad Bashir: the gate was open, when there was fire, the gate was open.
    08:02: Reporter: The house gate was open?
    08:03: Muhammad Bashir: The outer gate, the big gate, was open.
    08:06: Reporter: You came from upstairs to downstairs?
    08:08: Muhammad Bashir: I came down, from my own house into the gulley, I didn’t go alone inside the other house, 200 other people went inside! Everybody saw it!
    08:15: Reporter: All 200 saw the dead bodies?
    08:17: Muhammad Bashir: Everybody saw this.Whoever went inside they saw everything!
    08:20: Reporting:the events at that time that are in your mind, please express them.
    08:28: Muhammad Bashir: I have told you this and this, in my mind, this is what I have seen, when we were there, when we
    entered the gate, When the helicopter exploded, it scattered everywhere, one piece fell over there, one fell here, one
    here, a lot of pieces fell in the gulley outside, they reached up to the gulley and our house and also some pieces managed to reach onto my roof. so, the area of the open space there (in front of the house) is about four Kanal in
    size. It is a very large compound. You cannot see all of it from one location. Four Kanal is a big area, only in a small area you could possibly see everything. There I saw some people, in broken pieces, someone’s leg, someone’s arm,
    someone’s torso, someone’s head. Beside this, I did not see intensely, who are they, how are they, because I thought that one of our own craft had fallen and the people within it were our own people. Because they spoke Pashtu they could be pakistani.
    09:35: Muhammad Bashir: but language does not necessarily mean.. by speaking it…the American language could be spoken, the agents can speak all sorts of languages. It could be that it is the American army and they could speak Pashtu and the people would think that it is our own people.
    09:54: Reporter: Seeing the dead bodies – did you not feel fear?
    09:57: Muhammad Bashir: But we were thinking about ourselves at the time, but seeing the dead bodies who felt frightened?
    10:00: Reporter: When you went inside, what did you do after that, how did you come out?
    10:02: Muhammad Bashir: we came out, our Army reached there, when the army arrived, they moved all the people back. Move
    aside, move aside! So we moved aside.Then they closed the area down.
    10:13: Reporter: did Rais see this?
    Muhammad Bashir: What?
    Reporter: where was your cousin?
    10:18: Muhammad Bashir: My cousin was at that time in the house.
    10:20: Reporter: Did he go with you?
    10:21: Muhammad Bashir: He was with me, but I did not notice when he was picked up.
    10:28: Reporter: Has he returned yet?
    10:29: Muhammad Bashir: Yes, he has returned. They picked him up and took him away.
    10:32: Reporter: What is he saying?
    10:34:Muhammad Bashir: I have not met him yet, he is at home they will not let him come out, we are not allowed to visit him, they will not let him come out.We have not met.
    10:40: Reporter: You was not able find out, but since when have you been allowed out.
    10:45: Muhammad Bashir: I did not go home, by going home…
    Reporter:You have seen the fire you have seen the bodies how long did you stay there?
    Muhammad Bashir: approximately, after five or six minutes, I left and came out..five, six minute..what happened …. the reason we left, was that after we entered, there was another small explosion, I do not know if the engine fail and
    there was another fire, it was a small explosion, after this explosion all the people ran out.
    11:06: Muhammad Bashir: when we went out, nobody let us go back in again.
    11:11: Reporter: Besides you, why is nobody else saying these things? why are you alone in this?
    11:16: Muhammad Bashir: Look, what we have seen, that is what we are saying and we are speaking for this reason that, we are sad that such humble and nice people of our town, that has never seen such events, no fighting, no arguments, no animosity, No murders, such nice people of ours in this town and they have been branded as terrorists.
    11:43: Reporter: Tell me; two helicopters came, lifted and took the rest of the people?
    11:46:Muhammad Bashir: No – they did not take the rest of the people, because they did not even land, One came from the West and it left towards the North, the one that came from the North, left towards the South. They did not land!

    12:00: Studio Reporter: these events that we showed you from Abotabad, there are many more things that we discovered about the compound where OBL was staying, there were vegetables planted there, what kind of vegetables, the person who grows the vegetables is the cousin of this person (Muhammad Bashir), whose interview we have shown. An extraordinary
    thing that he has said and he has sworn repeatedly on the veracity of his statement. this is from his own account and upon this account do view this. Yesterday we found out and it has been confirmed that there were two Ashfaq’s who lived there (in the compound):Mr Arshad and Mr Tariq who went shopping locally and used to buy international brands, the items they found in the house, dry dates, dried meat and things like this, this person who you saw in the
    interview in his house there was food from OBL’s house, he was given Kaabli Pillau (Rice) and such items were presented to him, There the view of local mosque people, what they think of OBL all these things we will present to
    you in an exclusive program an important newsbeat, todays time is finishing, do write to us at [email protected] where you can get other information as well and you can join us at newsbeat with Fareeha Idrees thats my favourite bit, do
    write to us, the time is up now, By your permission to leave, take care of yourself, In Allah’s care.

    13:20: Reporter: I am now at standing in front of Abdullah Bin Zubair Mosque, this is the same mosque that is within walking distance from OBL’s house. Are you saying that if people found out that OBL was living here, would they be happy?
    1st man: Possibly, people could be happy.
    2nd man: He wasn’t living here, but he was a Muslim, he believed in Allah.

  • Cryptonym

    Unable to trace the photo now (probably Chris Bollyn site) but as the individuals concerned have appeared regularly on Israeli TV and have said they were sent in advance to film ‘the event’ there is no question on prior knowledge. More interesting is the large airbrushed graphics/mural on each side of their confiscated and destroyed van, which showed the New York skyline, the twin towers and you’ve guessed probably, a large passenger jet barrelling towards them.

  • resident dissident

    @ John Goss

    “Worst of all is the Grand Masters of the banking brotherhood, the Rothschilds.”

    And where is your analysis to support this statement – if you knew anything about modern banking you would know that Rothschild’s are a relative minor player. Before you fall for such garbage perhaps you should look a little more closely at who is providing you with such details – and their past history in making similar claims.

  • mike

    The Sunday Herald in Scotland also covered the 5 dancing Israelis. Their investigations editor Neil Mackay wrote it.
    Love the beeb’s bombs “shake Syrian suburbs” today. At least 34 dead, including women and children. That’s some shaking right enough.
    “Dozens of civilians killed by Syrian opposition” isn’t quite the regime-changing headline the imperium is looking for.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    In October 2000 a conversation was supposedly overheard by an IDF retiree in a New Jersey cemetary. The only corroboration I see is through Muckrakerreport, whose link has become some sort of merchants search engine.

    http://rense.com/general74/heard.html

    Anyone have anything on Gomel Chesed matter?

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Cryptonym; Forgot to thank you for the Bollyn hint. Other than the Israeil admitting being sent to record the ‘event’, anything else to substantiate. Really, there’s been a lot of apparent ‘scrubbing’ on the internet.

  • Jay

    The House of Rothschild.
    Niall Ferguson.

    Rothschild, in short personified “a system which is responsible for the misery and desperation of millions of men.” In constructing his railways for industrial and commercial gain, rather than to promote “the fraternisarion and amalgamation of the whole human race,”

    Rothschild was thus fulfilling the “development of the bourgeouise,”

    This combination of anti-semitism and socialism would prove the most dangerous of all the threats to the Rothschilds position in the years which lay ahead.

    Page 432

    I think you will find the Rothschilds are influential with there power.

    Why not, all is fair in love and war.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Yonatan; From your links, thx

    “If such an understanding did exist between CIA and Mossad with regard to al-Qaeda’s U.S. operatives, the complicity would explain a number of oddities: it would explain the CIA’s nearly incoherent, and perhaps purposely deceptive, reconstruction of events as to how Mihdhar and Hazmi joined the watch list; it might even explain the apparent brazenness of the Israeli New Jersey cell celebrating on the morning of 9/11 (protected under the CIA wing, they were free to behave as they pleased). It would also explain the assertion in one of the leading Israeli dailies, Yedioth Ahronoth, that in the months prior to 9/11, when the Israeli “art students” were being identified and rounded up, the CIA “actively promoted their expulsion”. The implication in the Yedioth Ahronoth article was that the CIA was simply being careless, not trying to spirit the Israelis safely out of the country. At this point we cannot be certain.”

    As to the timeline…..cbs

    “The CIA took interest in hijackers Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi after they were seen at a January 2000 meeting of al Qaeda in Malaysia. Al-Hazmi could not be fully identified, but al-Mihdhar’s Saudi passport was obtained and it was noted that he had a visa to enter the United States. According to a staff report by the independent commission investigating the attacks, a CIA cable sent at this time indicated his travel documents were forwarded to the FBI, but there is no evidence proving their receipt. Al-Mihdhar’s name was put on a National Security Agency watchlist, which according to the commission, had “limited effectiveness.”

    Then, in early 2001, the CIA used photos from the Malaysia meeting to determine that a man named “Khallad” had also attended. He was believed to have been a key planner of the USS Cole bombing and was also linked to the East African embassy bombings. This tied him to al-Mihdhar, but there was no revived effort to pursue him or al-Hazmi.

    When two members of the CIA and FBI working jointly uncovered these connections, al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi were put on the State Department’s watch list for denying visas, on Aug. 23, 2001.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2316-100_162-625196-4.html

    They knew these hijackers since early 2000, but only put them on watchlist 8/2001? Sounds like they sub-contracted to Mossad, then washed their hands until they needed a cover story.

    Plausible deniability. They purloin enough pieces from the puzzle to make any who attempt to hypothesize the gaps, as crazeeee. Context requires intuition.

  • Kempe

    ” In constructing his railways for industrial and commercial gain, ”

    Can you name me anyone who built a railway for any other reason?

    The “Five Dancing Israelis” myth.

    I’ve found TWO vans with the alleged artwork. This link has pictures of both.

    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/israeli-mossads-explosive-laden-911-vans-3-vans-painted-like-911-on-911-2-with-explosives-9-israeli-spies-some-filming-events-what-the-news-doesnt-say/

    Various websites claim that both were the one stopped by the NYPD. The artwork on both is obviously fake. The Luton is quite convincing apart from the curved “Urban Moving” above the driver’s door. The angle is totally wrong. Whoever did it has also tried to disguise the fakery by blurring the whole picture but since the invention of the cheap autofocus camera ever took a picture that bad? Even the snaps I took with my 1960’s Instamatic turned out better than that. The job on the smaller van is just a joke. So bad it wouldn’t convince a blind man on a galloping horse and how is it that despite debating 9/11 for the past 11 years these pictures have only recently come to light? Is it also really likely that Mossad (or whoever) would drive around advertising the atrocity they were about to commit in such a blatant way? I don’t think so.

    Someone’s clearly having a little joke.

    Truth about Urban Moving is that they were involved in a nasty little scam. Offering to move people’s belongs across state lines but instead putting them into store and extorting hefty sums of cash from the victims if they wanted them back. Being an inter-state crime local police were powerless to act.

  • Cryptonym

    @Kempe: The large van picture hasn’t just recently surfaced, it’s been around for a long while. The smaller van pic clearly states in the graphic containing it that it is an artist’s impression based on the NYPD audio transcripts, why create an artist’s impression when photographs of the large and putative actual van exist, indeed if the fleet of UMS vans (however many it consisted of) carried the signwriting and graphic images prior to 11/9/2001.

    Sorry Clydebuilt, learned long ago not to trust newsnetscotland, they make the Guardian’s moderation policy seem laid back and relaxed, I don’t go there, there are certain grave and purely Scottish matters that nns inexplicably won’t go near. And the Hoots Mon, ’nuff said but even their monopoly local papers relish pumping some pretty vile right-wing stuff dictated from Conservative/Labour Central Office, which is jarringly out of place in such rags alongside their usual obsessions with dog dirt and the dullest activities of inbred local toffs dressed in oddly comic regalia acting out their strangest fantasies in public. These days becoming an ‘independent’ candidate is a survival strategy for the worst elements of the Scot’s Tories to conveniently lose their shameful past as Thatcher cultists. It would be helpful to summarise the gist of the articles linked than anyone actually go there.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Kempe;

    “Truth about Urban Moving is that they were involved in a nasty little scam. Offering to move people’s belongs across state lines but instead putting them into store and extorting hefty sums of cash from the victims if they wanted them back. Being an inter-state crime local police were powerless to act.”

    That’s an interesting take, but it is probably anecdotal, or rather an oral tradition you have continued, but you may want to re-check your memory.

    “It appears that goods belonging to approximately 100 consumers are stored at the warehouse. Thus far we have only heard from 36 consumers,” Herr said. “We have access to the facility for 30 days so we are urging consumers who have goods stored with Urban to contact us as soon as possible.”

    http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm

    Sounds to me, just like a terminated op. They abandoned their ‘cover’. That is all.

  • guano

    What Mursi means when he says that he needs sweeping powers in order to counteract corruption is that he wants to settle the bottoms of his own corrupt officials on the seats currently occupied by those of his predecessors’.And to use those seats of power as instruments of oppressing of ordinary people, through injudicial means of governmental control such as spying and politically motivated harrassment of those who disagree with his political aims.

  • guano

    Des Res

    Please tell us who are the important players in modern banking if you are so well informed. In my own experience the Rothschilds offer the same tacky, expensive portfolios of bad advice for investors as the other High Street banks. Who are the main players in this interest-based profession?

    In my experience, banking is not much held in dis-respect outside the UK. That is because it is an essential tool for investment, but in the UK it was used as a tool for disinvestment in UK jobs. Everybody is happy with the haram occupation of interest profit and gambling so long as the benefits are obvious and clear. People only object to the stupidities and religious illegality of the banking system when the losses to their own pockets are obvious and clear.

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