Obama Drones On 193

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Four more years of drone killings, Guantanamo, crazy FBI agent provocateur plots, whistleblower prosecutions and surveillance of citizens were going to come whoever won. Goldman Sachs funded both candidates royally. I probably prefer the slightly tempered or disguised neo-con to the red meat neo-con, but let nobody pretend it makes a vast difference.

A respected retired African President told me last week that George Bush did more for Africa than Obama. Amazingly, I believe that to be true; whatever his motives, a number of Bush initiatives pumped real money into useful African infrastructure. Obama’s relations with Africa have almost entirely revolved around location of military bases.

Perspective changes as you move around the globe.

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  • doug scorgie

    Mark Golding – Children of Conflict
    7 Nov, 2012 – 1:58 pm

    “David Cameron vowed to work with newly-reelected Barack Obama to find ways to end the bloodshed in Syria after hearing “horrendous” stories of suffering from refugees at a camp in Jordan.”

    However he did not visit the ten Palestinian refugee camps in Jordon to hear their “horrendous” stories of suffering.

    The West is, and has been for a long time, governed by war criminals.

    Ending the bloodshed in Syria, as most posters on this blog know, is a simple matter of stopping the US; UK; Israel; Saudi Arabia and Turkey supplying weapons and training to the Syrian rebels and an insistence that the rebels agree to talks, through mediators, with the Assad regime with genuine democratic changes on the table.

    This is not Messers Obama; Cameron; Netanyahu; Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz and Erdogan’s take on how to end the bloodshed. Their view is that the end (regime change) justifies the means – no matter how many innocent men, women and children die. Regime change at all costs!
    We must find a way to end all state sponsored terrorism which has taken over from diplomacy and conciliation in dealing with international conflicts: a vertical uphill challenge.

  • Villager

    Abe Rene

    “I’m glad that I’m a friend of America, because that enabled me to enjoy Obama’s victory.”

    I wonder what exactly this enjoyment entails? Do you have even the faintest idea, as a human being, the meaning of the word joy? Or beyond the word, the actual feeling?

    Sorry to awake you. Please carry on…

  • Mary

    Did you know that there are no….
    now ten enquiries taking place into child abuse? All designed to fog us so that nobody will have the slightest idea what is going on. Nobody will be brought to justice.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9661795/Independent-inquiry-to-examine-claims-of-Jersey-abuse.html

    ~~~

    The on-air presenters at the BBC are to have their contracts redrawn so that they cannot evade tax. That will upset the likes of Paxman and Bruce but the catch is that the new contracts will only come into place when their present ones expire. I expect they have all been given good notice of this to allow the exisiting contracts to be extended.

  • OldMark

    Guest- many thanks for the link @3.07PM

    The points about deteriorating educational standards and infrastructure in the US are well made. The recent ‘Superstorm’ has certainly highlighted shortcomings in the latter.

  • Ben Franklin (head honcho CIA Office for Craig Murray Operations)

    “Life would likely be marginally worse for women and minorities who live in the United States under the Republicans (though I doubt that Romney would in fact have followed that mad agenda with gusto)”

    You miss the point on Romney, Craig. The Republicans want a figurehead POTUS to ditto the Congressional Agenda.(see the NO-VETO Bush) Therefore, Romney would be irrelevant. The momentum for the right has been shifting down. Like a twenty-ton flywheel, it takes a lot of foot/lbs of energy to reverse the Juggernaut. The Framers designed the bicameral structure for slow change. That’s why you have the boiling kettle of the House of Representatives, and the cooling saucer of the Senate. You might not like it, but there it is….

  • Courtenay Barnett

    @ John Goss,

    “Mark Golding @ 1.58 p.m. I noticed that too on the news this morning and told a friend that we (the UK) were going to get involved in another Zionist war this time in Syria. And Iran will not be far behind.
    Very disturbing.”

    I don’t think that the trajectory of US foreign policy is going to deviate from the predetermined plan ( unless the US economy collapses):-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE

    Now – when someone at the top echelon of the military provides this kind of evidence – then one would not be logical to think that the same path that Clark has stated is the US plan, then we simply have to accept that the warmongering led by the US will continue.

  • Moniker

    Carelessly tried to watch the BBC News today. The prog lasts for 30 minutes. After 20 minutes, they’re still waffling about the US election. Cut to a BBC reporter in China, who is asked what the Chinese TV are saying about the US election. He practically rolls his eyes and sarcastically states that the Chinese seem to think what’s happening in their own country is as important as what’s going on in the US. Huh. Shall we get a Chinese person for the next DG of the BBC?

  • nevermind

    Agree on the smoke bombs, Mary, what we now need is ‘deliverance’ of said persons to the schafott, or apply for crowd funding of a few Cz 750M1, forget the waste of taxpayers money…

  • Mary

    First Wednesday: Trouble at the BBC – Savile, management and public trust

    November 7, 2012 7:00 PM

    The last time the BBC set up an internal inquiry of the scale of the Pollard Inquiry it resulted in a shake up that saw the resignation of the Director General and the Chairman. Nearly ten years on from the Hutton Inquiry pressure is again mounting at the BBC and there are calls for those at the top to “fall on their swords”.

    Join us as we ask whether the criticism levelled at the BBC and its management is fair and how damaging it could be. Does the failure to adequately justify and explain the reasons for dropping the Newsnight investigation into Jimmy Savile’s past point to a larger problem with decision-making at the BBC?

    Chaired by Steve Hewlett, a writer, broadcaster and media consultant.

    With:

    Sian Kevill, runs independent production company, Make World Media. Previously she was editor of the BBC’s Newsnight programme where she won two BAFTA and two RTS awards, she also worked on BBC World News where she had overall editorial responsibility.

    Stewart Purvis, professor of television journalism at City University London. He is a former Editor-in-Chief and CEO of ITN, and Ofcom’s partner for content and standards.

    David Elstein, chairman of the board of openDemocracy Ltd and of the Broadcasting Policy Group. Previously he launched Channel 5, worked for Sky as head of programming and began his career at the BBC as a producer and director.

    Jean Seaton, Professor of media history at the University of Westminster.

  • Mary

    That is at the Frontline Club. They usually film these events and put up a video online later

  • Vronsky

    Reality check on ObamaCare. My sister-in-law in Utah has discovered that if she and her husband wish to retire (both early 60s) they will need a joint income of $40,000 a year just to pay for health insurance.

  • resident dissident

    @John Goss

    “Hopefully the more rational countries with muscle, Russia and China,”

    I feel your pain at seeing all these “free and fair” elections in countries where it is permitted to express different viewpoints without fear for your life. Weren’t you the joker who was linking to Russia Today so as to receive undistorted eulogies on your comrades in North Korea?

    Some of us actually prefer our irrational democracies to your rationality.

  • guest

    “Syria is an enduring project. This is a leaked joint US-UK intelligence file:

    “In order to facilitate the action of liberative [sic] forces… a special effort should be made to eliminate certain key individuals [and] to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria. CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals… a necessary degree of fear… frontier and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention… the CIA and SIS should use… capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension.”

    That was written in 1957,”

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-liberal-way-to-run-the-world-improve-or-we-ll-kill-you

  • Mary

    And in 1982, this from Oded Yinon. Find/search for the word SYRIA. Syria comes in 18 times.

    A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties
    by Oded Yinon

    This essay originally appeared in Hebrew in KIVUNIM (Directions), A Journal for Judaism and Zionism; Issue No, 14–Winter, 5742, February 1982, Editor: Yoram Beck. Editorial Committee: Eli Eyal, Yoram Beck, Amnon Hadari, Yohanan Manor, Elieser Schweid. Published by the Department of Publicity/The World Zionist Organization, Jerusalem.

    At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad. This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known. That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions. The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs.

    /..

    http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0005345.html

  • John Goss

    Resident Dissident

    I don’t normally entertain trolls but in the interests of freedom of expression I refer you to British-born subjects Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmad who are accused of having connections with a website in 1998 (if my memory serves). Each have been in English jails for more than 6 years and 8 years respectively without charge before being extradited to solitary confinement in the good old US of A, another free country with a Gulag in Cuba which has contained some 800 prisoner. Only one of these has been tried and convicted of anything. Thank God for your democracy. Jokers come in all colours. Ask to borrow one of your friend’s mirror.

  • Mary

    Well said John. Your namesake writes of the US Gulag and one US citizen Dr Rafil Dhafir.

    The Political Trial of a Caring Man and the End of Justice in America
    By John Pilger

    November 07, 2012 “Information Clearing House” –

    [..]
    That was 1997, more than five years before George W. Bush and Tony Blair invaded Iraq for reasons they knew were fabricated. The bloodshed they caused, according to recent studies, is greater than that of the Rwanda genocide.

    On 26 February 2003, one month before the invasion, Dr. Rafil Dhafir, a prominent cancer specialist in Syracuse, New York, was arrested by federal agents and interrogated about the charity he had founded, Help the Needy. Dr. Dhafir was one of many Americans, Muslims and non-Muslims, who for 13 years had raised money for food and medicines for sick and starving Iraqis who were the victims of sanctions. He had asked US officials if this humanitarian aid was legal and was assured it was — until the early morning he was hauled out of his car by federal agents as he left for his surgery. His front door was smashed down and his wife had guns pointed at her head. Today, he is serving 22 years in prison.
    [..]
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32967.htm

  • Mary

    This is the wife of the then Governor of New York.

    ‘The then Governor of New York, George Pataki, called this “money laundering to help terrorist organisations … conduct horrible acts”. He described Dr. Dhafir and the supporters of Help the Needy as “terrorists living here in New York among us … who are supporting and aiding and abetting those who would destroy our way of life and kill our friends and neighbours”. For jurors, the message was powerfully manipulative. This was America in the hysterical wake of 9/11.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libby_Pataki Note her allegiance to Israel.

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