Savile and the Low Hanging Fruit 177

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Talk of “round up the usual suspects”. Gary Glitter and Freddie Starr are not even low-hanging fruit for the Met, they are windfalls.

Jimmy Savile’s behaviour was evidently priapistic, and his predeliction for under-age sex, it is plain, was indulged continually in semi-public situations. The risk or exposure, or the thrill of his own incredible immunity, appear to have been part of the enjoyment.

I do not accept that there were two Jimmy Saviles; that one, the open pervert, only appeared when he was with the conveniently already discredited Gadd and Starr, and the other entirely respectable Savile was the friend of Royalty, senior politicians and public servants and entirely blameless in his behaviour. It seems to me much more intrinsically probable that the mutual indulgence of shared vices was the stuff of his friendships in both groups.

Savile’s elevation into the social elite brought him the immunity from prosecution for sexual exploitation that social elites always appear to enjoy. The “posh” part of Savile’s social circle continues to be protected, while Glitter and Starr will satisfy the public mood for revenge.

I am sure there is a great deal more to know than Glitter and Starr. I fear we shall never be permitted to know it.

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  • Jerôme

    According to today’s Guardian, Lord McAlpine “now lives in
    Italy”.

    Bit disappointing, actually, as you’d have expected one of the architects of Thatcherism to lay his old bones to rest in the country he helped create. But there you are….

    Does anyone happen to know (1) WHEN he moved to Italy and (2) the given reason(s) ?

  • tony roma

    Habbabkuk
    Habbabkuk
    wants a child like savile to

    another masonic child wrangler of zion.
    go kiss the feet of your master netanyahooli

  • tony roma

    what a sick world
    a boy who was raped as a child and names nobody on tv has to say sorry to someone he never named on bbc tv.
    no mention of why the lord in question was named in an original police file or interviewed as part of the Waterhouse Inquiry.
    or why a lord would pay a brief to gather information about the inquiry.
    why should a victim of sodomy have to say sorry and be threatened.
    if lord mcalpine is innocent he4 needs to sue the police and the members of the waterhouse enquiry and anyone else connected with the investigation.
    but no we see attack the victim as a form of defence.
    nobody is talking about rape in care homes today,kidnap and death rendition of children in and out of the country.
    the bbc as a branch of m15.
    just shill scofields pm stunts,bbc bozos resigning and rape victim saying sorry.
    good work.
    80 years of tavistock techniques are doing satan’s work and doing it well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS7l6i4w11U&feature=fvst

  • Courtenay Barnett

    @ Phil,

    ” @Courtenay Barnett
    Didn’t you claim to be a lawyer a few days ago? Which makes your link even more surprising.:

    Tell me what you need to know and I will respond.

  • tony roma

    AN APPY POLLY LOGGY
    AN APOLOGY
    A MEA CULPA
    A SINCERE APOLOGY WITH REMORSE REGRET AND HUMBLE MASTER AND SERVENT OBEDIENCE.

    I AM SORRY I REALLY AM.
    LAST WEEK I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PRESS.
    IT WAS AGREED THAT I WOULD NOT NAME NAMES TO PROTECT THE REPUTATIONS OF IMPORTANT LORDS AND LADIES.
    I DID NOT NAME NAMES BECAUSE OF THE LIBEL LAWS AND THE SLIM CHANCE OF ANY CHILD RAPE CASE COMING TO COURT.
    SO I DID NOT NAME NAMES.
    THE BBC ALSO AGREED TO NOT NAME NAMES AND THEY DID NOT.

    I AM CONFUSED I DID NOT REALISE THAT BY NOT NAMING NAMES.
    I DID NOT UNDERSTAND BY NOT NAMING THE NAME THAT I DID NOT NAME, I WOULD THEN BE OPEN TO THREAT AND PROSECUTION AND MEDIA ABUSE BECAUSE OF MY CALLOUS EVIL ACT OF NOT NAMING NAMES.
    MYSELF AND THE BBC ARE CLOSER TO ARE OWN DESTRUCTION THAN YOU CAN KNOW.
    I AM SORRY THE BBC IS SORRY,MR WATSON AND PHILLIP SCOFIELD IS SORRY.
    NONE OF US WANTED TO HURT AND DESTROY THE HAPPY FAMILIES AND THE REPUTATIONS OF ARE SUPERORS IT WAS ARE IGNORANCE THAT WAS AT FAULT.
    WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF NOT NAMING NAMES.
    THE MERE SUGGESTION THAT A SECRET CABAL OF RICH MEN MOVE CHILDREN AROUND IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY LIKE CATTLE IS PURE IKEIAN FORUM CONSPIRACY TITTLE TATTLE.
    AS A VICTIM OF SODOMY I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY WISH THAT THE INTERNET BE CONTROLLED AND SHUT DOWN IN PLACES TO PROTECT THE LORDS AND SENSITIVE LADIES OF OLDE ENGERLUND.
    CHILDREN MAKE UP STORIES THAT IS WHY WE NEED THEM IN NSPCC CHILDLINE HOMES.
    ONCE WITHIN THEY CAN MAKE AS MUCH NOISE AND TELL AS MANY STORIES AS THEY WANT, AS THEY WILL NOT BE SEEN OR HEARD.
    THANK GOD WE ARE NOW BACK ON TRACK.
    PRAISE BE THE STATUS QUO
    THANK YOU MR BLAIR AND PRIME MINISTER CAM MORON
    GOD BLESS THE QUEEN.

  • tony roma

    Letter to Tom Watson from Rob Wilson a close friend but no funny stuff honest of jeremy mr stamina hunt..

    seems like they want watson to shut up or else

    Quote:
    9th November 2012
    Dear Tom,

    Over recent days we have all been shocked by revelations about child abuse, from Jimmy Savile, to care homes in North Wales and beyond.

    It is very clear that these allegations are of the utmost seriousness and must be fully and independently investigated – no matter who may be involved. I agree with you that it was right a fresh police inquiry into allegations regarding the North Wales care home be launched.

    MPs can and do play a vital role in bringing such matters to public attention. However, as a result of your repeated and sensationalist public claims of the involvement in abuse of ‘a senior aide of a former Prime Minister’, ‘a former cabinet minister’, and alleged abuse taking place in ‘Downing Street’, several people who vigorously protest their innocence have been widely named on the internet as paedophiles. I am sure you understand the effect on their lives of such allegations, if untrue. Some of them have been besieged by the media, causing distress to their families and neighbours.

    As I am sure you agree, unfounded allegations could lead to innocent lives being damaged – or even destroyed. So, in the interests of the innocent, I am asking you to exercise caution and be sure that you can fully substantiate allegations yourself before making them in public. I fully respect your motives, but it is important that you do not add to unsubstantiated rumours by publicly repeating them.

    Your concerns are in the public domain and there are now two independent inquiries. Given that you have stated that investigations are ‘a job for the police’, I am asking you to take any additional information of any wrongdoing straight to the police as a matter of urgency. They are best placed to get the truth and avoid any perception of a cover-up.

    I trust that you and otherss will appreciate that this is now the correct course of action to uncover any perpetrators of truly awful crimes.

    I am placing this letter in the public domain.

    Yours ever,

    Rob Wilson MP
    http://cdn2.spectator.co.uk/files/20…n-09-11-12.pdf

    Tom Watsons reply to Rob Wilson;

    Quote:
    11th November 2012

    Dear Rob,

    Thank you for your recent letter which I read online yesterday.

    I appreciate your concern for the heat to be taken out of the public debate around this issue but as you have raised this with me publicly, I feel duty bound to explain that which I had wished to remain private.

    Your central point is that any allegations I receive should go to the police. I am not sure why you have assumed that this is not happening. You are wrong, in any case.

    It remains the case that the documents seized in the investigation into paedophile Peter Righton provide clear intelligence suggesting a child abuse ring that links to a former aide of a Prime Minister. In fact this was my sole focus when the matter was raised with the PM in the House. My concern was not the shortcomings of the previous inquiry into North Wales and at the time I was not aware of any allegations made about politicians relating to North Wales.

    This is also why I believe the terms of reference for the inquiry announced by the Home Secretary are inadequate and at some point in the future will have to be broadened, as I told the Home Secretary on Tuesday.

    As you know, I have some history with the Metropolitan police. We now know that during the hacking scandal, the organisation was sitting on a vast amount of intelligence that provided clear evidential leads suggesting much wider criminal wrongdoing.

    In raising the matter with the PM I was seeking to ensure that the new team at the Met were aware that there could be clear intelligence held by them that would warrant a second look in this case too. I believe this is now happening.

    Since raising the issue with the PM, a number of other allegations have been made of which I have made the police aware.

    My concern is that the institutions that are there to protect vulnerable children may have historically failed. I do not know why this is the case but seek to understand it. This will take time and I would welcome your ideas as to how child protection policy can be improved in years to come.

    The former child protection specialist who raised his concerns with me did so because after the Murdoch scandal, he felt I was prepared to speak out on a perceived injustice and see it through to the end – no matter where the evidence leads and whoever it affects and regardless of political persuasion. I should point out to you that my few public statements regarding an alleged child abuse ring have taken pains not to identify the political affinity of the suspected perpetrators. Nor have I at any point, publicly identified the time period to which the allegations apply. This is not a fit subject for point scoring.

    I hope you now understand that I am fully co-operating with the police and that I will not let this matter drop regardless of what pressure is bought to bear by those that seek to undermine legitimate inquiry.
    http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/…-rob-wilson-mp

  • doug scorgie

    The British security services use drug dealers, prostitutes, paedophiles and all sorts of underworld scumbags as intelligence assets. The police do the same but it is usually (but not always) in a genuine attempt to catch Mr big i.e. “using a sprat to catch a mackerel.”

    The security services however are not interested in bringing criminals to justice, rather they use them to gain intelligence on individuals of interest, especially those in positions of power; senior police officers, judges; MPs; ministers; journalists; Whitehall officials; Unions; peace protesters etc.

    Information is power and compromising information has even more power and can be used to control any silly MP who may want an ethical foreign policy or justice for Palestinians or to tax the rich. It can also be used to control union leaders or high profile political activists.

    “Tasty” information that is used against these people include: adultery; homosexuality; sexual predation allegations; paedophilia; downloading child pornography; financial crimes and any other character-destroying information; whether true or not.

    This is how our elected parliament and the separation of powers, needed in any democracy, are undermined. They are undermined by an unelected super-elite comprising past and present members of the military; the police; the House of Lords; Whitehall; ex-Prime Ministers; the super-rich and of course, the Royal Family. The glue that holds this amalgam together is MI5 and MI6 with a bit of help from the Special Branch. None of these people have any democratic legitimacy.

    Jimmy Savile was able to get close to anybody and everybody in the political hierarchy and the Royal family over the last fifty years. He wasn’t a man of great charm or charisma so how did he manage that, now then, now then?

    The purpose of the special branch and the security services is to protect the state at all costs and by all means. True democracy; separation of powers and transparency in government are regarded as a threat by this unelected and unaccountable super-elite.

    Jimmy Savile must have been one of their most prized assets. At least fifty years of sexual offences against children and no proper investigations or criminal charges brought against him. This indicates to me that he was being protected by those on high and, perhaps in reward, he was allowed to continue abusing children with a guarantee of immunity as he worked to lure other people in positions of power into a trap, constructed by the security services, for the purposes of blackmail to control parliament.

    Prince Charles sent a box of cigars and gold cufflinks to Jimmy Savile in 2006 with a note saying “Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that.”

    “Ow’s about that then?

  • thatcrab

    Thankyou Doug for a post to the heart of these matters.

    I looked to check on this note “Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country Jimmy…”
    and found it in this Guardian article

    I think, taking Craigs comment into account “i fear we may never be allowed to find out” – that possible involvement of high Royalty may be practically impossible to establish, much less to prosecute, because they have just too many protections.

    I have always been more than a little suspicious about Diana’s death too. But even the circles of royalty do not seem to be as alien and cohesive as i would expect, and as unbounded occultive narratives proclaim – The Guardian article is strengthened by a comment from a senior royal aide, who i would expect to just keep quiet if morals and practices in that area are as inhuman as they are conspicuously rendered in places.

    Last week a former senior royal aide said Savile’s behaviour when he visited Charles’s official home at St James’s Palace was a cause for “concern and suspicion”. Dicky Arbiter, spokesman for the Queen between 1988 and 2000, said Savile used to rub his lips up the arms of Charles’s young female assistants as a greeting.

    It seems to be the case, most we can do about the possibility or degree of ill spirits in these royal and secret service realms, is to pursue it where we can and impeach it with reason, cultural conciousness, from outside, and hope and appeal to the people inside their fortresses to sort their houses out. I dont see any way to affect these monsterous secret and powerful historical arrangements than to reach out to remnants and renaissance of goodness within them, as far as each can. But most cant reach far, especially those who damn the whole lot. Damnable though many may find others and some even themselves.

  • Cryptonym

    “Prince Charles sent a box of cigars and gold cufflinks to Jimmy Savile in 2006 with a note saying “Nobody will ever know what you have done for this country Jimmy. This is to go some way in thanking you for that.”

    This is in no way defending Savile. The Savile narrative according to Savile on the BBC’s Desert Island Discs is that he was a conscripted Bevin Boy and was trapped and fearfully injured in the pits during or after the war (conscription to the mines continued till 1948). Still seems singular praise if for that, and due also to tens of thousands of others.

    I haven’t had the motivation to listen over to this, since these very public revelations, though when I did hear it a good while ago, I was aware of credible allegations then.

  • Kempe

    Savile used his charity work to deflect attention away from his private life but it’s not uncommon for paedophiles to get away with abuse for long periods. There have been several cases brought to trial recently of elderly men who abused children 30-40 years ago in fact it almost seems to be the norm. Usually it’s simply because the victims are intimidated or too embarassed to come forward.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/26/reginald-davies-jailed-child-abuse

  • jonny 2 jons

    Some wit referred to Craig as a Machiavellian shill (Al-Hilli) comments,when it seems the Lord is a bit of an expert in the Princes ways. As usual I smell rats.

  • Kempe

    According to his Wiki entry (yeah I know..) Lord MacAlpine and his wife run a B&B in southern Italy. Doesn’t sound much like the lifestyle of a multi-millionaire.

    Private Eye claims that Messham has variously claimed to have been abused by the “senior Tory” 12 times, 3 or 4 times or 3 times. At the Waterhouse Enquiry it’s said he refused to talk about the man called MacAlpine and claimed that he was already dead.

    Make of that what you will.

  • A Node

    Definitely off topic, sorry

    I’ve just sneaked into this quiet thread to test how to attach an avatar to my posts, and whether an animated gif will be accepted (probably not).

  • Shelock H.

    Hello, sorry for disturbing your discussion here for a second…. can see eg Kempe here who’s over there ata CM’s Annecy blog as well.
    Q: Has the site been closed, or are there maintanances going on?? Any idea??
    Thanks for your reply

    Good luck @ all

  • thatcrab

    Site has been open, I think activity is just a sporadic affair Shelock. The format is more suited to dynamic open contribution to Craigs hot topics, than continuous reporting.
    For myself ive been reading comments on the Gaza crisis and plagerising the good ones into other forums where there is more need. Im also avoiding familiar chat, because in proportion to my contributions ive done more than enough of that. The more varied the comments for hot topics the better in my opinion.

    cheers

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