I am delighted that a new canpaign has started today against the state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry, especially as this campaign originates in Germany, where a significant portion of society appears to have finally woken up to the reality of the German government’s appalling complicity in the Nazi style regime and atrocities of Karimov.
However in the UK it remains the case that since the coalition government came to power, there has not been one single government statement on the human rights atrocities in Uzbekistan or – even more damning of our sham democracy – one single statement or question from New Labour.
Thanks for that Mark G. Tonight the BBC is opening the tear ducts, as Syrian civilians fleeing the onslaught of hard line Islamic rebels paid for by Saudi and Quatari paymasters and their own army’s responses. Russians are leaving the country as well
Poor Jordan has to cope with the enormous influx and share their meagre resources with the refugees,
These same Saudi’s and their western allies who trained these Sheitans should pay for the UNHCR tents and the food that is needed, not the world community, they have brought Syria to this point and heaped death and destruction on Syria, trying to goad Iran into the melee.
Off course the BBC had to show the unfortunate death of a young newborn to make the point and the UNHCR spokesperson could only speak of not having enough money to supply the flood of refugees.
“I shouldn’t think so, don’t worry about it.”
Thanks Glenn; I think I have a slight complex, as I’m sured that two of Mary’s previous trolls both vanished straight after an exchange with me, which of course was hardly a lost, but in Komodo’s case it would certainly be so.
Habbabkuk
24 Jan, 2013 – 11:21 am
Touched a nerve there did I Habbabkuk?
Nice post Mark Golding @6:20pm
“Even an addled or brainless mind has worked out the ‘war on terror’ is really a war on Islam and Muslims.”
But its a war on domestic populations also, non-muslims alike -for our minds. To drag all along as accomplices with whatever criminal enterprises – theft and killing primarily – states in our tarnished names engage. Some less easily from hard experience refuse to buy into such an unlikely contention that there aren’t shades of grey, and no one has a monopoly on right or wrong, good or bad, entitlement or recompense. Strength of religious sky pixie belief systems a useful measure of just how easy or tough hoodwinking and destroying victims clinging to such superstitions will be, also providing confusion and cover for what is essentially racism, old nation state warring really just extended civil wars. A people can’t be subjugated and pillaged without too some internal Quislings – present running the attacking aggressor states also, serving unknowns – who seek only personal gain and empty trappings of power than to serve the greater good of their cohorts or humanity as a whole.
Cryptonym 7.53pm,
“But its a war on domestic populations also, non-muslims alike ”
Indeed,well said.
I sometimes think the domestic fronts are actually more important to TPTB.
Joe Emersberger, who is a Canadian activist and trades unionist, has posed this question to Glenn Greenwald about that dreadful Aitkenhead hatchet piece on Julian. So far, there is no reply.
Question for Greenwald
As part of the Guardian hosted Q/A with him:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/24/glenn-greenwald-live-q-a
Will be intersting to see if it is aloowed to stand or replied to.
Please comment on the recent Decca Aitkenhead “interview” of Julian Assange. Have you encouraged the Guardian to publish a Q/A with Assange rather than these “interview” pieces where we get to read cheap shots like this?
“But when Assange appears, he seems more like an in-patient than an interviewee, his opening words slow and hesitant, the voice so cracked as to be barely audible. If you have ever visited someone convalescing after a breakdown, his demeanour would be instantly recognisable. Admirers cast him as the new Jason Bourne, but in these first few minutes I worry he may be heading more towards Miss Havisham.”
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/dec/07/julian-assange-fugitive-interview)
Her latest is very telling on Kenneth Baker’s support for Thatcher but I would imagine that what he thinks and proposes for structural changes in education is irrelevant. Gove is acting like a guided missile and will not deviate from his track.
Kenneth Baker: ‘People told me to abandon Thatcher but I stood by her’
20 Jan 2013:
The former Tory education secretary transformed the school system in the 80s. Now he has written a new book which proposes more radical changes. And Michael Gove won’t like them. He talks to Decca Aitkenhead.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jan/20/kenneth-baker-abandon-margaret-thatcher-stood-by-her
@ Mack the Knife (18h04) : as you well know (but are unwilling to admit), the point I was making at the end of my post on those vile Asian gangs now on trial for grooming and then sexually abusing young and vulnerable girls was that they would never in a million years have dared to try the same thing with Asian girls – perhaps for fear of getting a knife in their ribs, perhaps because they are also Muslims, perhaps for both those reasons. Thus it was those gangs who were in fact behaving in a racist manner by targetting – exclusively – viulnerable girls whom they considered to be white, khaffar trash.
Got it now, Macky?
@ “Doug Scorgie” (19h35); “Touched a raw nerve there did I, Habbabkuk?”
I should have thought that your experience with Lord McAlpine on this blog – first joining in the chorus of “pedophile! pedophile! and then having to beat a hasty retreat with your tail between your legs – would have taught you to keep off matters sexual for a while 🙂
“Important thought from Habbabkuk :
the bickering and bad temper whixh has become increasingly evident on this thread is, together with the basic silliness of some members of the “community”, merely an indication that this thread, together with a few of its O/T adjuncts, has run out of steam.”
Habbabkuk, you can relax. All is well. This is the normal for the state of human consciousness today. Quote from Zeitgeist:
” The real revolution is the revolution of consciousness and each one of us first needs to eliminate the divisionary, materialistic noise we have been conditioned to think is true; while discovering, amplifying, and aligning with the signal coming from our true empirical oneness. It is up to you. ”
Seems like this pettiness and bickering and not to forget rudeness and abuse is all par for the course and rooted deeply in man’s consciousness. This microcosm of this blog is no different from the macrocosm of the big bad world out there, despite how cerebral and erudite contributors here might consider themselves to be.
For some more sparks of wisdom for those interested, some extracts:
” What we are trying in all these discussions and talks here, is to see if we cannot radically bring about a transformation of the mind. *Not accept things as they are* – but to understand it, to go into it, examine it, give your heart and your mind with every thing that you have to find out. A way of living differently. But that depends on you and not somebody else. Because in this there is no teacher, no pupil. There’s no leader, there is no guru, there’s no master, no savior. You yourself are the teacher, and the pupil, you’re the master, you’re the guru, you are the leader, you are everything! And, to understand is to transform what is. ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BORmMu1quo (2 mins)
another version with interesting graphics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXzp_ZQR7Lo (3 mins)
“And to understand is to transform what is.”
Lets not fool ourselves, we are understanding nothing here. Transforming nothing. Just watching people on their ego trips but blind that we are doing it ourselves.
WARNING: THE ABOVE LINKS ARE SOUND-BITES. IF YOU WANT TO GO DEEPER START HERE-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvz3BdB2EE
Macky, i think Habbab has a point about ” it was those gangs who were in fact behaving in a racist manner by targetting – exclusively – viulnerable girls whom they considered to be white, khaffar trash.”
Here’s another disgusting report, this time on video:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9818163/Muslim-Patrol-thugs-abuse-man-in-second-vigilante-video.html
More about your earlier response to me in a bit…
Clarke, first thank you for report on last nights Assange counter-protest. Surprising that there’s no video up on youtube of the actual address. And scant reporting in the media, sensationalised by an impending movie. Strange in this 24/7 news reporting. Wishing Assange well and speedy Freedom.
Thank you also for stepping in to counsel Fred and lets hope it makes the intended difference. You made some excellent points and provided good context.
Stay well yourself.
Ben Franklin:
“This, to the tenth power, Clark. Using the ploy of correcting the record, some gain some psychic dollars by being argumentative, for it’s own sake.”
Fred’s attempt to shred:
“No we don’t.”
Sounds like the denial, contains a kernel of confession to me. Watch Ben’s assertion being proved.
“Thank you also for stepping in to counsel Fred and lets hope it makes the intended difference. You made some excellent points and provided good context.”
I don’t like to break this to you but you’re coming across as a bit of an arse licker.
@ Villager : it’s no good over-egging the pudding. I’ve watched the video you linked to very carefully and I must say that I wouldn’t call it “disgusting”. You will note the total absence of physical violence and even the verbal violence seems rather non-threatening : at one point the ‘victim’, when replying ‘yes, I am dirty’, is actually laughing. He can also be heard to answer back to his interlocuters without anything physical ensuing.
So my conclusion is that the cases I mentioned have nothing in common, either qualitatively or quantitively with the incident you posted. I would prefer not to have support like yours, thank you aall the same.
“joining in the chorus of “pedophile! pedophile! and then having to beat a hasty retreat”
That was a rather exceptional case though, because he was named publicly by a victim, who there was little reason to doubt until the apparent, and noteable accuser and certain victim of other childhood sex abuse retracted the accusation.
So it was different to spread the information and support investigation of McAlpine, than it was to to spread and support the investigation of the many names on the infamous web document containing a list of accused politicos and celebs with no references at all for the accusations.
@ Fred : last thought before going to bed tonight.
You are clearly challenged. Would you like to share how?
We’re a sympathetic bunch on here.
Macky, thanks again for engaging in this conversation–i find it meaningful.
I’m not hung up on the term Humanism–i tried researching it on wiki but realised in a second it was going to confuse me. So i once again realised that for myself the ending of *every* ‘ism is part of my path. I’m also not very well read in ancient history/philosophy and am more interested in what i gain personally by way of insight as a living human being making the most of my this life, so i set all that aside too. It allows me my originality though i have used K’s contemporary guidance to catalyse this understanding so as not to reinvent the wheel. I’m still very much a student of life but where i have imbibed something it has come through permeating an intellectual levels that it becomes part of ones cells, DNA in fact and part of who one is and therefore the way one lives.
I hope you find the time to watch the video links i posted above earlier this evening. Some of his talks are easier to grasp when one is just beginning. Some like the earlier ‘Roots’ one, you can observe even giants like Bohm and Sheldrake struggling despite their direct participation and K makes them look, obviously not deliberately, like novices in the field of life. They were rightly at the top of their own professional fields but then thats another thing.
Here’s the link again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvz3BdB2EE
Fred the Shred:
“I don’t like to break this to you but you’re coming across as a bit of an arse licker.”
LOL. Oh pleeeeaase don’t do anything you don’t like. Certainly not for my sake. Sweet dreams about all your biological thoughts in your trashy brain.
Re: the messageboard chaos and hassle.
I do suspect and puzzle over the conduct and/or critical volume of one or more commenters. However, i think a big reason why the board gets a bit pointless and flat sometimes, these days is..
Craig is maybe a bit under the weather (recently in and out of hospital) and rightly managing his interests besides -not posting as much and producing quite as many groundbreaking posts for a time, who could? So you know, just hold the fort and keep a light on. cheers.
Habbab (a) the video i posted was not in support of your earlier comment–and you have no unqualified support from me, except my observation that while you have been rude, very rude and a bully, you handled the stuff heaped on you without resorting to abuse. That is to be acknowledged and i shan’t repeat it at the risk of over-egging your ego which is very pronounced (look up the etymology of that word).
(b) i was making *no* comparisons–show me if i was. You made that up–its late and i forgive you.
(c) we can agree to disagree on the forms of violence–physical, verbal etc. I reject them all based on insight. You can analyse them till your cows come home.
Night night
Thatcrab: good to see you; you lift my heart.
Various antagonists: are you really for real? If so, is it any wonder that our society is decaying around us? Or that we can’t put up a decent opposition to the powers of Big Money and the supine politicians? For all the criticisms of corporatism it does make large groups of people act in concert, and if this is the best we can do here, things are going to get much worse before they get better.
C’mon, folks. We can do better than this. We did for years, right here on this blog.
Thatcrab yes and if Craig is still unwell, with the weather not helping, one wishes him a speedy and complete recovery.
I wonder though if he has any feedback on last night’s Oxford Union meeting and Assange in particular. Nothing on the Tom Fingar thread which seems to have passed off rather more gracefully than some of the stuff kicking around here.
“We’re a sympathetic bunch on here.”
You’re half right.
I tried to alert you to this a few hours back but the blog is so inundated with people responding to obvious trolls I suspect everybody missed it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21181742
My big fear now is that NATO forces are going to start bombing Benghazi, probably with drones. Getting the nationals out is the first thing they always do. And other NATO countries have advised their nationals to leave as well. This is what was advised in Iraq when Blair declared a no-fly zone and carpet-bombed the country before Bush and Blair’s war there. The citizens of Benghazi, many of them former rebels supported by NATO forces, are probably trying to get their oil back from that Tory donor thief, Tony Buckingham.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/13/oil-commodities
There will almost certainly be an event. And most people on this blog will be able to work out who caused it. It may even be that the 9/11/12 attack on the US complex was a false-flag (perhaps CIA funded) that backfired and killed ambassador Stevens. The culprits were never caught.
A Node,
Belated thanks for your post re your bicycling life. I have to say i found it to be a very sensitising human story. I shared it with a very close friend who is going through a particularly challenging (life events) and depressing period, but somehow still unwilling for the most part to look within, preferring to blame things outside, including money. I hope as a result you’re that much healthier for it and that that serves you well in your being and doing now. I do wonder if you find you travel light in your mind having let a lot of the material world go.
“There will almost certainly be an event. And most people on this blog will be able to work out who caused it. It may even be that the 9/11/12 attack on the US complex was a false-flag (perhaps CIA funded) that backfired and killed ambassador Stevens. The culprits were never caught.”
There is no mystery about the 9/11/12 attack. The CIA had a secret and illegal prison on consulate premises where they were holding, and probably torturing, senior members of a Libyan militia. The attack was to free those prisoners.
@ Clark 2.24am
It was lovely to meet you too, and I’m definitely up for the next Doone the Rabbit Hole festival!
Here’s the latest:
And as Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt struggles to cover up the fact that he’s lied that Sweden didn’t make “an informal agreement” to allow the extraordinary rendition of the two Swedes from Djbouti to the US, news about what’s happened to the British ex-citizen (courtesy of Theresa May)has come out.
British man who ‘vanished’ after being stripped of citizenship says he was tortured and forced to sign a confession by the CIA:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2265185/British-man-vanished-stripped-citizenship-claims-tortured-forced-confess-CIA.html
So, it would be impossible for the Swedish government to agree to Assange’s onward extradition to the US because it’s against Swedish law to extradite to countries which torture? Yeah, right.
@Villager
Villager – what on earth constitutes abuse in you book?
Here are some ‘highlights’ from Habbabkuks “contribution” to this thread:
Do you find this commendable?
Habbabkuk ‘highlights’:
@ Anon : do you always answer a question with a question? Cluck! Cluck! Cluck!
PS – don’t condemn me, condemn the child groomers and abusers! Unless you secretly approve, of course
wow, Anon, I seem to have hit your G-spot, haven’t I?
PS – some advice : never accept anything as “evidence” without checking it thoroughly, it saves you from making a fool of yourself.
It is off course entirely typical of Mary that, ever regal, she sweeps on not with an answer but with posts on, firstly horsemeat and then Willy Walsh.
We’ve already seen off a Pope Joan, do we really want a Pope Mary?
Misrepresentation from you, dear David, or did you have problems of…..comprehension?
David : I realise you posted late at night, but you really must try to stay awake and alert. Courses in reading and telling the truth are also to be recommended.
Just saw your post.
Are you fully awake yet? Or just incontinent?
In point of fact, I am neither homosexual not homophobic – but I do confesss to being somewhat imbecilophobic, which probably explains the rather curt tone in which I address you.
Try to make today a useful day, “Doug”.
@ Never a mind (11h34).
You are truly a medical miracle – since you seem to be the only person I’ve come across who can write (well, just about) whilst being unable to read.
You say : “In all this (I suppose you refer in particular to my posts about yours)the base intention must be to dissuade Craig from continuing and to divide and distract.”.
If you mean that seriously, then you reveal yourself to be so delusional and lacking in anhy normal sort of balance as to seriously call into question most of the other stuff you post as well as your motives for posting it.
Villager 10.37pm
Well, it’s a bit hard to give any feedback on the Oxford Union event itself as, despite promising beforehand to livestream it on their Youtube channel, OU subsequently decided to not release the video. A cameraman (from Wikileaks) came to film the supporters outside the embassy and he said the Oxford Union were making a fuss because Assange used the Collateral Murder video as a backdrop and OU thought it might infringe the US Govt’s copyright. (FFS!)
“Oxford union is withholding vid of tonight’s speech by Assange; excuse is they fear US gov will claim copyright over Collateral Murder.”
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/294210904495648772
or – alternative theory:
“Is #Oxford scared of Spielberg? Ox refusing to release Assange tape after he read out leaked script with #Iran frameup”
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/294248984476778496
More likely the latter, as that’s what’s been picked up in the media today:
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/assange-says-film-fans-flames-of-war-20130124-2d8ej.html
It’s actually worse than described in that article. Assange says of the film:
“Dreamworks ‘WikiLeaks’ script ”5th Estate’ says 1) Iran months from nuke 2) nuke put in Shabab missiles 3) WL caused US source to flee Iran”
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/294270060531417088
For a slightly fuller description (but only slightly, I’m afraid) of what Assange actually said to the Oxford Union, you can get a flavour of it in the OU twitter stream if you scroll down a bit:
https://twitter.com/OxfordUnion
As for the protests, here’s the final score:
London:
Anti-Assange protester = 1
Student journos from Oxford = 2
Assange supporters = 28
Oxford:
Anti-Assange protesters = protest organiser says 70, others say 40.
Assange ‘counterprotest’ supporters = 0
Debate attendees = 500
BBC Oxford says “protest against Assange failed to materialise”.