I am delighted that a new canpaign has started today against the state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry, especially as this campaign originates in Germany, where a significant portion of society appears to have finally woken up to the reality of the German government’s appalling complicity in the Nazi style regime and atrocities of Karimov.
However in the UK it remains the case that since the coalition government came to power, there has not been one single government statement on the human rights atrocities in Uzbekistan or – even more damning of our sham democracy – one single statement or question from New Labour.
Phil W, thank you for your alert. I stand corrected. Basically, i made the error of viewing it very narrowly through the prism of vulgarity. To some extent shows how these discussions in the internet have thickened one’s skin. I had somehow placed all the other stuff into rudeness and bullying, but i stand corrected.
Arbed, thanks for that summary. Are these Oxford guys wimps or just confused?
The bit about the USG’s ‘copyright’ is just laughable. but then again i understand that when it comes to Assange they are like bulldogs with a bit between their teeth so perhaps one can understand their being prudent.
The Iran nuke element leaves one with a sense of deja vu. We know how that movie ends.
The world has gone mad.
Btw, how come there’s no pressure within Swedish public opinion for the prosecutors to interview Assange in London, or even in the Ecuadorian embassy in Stockholm in the interests of speeding up justice to the women victims? Any thoughts?
Anyone here know a ‘person of influence’? Someone’s done a brilliant open letter asking for action to protect Assange, which can easily be adapted for any recipient you fancy sending it to:
http://cyklistbhriste.blogspot.ie/2013/01/my-open-letter-to-person-of-influence.html
Just what are Habbabkuk’s posts actually revealing ?
There are posts that; try to drum-up justifications for attacking Syria, mainly by villifying Bashir Assad as the new Hitler; demands others to condemn atrocities committed by the Taliban; accuse others of being anti-American, anti –West & anti-Israeli; asking others to condemn “Arab killing noble Arab in Iraq”; bemoan the freeing of Abu Qatada after seven in prison without charges; ask “Are there any capitals in Europe, other than London, in which a majority of the inhabitants are not white people born in the country concerned?”, and of course the post that singles out British born Asians as having “ bestial predilections on young girls”, and who should be deported for crimes that other British citizens cannot be deported for.
Then there the initial throwing of the scent posts, such as the fact that when Habbabkuk first posted here, there were a couple of posts attacking Melanie Phillips for “incitement to racial or religious hatred”, but then suddenly all subsequent Posts on Moslems have been to attack them; then there’s the fact that were are spells of anti-Israel posts as in attacking Oniel Samuel, who appeared shortly after Habbabkuk arrival here, but vanished after one thread.
So here we have a Poster who has chosen a Jewish Prophet as a Blog name, comes across as a mainly Islamophobic Racist, takes token pot-shots at Israel, but is very, very keen to see Israel enemy, Syria destroyed, and takes issues with people for being anti-Israel, anti-American and even anti-European.
Does Habbabkuk employ any other shill tactics ? Well these three posts from our Moderator, speaks for themselves;
“[Jon/Mod: Posted as O’Neil, in fact this is Habbabkuk – sock-puppetting is discouraged here]”
“Habbabkuk, I’ve not been “charmed”, but I’ve had more disruption and sock-puppetting coming from your computer than from Oniel’s.”
“Habbabkuk – we’re in favour of free speech on this blog, but not at the cost of civility. A couple of your comments – to Ben and Mary in particular – appear to be deliberate attempts to start an argument.”
Then the fact that can be attested by anybody who has tried to have a serious debate with Habbabkuk, only to find the normally sharp Habbabkuk suddenly becomes a blithering imbecile, where everything either goes over his/her head, or is stupidly “misunderstood”, so as to be slyly misinterpreted & misrepresented.
An articulate, devious & at times civil troll, but still a troll nevertheless.
Villager; “Macky, i think Habbab has a point about ” it was those gangs who were in fact behaving in a racist manner by targetting – exclusively – viulnerable girls whom they considered to be white, khaffar trash.”
You should know you are in dodgy ground when you find yourself agreeing with Habbabkuk !
Do you really think that the mainly British born Asians in this particular sex-ring, selected their victims not on the criteria of easy availability, but actually on a racial hatred of white people basis ?! The fact that most young Asian girls are rarely let out of their parent’s sight, whilst other girls are allowed to roam the streets until the early hours of the morning, just might perhaps explain who ended up as victims, don’t you think ? I put it to you that these scumbags would have no scruples at all to take advantage of vulnerable girls from their own communities, if the opportunities presented themselves.
I am feel somewhat unease that you thought you had to include the video that you did.
Good article by Paul Craig Roberts in Counterpunch on the American road to tyranny, looking at Bradley Manning
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/21/the-institutionalization-of-tyranny/
“Republicans and conservative Americans are still fighting Big Government in its welfare state form. Apparently, they have never heard of the militarized police state form of Big Government”
“Macky, thanks again for engaging in this conversation–i find it meaningful.”
@Villager, Ok, I had guessed your earlier “By Jove” exclamation indicated a similar interest in Classical History, so obviously not !
Like I said I will definitely follow-up on finding out more about Krishnamurti, and I repeat my thanks for bringing him to my attention. I would like to reciprocate, and since the Classics appear not to appeal, I would recommend that you perhaps take a look at the work of Joseph Campbell who I mentioned before;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
http://www.jcf.org/new/index.php
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joseph+campbell&oq=joseph+campbell&gs_l=youtube.12…0.0.0.459.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0…0.0…1ac.
Arbed, Clark, et al;
Next visit to the public demonstrations you might want to use some make-up. : )
http://ahprojects.com/projects/cv-dazzle
Macky, i take your point re Asian girls being watched rather more closely, but have a strong intuition that these men preferred to target white girls as a matter of personal preference, in addition to being easier game. Am happy to leave it at that as i am no authority on the subject.
Macky i did not “have to” include that video and by virtue of having done so have not suggested any particular correlation. I just “happened” to link that video because i happened to be reading that article in parallel. As innocuous as that. Lets try to enhance understanding than to look for misunderstandings. Why such ‘unease’ anyway. I think their intimidation of their victim was disgusting. It reminded me of a vid Mary linked recently of some Israelis intimidating Somalian refugees in Israel. Its abominable human behaviour that’s all.
Indeed Cryptonym -my radar was set to ‘fine’ and you widened the search window – thank-you.
Well perceived John Goss we know Clinton will allow coerced attacks using US-operatives masquerading as Islamic terrorists for the purpose of committing a false flag to instigate war with Middle Eastern nations.
What gets my goat is I’m aware Petraeus was zapped for failing to protect gun-runner Ambassador Stevens who was ultimately killed by the same posse he had provided guns and other armory to. We do not know for sure who directed this false-flag. We know the CIA rapid response team were stood down and US air support denied. Stood down? I’m sure I’ve heard that before.
Re the ‘gangs of Asian men ..etc’
The point is that nowhere do you read of ‘the WHITE paedophile Jimmy Savile’ or ‘the WHITE paedophile Gary Glitter’ or ‘the WHITE sex-murderers Fred and Rosie West’. Or even ‘the BLACK mass-murderer Obama’. These characteristics are not relevant.
‘Asian’ is only mentioned as a prompt to Islamophobia, racism, or maybe more accurately sectarianism. And to intimidate the Asian community.
We are being railroaded by Habbabkuk to condemn ‘the ASIAN gang’ or we get a response like this:
“@ Anon : do you always answer a question with a question? Cluck! Cluck! Cluck!
PS – don’t condemn me, condemn the child groomers and abusers! Unless you secretly approve, of course”
which I find a disgusting slur. What do you have to do to get banned from here Jon, Craig?
Macky, re Campbell i did get a quick look and thank you. I confess i am not much of a reader. There were so many people being quoted, i was being confounded. I like to read what people have to say in their own originality rather than drawing support from n no of sources which to me then becomes analysis. Comparative this and that by definition is just that, and also measurement. I am interested in understanding life, its content and processes as a student in a direct manner not as an academic. I am not interested at all in accumulating knowledge. Its difficult to explain but i like to travel direct and travel light. I think once you get ‘into’ K a little more, if you choose to, what i am saying will become a little clearer. As i said earlier, he had a different brain, and holistically speaking a unique individual. But the individual himself is not important.
Lost in the Complexities.. of so many well informed commentators.. Here – is wee simple things – Words said -cant be unsaid ( Un-written ).. To be Quite happy to have Monsters sent back to their own lands…where they can carry on at will..with beastial practice…that was words said / written…NO ESCAPE…No excuse…NO EXCUSE
Arbed, that was a brilliant letter you linked indeed. Thank you. The letter provides a bgreat template for a wide signature campaign within the UK. Is anything similar afoot?
Fascinating reading over at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-14/it-begins-bundesbank-commence-repatriating-gold-new-york-fed Can the US print that much gold as instalments become due? From gold repatriation and adulterated bars, to gold-rich Mali, Algeria and more in the mix. Venezuela’s request for it’s own gold back from the BoE, replenished from Libyan stores.
Oil companies hiring their own jihadist security, cutting out government middlemen.
I suspect factions within the US are infighting. Domestic as well as foreign kill-lists?
Based on the intent of Craig’s good auspices (not withstanding, Clark and Jon) I wish to make a blanket statement for myself, only.
At the outset, allow me to proffer apologies to any and all I do not respond to. Many times, I am displaced elsewhere, and miss the comment due to time constraints, or I choose not to respond for a variety of reasons. I do my best, to show the courtesy of providing my best response, when someone takes the time, and thoughtful intent, braced with honesty, as either counter-point or alliance with my general pov. That’s much of the reason i comment at Craig Murray’s blog. I seek exclamatory prose worthy of the subject, but welcome critique for the largest purpose of my presence here, and elsewhere.
IOW, I am here to exchange ideas, and in the process, I hope to hone my own mind, as I help others who seek to rise a peg or two in this long process known as Evolution, to shave off their own rough edges, and rise with the Tide. For me i have succumbed to the temptation to strike back at real, or imagined slights using a militaristic and Cro-Magnon zeal, with a sledge-hammer invective designed to crush any further straw-baled adhoms while seeing myself as Thor, meting out linguistic justice on a primitive world.
That is merely a defense mechanism, for survival. Heh. Survival; wtf does that mean? But, I digress. Defense mechanisms are based largely on one’s perception of what is a genuine threat.
What could be a genuine threat on this blog? Most of us use a pseudonym, and at least some semblance of privacy. Do we not?
So if I are proven wrong on a point of fact; so what?
I’ll tell you what; I relish the correction. I seek to be vetted. Is that clear? I want to validate my thought process and my conclusions. Well, maybe not the thought process; that’s too vague and fraught with shades of grey machinations.
I hope I don’t appear too self-righteously appendaged, but again, how can I get any credit for righteousness (assuming that’s what I seek) when I do so, anonymously?
It’s only when I posit an affront to my anonymous righteousness, that I respond like an injured party seeking compensation for pain and suffering. Am I making any sense on this?
How can one ‘not’ rise above the perceived slight?
Just asking……………
“There are posts that; try to drum-up justifications for attacking Syria, mainly by villifying Bashir Assad as the new Hitler.” So does Guano, whose posts mainly provide light relief for me, the world viewed through a religious prism, though comprehending Islam and indeed Judaism as an outsider, the religious mindset in general, is mercifully impossible. Slabs of quotes from big magic books, to be taken literally or with other hidden meaning discernible only to divine initiates high on fumes, or by total inversion of the literal text, some non-secret code, are something to quickly scroll past doubting evolution always runs true and forming the word ‘throwback’ in my mind.
Habbabduk reminds me of a one time prolific CiF poster, something like NavadKatz or similar.
I apologise for knocking Fred with accusations of insincerity, based merely on hunches; his new vulgarity is jarring (I mean Sunshine ffs, next it will be Sonny!) – but how civilly should you address hired guns smoothing over racist persecutions of inoffensive fine indigenous Arab people – he was previously on the whole civil, but treacherously hostile in one obvious respect, I can only scratch my head in puzzlement at this obvious blind spot and deviation from a humanist or even a position of ambivalence towards a fledgling new-old country’s democratic movement – Scottish Independence and/or the SNP – where he spouts ineffectual predictable boilerplate unreason and scares from the Blair/Miliband NE spin pits.
I hope too that Clark hasn’t taken the hump, we’ll agree to disagree on his pro-nuclearism, gun-culture and other deviant traits but I draw the line at mining pristine asteroids!
For Ben F: http://xkcd.com/386/
Pictures in the press of David Crimerong showing determination over Europe like an infant filling its nappy might have been a relief for him as Euro-sceptick Conservative Party leader, but only served as a reminder for the rest of us how much cleaning up always has to be done when Tories in power are eventually gone.
@Macky – ok so you are not one of the “sum dum goyim” and have seen through a habbabkyks posts. Respect. A word of advice for the habbabkyks and kempes, you are just foregoing that still available (albeit slim) chance of being safe in Manchester like Kaufmann, instead of moving up a row towards the front of the cattle car each time you make a cunning and devilishly devious spin. The muzzies may have broken this spell you had over us since killing the “Son of Man”, do I smell a whiff of gas here?!
Cryptonym
Of all places in the world which can be seen through a religious prism Syria is the most deserving. It has been occupied by Islam from the time of Abraham and its citizens are imbued with volumes of religious patience for volumes of religious trials. The most recent one of which is Assad. Hitler personified British Imperialist fascist ideals. We were fortunate in Churchill to have a man who had been brought up amongst that class of fascist Englishmen and understood what they were capable of doing.
Churchill also understood that there is a streak of fascism amongst the religious elites of all religions even Islam. Our inheritance in the UK since Cromwell has been freedom of religion and freedom of expression, backed up by previous rights won for us in medieval times. That means I don’t have to go through a religious elite to get to God, unless that elite is itself submissive to God’s demands on human beings. The British Empire could see that the Chaliphate of Turkey was a bit off rails due to British-injected Sufism and harsh but it was not oppressive enough for their purposes, and still provided a peaceful legal framework for the Muslim world. The British Imperial fascist class soon realised that the replacement they had in mind, Kurdistan, was going to be based even more on freedom of belief and knowledge of the Quran.
Syria epitomises in my mind that essential religious freedom. It is possibly being hijacked by outsiders who have some of those qualities of religious fascism we should all be scared of, but even that is better than being ruled by a disbeliever, Assad, who is supported by the vast well of disbelief that is post Communist Russia and China. Going back to topic, the inhumanity of Uzbek cotton child slavery is, according to Craig a result first of Russian Imperialism and then Soviet Communism. Islam is a light and, as you point out, it has the qualities of a prism, manifesting not only purity but also beautiful and colourful diversity. Ameen.
Guano: My understanding is with the new constitution, he’s up for election as President next year and the odds are that he’ll win, considering the makeup and conduct of the rebels and outside elements and when the chaos resulting in Libya, Iraq too provides a stark model for the outcomes when such stable if imperfect states are mendaciously torn apart.
Cromwell was execrable and done nothing good for these nations, in religious or other matters. I don’t have a high opinion of Churchill either.
“but even that is better than being ruled by a disbeliever, Assad, who is supported by the vast well of disbelief that is post Communist Russia and China.”
This is the almost barking stuff I referred to earlier. Mere mention of god alone does it.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said prism, instead something opaque or disfiguring.
Interesting viewpoint and glad to hear from you, all the same.
Within a note that came from a Palestinian friend yesterday –
‘Yesterday we buried 2 martyrs in the same day. A 15 year old boy was shot in the head a few metres from Lajee’s door about a week ago. The life support machne was finally turned off yesterday early afternoon. Within an hour or 2 of hearing that news, 2 female students were shot near Al Aroub Camp (near Beit Ummar) – one of the girls was killed, she was also from Bethlehem. 2 promising young people, 2 beautiful people full of hope, life and dignity, laid to rest within a few hours of each other, and in cemeteries within a kilometre of so of each other. At the same time houses and being destroyed on an almost daily basis, leaving more families trying to survive without even the most basis of human needs and rights. This is ‘our lot’ in Palestine, a situation as you know that is not only turned a blind eye but is actively supported and paid for by so many around the world from informed ‘decision makers’ down to uninformed consumers of propaganda.’
And an unuusual terrrr arrest. This time in London of a man plotting to support terrorist activities in Syria. Another you could not make it up.
Man arrested in connection with terror offences in Syria
A 31-year-old man has been arrested in London on suspicion of terror offences in Syria, Scotland Yard has said.
The 31-year-old had previously been arrested and released without charge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21190899
Cryptonym (05h03) : “My understanding is with the new constitution, he’s up for election as Presdient next year…)
I suppose you’re referring to Presdient Assad (Junior).
Would you happen to know if anyone else will be running for office?
Depending on what the weather is like tomorrow, I will be listening in at 2.30 pm
A dramatisation of Animal Farm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01q7fzf
I wish that my voice was as alluring as Tamsin Greig’s. She is the narrator.
@ inter alia Villager at 01h06 re. “the” video (harassment by Muslim youths).
I probably should have done more research, but I’ll ask the (genuine)question instead : was the video made by one of the harassers (and then posted on (?) Youtube as a kind of ‘warning’)? I ask because having looked at it again, the thought crossed my mind that the whole thing might have been staged as a kind of joke. Serious replies welcome, thx.
@ Phil W (24 Jan at 23h28) – Phil has assembled a veritable new Book of Habbakuk. A ggod effort, but marred by a certain selectivity, shall we say. But hey, when did Old Testament books ever give the full picture?
@ Macky (0h22 :
1/. “Just what are Habbabkuk’s posts actually revealing”
Well, I should say a pretty wide range of interests, an impatience with intellectual dishonesty and cowardice, a rejection of cant, a refusal to toe the party line (or perhaps I should say the “community’s” line), a wish for more rigour in people’s posts and an unwillingness to bow down before certain self-appointed deities. And also, perhaps, a desire to test people’s tolerance against criticism.
That’s enough to be going on with for the moment, I think.
2/. “Anybody who has tried to have a serious debate with Habbabkuk”
In a way that’s the point, isn’t it, because you will see that the only person man enough to have entered into a serious debate with me is Glenn_uk and I don’t think that he has any complaints. The subject of our debate (what is a civilised country) was in fact sparked off by a comment of Mary’s to the effect that the UK was not a civilised country, but when offered – very civilly – the opportunity to debate that assertion, Mary declined. My impression so far is that most commenters here are prepared to exchange views with like-minded people with a view to mutual reinforcement of those views but rather unwilling to debate with people holding an opposing view. That’s OK with me, but people should be honest enough to recognise the fact and not, so to speak, shoot the messenger.
“I apologise for knocking Fred with accusations of insincerity, based merely on hunches; his new vulgarity is jarring (I mean Sunshine ffs, next it will be Sonny!) – but how civilly should you address hired guns smoothing over racist persecutions of inoffensive fine indigenous Arab people – he was previously on the whole civil, but treacherously hostile in one obvious respect, I can only scratch my head in puzzlement at this obvious blind spot and deviation from a humanist or even a position of ambivalence towards a fledgling new-old country’s democratic movement – Scottish Independence and/or the SNP – where he spouts ineffectual predictable boilerplate unreason and scares from the Blair/Miliband NE spin pits.”
Just a few threads down Craig describes the BBC as the “British Broadcasting Cunts” yet suddenly by the time we get to this thread you are a shrinking violet. Somewhat hypocritical what?
Your patriotism is a belief system not founded on facts. When the facts don’t match your beliefs you try to reconcile the dissonance by attacking me. You pretended to be offended by the word “prick” to try and drum up support against me to further your Nationalist agenda.
It is precisely this deceit and bullying from the SNP supporters which turns me against independence. The only independence I’d support would be one based on rationality not mindless flag waving.
One could be left thinking that the whole thing ‘never happened’ as Pinter once said.
Sam Adams Awards incl videolink with Julian Assange
Event name: Sam Adams Awards incl videolink with Julian Assange
Start date: 23/01/2013 19:30
End date: –/–/– –:–
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Description
Sam Adams Awards
The Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence confers an award each year to a person exemplifying the courage, persistence and devotion to the truth of CIA analyst Sam Adams. Many distinguished past award winners include prominent whistleblowers and former intelligence agents
https://www.oxford-union.org/term_events/julian_assange2
Always worth a re-read. Pinter’s brilliant Nobel acceptance speech.
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2005/pinter-lecture-e.html
‘It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn’t happening. It didn’t matter. It was of no interest.’