I am delighted that a new canpaign has started today against the state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry, especially as this campaign originates in Germany, where a significant portion of society appears to have finally woken up to the reality of the German government’s appalling complicity in the Nazi style regime and atrocities of Karimov.
However in the UK it remains the case that since the coalition government came to power, there has not been one single government statement on the human rights atrocities in Uzbekistan or – even more damning of our sham democracy – one single statement or question from New Labour.
Just to clear up a potential confusion: in 1951, Meyer Levin was tasked with adapting The Diary of a Young Girl into a stage play, but the script was rejected (for being “too Jewish” to appeal to a mass audience), and he sued. The case was public at the time. (If anyone’s interested his script has recently been performed as a radio play.)
Curiously, some accounts fail to give a timeline (as above @6:16pm). For instance, they don’t mention that Levin first discovered the book in a bookshop Paris in 1951, before contacting Otto Frank to suggest a dramatisation. As a matter of public record, the book itself was originally published in 1947, based on an extant handwritten manuscript in Anne’s writing. Now, this simple fact could cause some complications for the rather simplistic argument that the original book may have been written by Levin as a work of historical fiction – so certain websites and writers choose to omit it (as above @6:16pm). Is it relevant that those same internet sources are also keen to … erm … revise the accepted history of Europe in the 1930s and 40s? Work it out and call it for what it is.
Habby
As I expected you avoid the issue as is your usual tiresome trolling tactic.
I repeat. If you’ve any criticism of the argument worth making then make it, otherwise readers can draw their own conclusions.
If you’ve any criticism of my view that the article displays more intellectual honesty than much output in this area then make it, otherwise again readers can draw their own conclusions.
Any further failure on your part to address these issues you yourself have pretended to raise can be judged by readers as they see fit.
A Tory source said there were “around 20” rebel MPs but added: “Cameron is safe — for now.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4765129/Tory-Obama-plotters.html#ixzz2JDTLzjr3
No, David, it would be intellectually unsound of me to pass judgement on your assertion about Mr Parenti’s article until you have provided us with some basis for your view.
Simply expecting us to take on trust your assertion that Parenti’s article is “more intellectually honest” than other articles on the subject is naive, since we know nothing of your status and your qualifications in this field. You therefore need to explain and give reasons to back up your assertion.
Just let us know if you’re unable to do so and we can all get on,top the next subject. That’s fair, isn’t it?
@ hababbuk:
It was in the ‘Defend Stephen Sizer’ thread, back in the heady middle days of January 2013, coming on the tail of the Jubilee and the Olympics, before even the famous blizzards of the same month, when inches of snow paralysed the nation.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/defend-stephen-sizer/comment-page-2/#comment-389207
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/defend-stephen-sizer/comment-page-2/#comment-389141
Very interesting comments they were too.
Enjoyed the BBC Radio Saturday Play version of Animal Farm, couldn’t help noticing a detail: the neighbouring farmer Frederick having payed for timber with forged notes, the death sentence was pronounced on the traitor, when captured he was to be boiled alive!
“The brain-dead Zombies of the BBC were talking about Anne Frank’s Diary on The Andrew Marr Show. When they mentioned a particular passage I wondered whether it was from that part of the diary written in ball point pen. I won’t bother pointing people to Mr Biro’s Wikipedia page because that would be anti-Semitic.”
Why so? Biro took out his British patent in 1938 and his design was issued to RAF aircrews but the history of ball points goes back further than that. Like plastics they’re an invention we associated with the post-war world but they really have their roots in the late victorian era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballpoint_pen
Poem for today.
Eyes of Gaza http://middleeastnewsnow.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/in-gaza-strip-poem-eyes.html
David – thanks for the link to that article, i found it built on refreshingly solid facts and, wonder how anyone can dismiss the importance of reflecting on the matters and quantities included.
I find that is a reference to the greatest obstacle to formal acknowledgement and control of the systems dynamics. We are taught to include ‘invisible hands’ which are as indefinable as ghosts, and teach that expertise is delivered by fitting indefinables into the weak points of theory which is contrived and as such requires much esoteric experience and undeserved faith to engage with.
So I approve the author cutting the situation back to bare parameters, and urging a reset, a response to beyond the shifting appearances.
Nextus, I had wondered about various claims around that Dairy. Thanks for clarifying my view, and providing others with less faith in your recall with something to check out themselves.
“Just let us know if you’re unable to do so and we can all get on,top the next subject. That’s fair, isn’t it?”
Who exactly is this “us” you seem to think you have the right to speak for?
Speaking for myself I am perfectly happy to take David’s word for i.
“911 would have ended up as another holohoax in history had it not have been for the mother of all smoking guns – the SYMMETRICAL free-fall of a 47 story skyscraper UNIFORMLY across its ENTIRE 100 YARD LENGTH and 70 YARD WIDTH, with not even ONE steel column resisting – watch-able 24/7 worldwide thanks to the internet and YouTube. ”
Really; and how else would we expect a building to fall except downwards? How long would one steel column resist when grossly overloaded by the failure of those adjacent to it?
Lemon Puffs and English Knight, if I was still a moderator, or if Craig or Jon were about, your comments would be deleted. I regard them as offensive and condemn them as anti-Jewish.
Habbabkuk, please explain that I’m being stupid and have misinterpreted your comment of 27 Jan, 9:49 pm, but it looks like support for Lemon Puffs at 27 Jan, 6:16 pm.
Nextus, thanks.
David, thank you for that article.
What would happen to the air-travel industry if, hypothetically, a Jumbo-jet crashed somewhere on earth every single day, in every week, every month, each year for a hundred years?
If we calculate the death toll at 400 unfortunate people x 365 days = 146,000 x 100 years = say 15 million people.
My guess is that such a scenario should kill off the air travel industry. ( yes i know it hasn’t stopped us from driving cars but please indulge me in order to make my point. We are speculating so i might be wrong.)
Compare that above 15 million people to even just the 100 million or so humans killed in WWI and II. I haven’t counted all the other millions in other holocausts, the extermination of the native American peoples, other thousands of wars, Stalins victims or those of Mao’s Great Leap Forward, other man made famines, so on and so forth.
So yes killing each other has become the norm. What can we do about it? Is that the right question?
Here is some food for thought, or shall i say deep introspection? Or perhaps even not introspection, but deep inquiry, inwardly.
“Because we don’t know ourselves, we are destroying other human beings.”
A couple of short clips and a 30 min interview with Bernard Levin in 3 parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0NX8pGiyuQ (4 mins, warning violent)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IZQ-pLgy0w (7 mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1AvljMbU8c&feature=endscreen
Habby, I don’t expect anyone to take on trust my view that Parenti’s argument displays more intellectual honesty than much output in this area.
I expect them to agree, disagree, don’t know or don’t care.
Should they disagree, and more importantly make an issue of the matter, as did you, I expect them to give some substance to that disagreement and I again invite you to do so. I can’t be expected to futher educate you on the issues if I don’t know precisely what areas you’re having problems with.
It may assist you if you begin by perhaps asking yourself is Parenti’s article the kind of thing you see daily in mainstream media for example, and if not is it at least understood as a premise of the kind of discourse in which the msm engage when dealing in foreign affairs etc.
That’s enough to be getting on with for the moment, and please be sure to let me know how you get on with your research.
My Iraq war petition ends in January 2014. I can get an official government response to my demand at 25,000 signatures or less. Petition is a such strange noun, so for this reason I prefer to use plea or a request for help or even a prayer. It would be a prayer come true for millions of displaced families in Iraq and thousands of orphaned children, because an Iraq war considered illegal would provide.
I am sure this government will delay the incriminating and damaging conclusions from the Chilcot inquiry until late 2014. The government war propaganda machine that services the MSM, that generates and delivers words and images, devises constructs to pollute our minds and justifies the West’s nefarious plans, is simmering waiting for the Syrian government to fall – it is hard written in Uncle Sam dispatches.
A war with Iran is very real. Even so I felt a certain hope, even joy in my mind when I signed the Chilcot request in the knowledge that it might strengthen my resolve further against another invasion war.
The Chilcot Inquiry may well beget different conclusions inconsistent with it’s own records within. Yet those records are transcripts from public questions (excepting intelligence derived sources which I have also demanded for release) and as such can only codify transparent outcomes regardless of government pressure. That outcome must expose the lie we all know, we all realise, we all learned – that ignited the Iraq war.
I hope you feel the same joy, the same resolvewhen you sign. Please pass such pleasure to your family and friends. <3 <3
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44684
VOX POPULI – JURE HUMANO
Clark; “Lemon Puffs and English Knight, if I was still a moderator, or if Craig or Jon were about, your comments would be deleted. I regard them as offensive and condemn them as anti-Jewish.”
I proposed that anybody caught sock-puppetting be banned; people of honest intend do not create multiple ids to try and deceive other posters; this would have then beneficial result of getting rid of a proven certain serial sock-puppeteer who is aka as “Hababbuk”, and is likely to be also the other above named Posters.
I return after a two day break to find the situation here has not improved; H is still busy giving well meaning people the runaround, and is still preaching about “intellectual honesty”, despite multiple sock-puppeting warnings as recorded by Jon, despite as I illustrated by my brief exchange, H resorting to troll givaway fake stupidity rather than engage in honest discussion, despite leading posters up fruitless paths as witness the “civilised” one sided dicussion with Glenn, despite offensive racist posts, etc
I guess that other Posters will have to take the time wasting experience with H for themselves, to conclude what I & a growing list of several others now, have realised beyond any doubt, that H is a not here in good faith, & is best banned, or the very least ignored.
Hi Macky i know i owe you a response. Meantime i linked to a Bernard Levin interview of K which is short and sweet and simple. You may be interested. If you like i’ll be interested in your response and then we can pick up on mythology and where it fits etc. Its interesting that Campbell had run into K on a voyage apparently–see in wiki.
@Villager, yes will watch the interview with interest & revert back with feedback when done.
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Hi all, did anyone post a transcript of Craig’s youtube? Here’s one if it’s useful:
Cryptonym wrote: “Glenn’s ‘Little Englander’ is meaningless jingoism, that skirts any or all of the real issues, can’t see what you admire in it.”
It’s not meaningless, actually. The term refers to those who cannot see anything important at all, or are scarcely even aware of, the world outside England. Anything “foreign” is to be treated with suspicion at the least, “foreigners” themselves are to be treated as underlings at the best.
Your arguments are somewhat peculiar – they concern matters of environmental hygiene we really ought to have been already observing, but were eventually forced on us by the EU. Your argument that we probably would have done the right thing eventually anyway is a rather weak form of outrage against a regulatory body.
The only thing UKIP (=BNP-lite) and “traditional” Tories have in common is a serious dislike of foreigners. The less “British” they look, the less they like them. UKIP, like the BNP, have fairly little in common with public school toffs and money-grubbers – they see each other as useful, if mutually despised, stooges.
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But when it comes to matters of expediency in business, here we have the really divisive issues. There are some points that just tick the business class off no end, the minimum wage and the working time directive being the least of them. In a limited fashion, the WTD can be got around, but that was despite the wishes of EU, and only because the UK absolutely demanded it.
This is the opposite of your own argument argument when it came to sewage disposal – either our government would have done whatever good the EU proposed eventually, or it wouldn’t have – which way are you trying to argue the point?
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You state that all issues could be resolved by, quote:
The state cannot take the life of its own or other citizens.
A non-profit democratically controlled non-partisan press is established.
Certainly agree with the aims. The second would be very difficult to implement – in an ideal world it would be the BBC. It’s probably the closest thing we’re ever going to have, unless you’re thinking of something like genuine progressive radio independents, such as Mike Malloy, The Majority Report (http://majority.fm/) or Thom Hartmann.
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If there’s a really legitimate beef with the EU from a progressive, liberal, viewpoint, it’s that the EU has a pro-American, pro-Israeli, pro-corporate lean. But all the complaints and raging against the EU never seem to reflect this – at least, not those that get any press.
@Glenn_uk: I was attempting to ridicule your narrow appreciation of the EU; I think a typo which led to ‘incapable’ replacing ‘capable’ or vice-versa (which habbabduck pounced on mercilessly) destroyed the effect. Nevertheless my observation was that your argument seemed to be that less jobbies bobbing around in the drink was the pinnacle of EU achievement, which though a perfectly valid example, didn’t seem particularly convincing and that the EU seemed rather a top-heavy, bloated and terrifying example of mission-creep in order to achieve this unspectacular goal. In this example there is some legacy element, and dumping raw sewage just off the near shoreline in that case (Blackpool) might back-in-the-day, have been of great pride to bumptious local civil functionaries and an improvement on whatever arrangements, if any, which existed previously. Evolutionary rather than revolutionary. I wasn’t arguing that it was anything other than a good thing, however the improvement came about. More serious points began after this light-hearted foray.
“This is the opposite of your own argument argument when it came to sewage disposal – either our government would have done whatever good the EU proposed eventually, or it wouldn’t have – which way are you trying to argue the point?”
I think the UK attitude is that it will do things when some compulsion is applied, but only when these are things it would have done eventually itself; where it simply doesn’t suit controlling narrow interests, it will not do so. It isn’t an attitude particular to the UK, other countries nod and agree to everything, but in practice interpret, ignore even, whatever parts do not serve narrower interests. France for a very long time would not purchase other than French-built cars or vans for municipal or government use, ignoring fundamental competition rules, at the very core of single market principles.
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I think the alacrity with which the hanging/flogging argument is automatically thrown out against any suggested greater degree of people power, is done so with a sort of case closed, discussion over, certainty and finality, deaf to argument or proper examination.
I’ve only paid for the ten-minute argument, so I’ll leave it there.
@kempe – before you “pull” (excuse the pun) a fast one on the readers must remind them of the next line you conveniently forgot to paste
“The odds of such a symmetrical occurrence (that of WTC7 flat uniform free-fall collapse over its entire 100 yard length, no less!) exceed the 2.5 billion to one chance of an error in DNA evidence!”
Unless…….the camel jockeys pulled a rug from underneath it !
Aiding and abetting makes you culpable as an accessory after the fact.
Macky @ 28 Jan, 2013 – 12:11 am
Would you like to take up issue about what I wrote or are you just going to condemn it out of hand as “anti-Jewish” and start squealing to the mods?
Anne Frank’s diary does contain writing in ballpoint pen. Meyer Levin did get paid for work on the diary. What point have I made in my posts that you find so unacceptable?
The only argument is how much did Otto Frank and Meyer Levin alter, modify, change or even create parts of the diary. I have no doubt a person called Anne Frank, who died of typhus, wrote a diary – but how much post-war propaganda has been slipped in to the diary since her death? This is a perfectly valid question.
Presumably you don’t even think their is anything for you to argue, such is your ‘faith’ in the Holocaust orthodoxy.
Is the New York Times anti-Jewish? Would you like the mods to shut it down too?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c398/WMcDonald/haha/bulletins/anne3-1.jpg
The terrible tragedy in Santa Maria where 231 young people died happened not very far from Sao Paulo which Craig visited in May last year. He also visited Florianopolis. RIP all those good young people.
Rolling Stone
by craig on May 28, 2012 3:19 pm
Genuinely sad to be leaving Florianapolis. Wonderful place and lovely people. I haven’t liked a new place so much in a long time. I found my ideas very well received indeed. That seems increasingly to be the case in places as diverse as Brazil, Germany, South Africa and India. There genuinely seems a renewed interest in radicalism among young people. Wars of resource grab, state transfers of money to the bankers and the general lack of genuine democratic choice or deep media inquiry are bound to produce this kind of reaction. Otherwise the human spirit is dead.
It isn’t.
Signed hundreds of books. The publisher sold all the new copies brought down to Florianapolis, despite the fact that most of the copies I signed were brought along by the owners, already bought and evidently much read. It seems they get handed around, which is great. At book signings everyone wants a photo, which actually I find rather nice. It is always good to have an excuse to put a photo of a pretty girl on the blog to cheer everyone up!!
Off to Sao Paolo next, then home which I am really looking forward to. It is lovely here but I miss my family. One great advantage of being here is that I don’t have to see the war criminal Blair and his smarmy self-justification at the Leveson Inquiry.
Mackay “if I was still a moderator, or if Craig or Jon were about, your comments would be deleted. I regard them as offensive and condemn them as anti-Jewish. I proposed that anybody caught sock-puppetting be banned.”
And you are no longer a moderator because…. ? Let me guess – you make false accusations (sock-puppeting) based on your own prejudices (whatever you regard as ‘offense’) and then overreact (condemn). And you think this is moderate? You poor arse.
Lemon Puffs. WRONG, Doh! Clark said that not ‘Mackay’. He was a moderator until he got so fed up with some of the tripe that goes on here that he packed it in.
btw Who is ‘Mackay’?
The last three paragraphs from the end of a statement from War On Want.
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‘War on Want is particularly concerned that the IF campaign is promoting a false image of David Cameron and the UK government as leading the fight against global hunger, at a time when nothing could be farther from the truth. A number of the aid agencies at the centre of the IF campaign have already praised the UK prime minister for his “leadership role” in holding a hunger event with Mo Farah and other celebrities at the end of the London 2012 Olympics. Internal documents obtained by War on Want through a Freedom of Information challenge reveal that the government has for two years been planning with the aid agencies to use the IF campaign to promote the prime minister as a leader on the global stage, especially through a further hunger summit to be held prior to the G8 this June.
It is unacceptable for NGOs to suggest that David Cameron’s government is a leading force for social justice at a time when its austerity programme is driving unprecedented numbers to food banks in Britain, and when its overseas actions are fuelling hunger and poverty around the world. War on Want’s report published in December 2012, The Hunger Games: How DFID support for agribusiness is fuelling poverty in Africa, exposed the UK government’s abuse of the aid budget in support of multinational corporations in Africa at the expense of the rural poor. We have publicly criticised the appointment of David Cameron as co-chair of the UN High Level Panel on international development, in view of the highly regressive actions of his government since assuming power in 2010.
War on Want has decided it cannot join the IF campaign coalition, and urges members of the campaign to consider carefully the political impact of their actions over the coming months. Progressive NGOs and trade unions will work to confront the UK government and other G8 countries for causing greater hunger, poverty and distress through their austerity programme and other policies. War on Want will also continue to join forces with all those promoting progressive solutions to the global food crisis, creating analysis and action to deepen people’s understanding of the true causes of hunger and poverty around the world.’
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http://waronwant.org/news/latest-news/17790-war-on-want-and-the-if-campaign
PS The next G8 shindig takes place in June at the Lough Erne Golf Resort, Enniskillen, Northern Ireland. Will the participants be stuffing their faces with the same fare that
Doug Scorgie told us about on http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/uzbek-cotton-slavery-campaign/comment-page-3/#comment-390425 ? That obscenity was in Japan in 2008 when the collapse happened, ie when the grand theft of our money by the bankers took place.
Egan of Cuadrilla talking up the size of the shale gas reserves in Lancashire (and the vslue of his company in the process no doubt). Suggest Mr Egan fracks off.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-21222747#
Cuadrilla Resources Limited is an Active business incorporated in England & Wales on 14th January 2008. Their business activity is recorded as Support Activities For Petroleum And Natural Gas Mining. Cuadrilla Resources Limited is run by 5 current members. 1 shareholders own the total shares within the company. It is also part of a group. The latest Annual Accounts submitted to Companies House for the year up to 31/12/2011 reported ‘cash at bank’ of £2,102,412, ‘liabilities’ worth £54,787,824, ‘net worth’ of £16,863,150 and ‘assets’ worth £71,399,458. Cuadrilla Resources Limited’s risk score was amended on 06/10/2012.
Egan – 9 active directorships. http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/917062247
He was appointed as a director of this company in July 2012.
If anyone has access to Companies House, it would be interesting to know who the one total shareholder is, as stated above.
Agent Cameron and Gideon will be 66 and 61 respectively by the time the hypothetical HS2 lines to Leeds and Manchester open. Wait on and don’t hold your breath.
HS2 phase two route details announced
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21221828#