Now is the Winter of our Disinterment 699


The researchers had a hunch he was there. ATOS pass Richard III’s skeleton as fit to work.

Joking aside, the discovery of Richard III’s body is fascinating and wonderful. Aside from Shakespeare’s brilliant play (which is evidently not as physically inaccurate as we have been told for years), and the question of who killed the Princes in the Tower, there is a romance about lost dynasties which appeals to a deep human yearning for a golden age when things were somehow better, and for “lost futures”. What might have been, had those evil Stanleys not turned on Richard at Bosworth and put their miserable Welsh accountant on the throne?

Richard is described in today’s newspapers as the last English King. The Plantagenets were of course Angevin. The last English King – indeed the only English King of all England – was Harold Godwinson. Now there’s a lost dynasty for you.

We now know that Richard’s “Claim of Right” was almost certainly true and Edward IV a bastard, as his father was nowhere near his mother for months around the purported conception. But the so-called Royal line is, I am quite sure, sprinkled with bastards and no line at all. Not to mention that George I was 39th in line to the throne when given it 300 years ago, but the first Protestant.

Monarchy is bollocks, and something we should have outgrown a long time ago. Nice to see that today’s Prince Harry retains the tradition of remorseless homicide though.

Leicester University deserve congratulations on a genuine achievement. I hope Richard can now be reburied as soon as possible – as a Catholic, which is what he was. He was a human being. The degradation and display of his fresh corpse were horrible; but there is a danger of repeating it with a po face and feigned serious intent.


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  • resident dissident

    Arbed

    Posts crossed – I see that you have answered my genuine question to John Goss, which I repeated in my last post. I shall look at the transcript to see how robust that challenge was – will be interesting to see if it is as robust as elsewhere by Assange and Wikileaks – ever the sceptic I’m afraid.

  • John Goss

    Resident Dissident at 8.29pm. If you had watched the video I posted in response to your first Correa/Assange comment you would have seen that Correa welcomed all Wikileaks exposures about his country because for the first time it is open.

    Correction of previous comment.

    (apart from those who supported the abuses – the right-wing press he got he sent packing). I originally wrote ‘got rid of’ but realising it ended the sentence with a preposition changed it to sent packing but did not get rid of ‘got rid’ so it does read a bit odd.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    Mary – your link ‘Secret Justice’ Bill referred to the ‘Justice ad Security Bill I was so concerned about when I posted 9th February 12:31. The Mail called it ‘furtive’ – I call it treacherous and insidious.

    It seems we pontificated and moralised over gay marriage while a stealth bill effectively exonerates (through lack of evidence) torture and the mass murder of children in the illegal Iraq war. (Chilcot is now a perfunctory conclusion, a cover up of crimes).

    ‘Three men do not make a tiger’ – we might as well slumber for a thousand years until the cold light of day wakes up up again.

  • resident dissident

    John

    I read a variety of the media – both mainstream and not. I also make a point of reading those I disagree with from across the political spectrum. To be fair there has been quite a lot on Western goverments involvement in rendition in the mainstream press – some of which has far higher standards in checking sources and separating news and editorial than some of the sources that you suggest – which I’m afraid come across as mirror images of the Dail Mail. I don’t mind journalists expressing their views and opinions, in fact given that they nearly all have them I think honesty is better than supression, it is just when they mix them up and pretend that their opinions are actually facts that I have problems.

    I will look at the Assange/Correa transcript – I just hope that he wasn’t as fawning as he was with Nasrallah.

  • Arbed

    Resident Dissident, 8.34pm

    Yes, well looking at the unedited interview will give the best view of how rigorous the Correa interview was. Personally, I feel it wasn’t as rigorous as some of the other interviews in the series – the Cage Prisoners one, in particular, was good. Assange really let them hang themselves with their own words – they spouted a lot of rhetoric about how Sharia law, strictly interpreted, would prevent stonings for adultery (something to do with adultery needing four witnesses to be upheld in Sharia courts, or something like that) but he caught them out and got them to say yes, they felt stonings were ‘justified’, and then just left their words to hang in the air. And the gleam in their eyes when they dreamed of the caliphate eventually arising from the Arab Spring was noticeable too.

    He was quite tough with Nasrallah also – pulled him up on his support for Syria, mentioned the rumours of corruption in Hezbollah’s upper ranks, etc. Nasrallah actually came off looking no better than any other politician, ie. practised, polished, evasive answers to all these questions.

  • karel

    Resident,

    you are somewhat confused about what democracy means. It is something we have not got and Ecuadorians have probaly no less of what we have left here in grand old Europe. You probably never heard of any of the libel cases in UK. Have the famous libel laws in the UK anything to with democracy? I hope not, so why are you so excited about the libel case in Ecuador? In any case, Correa had the three wankers, Carlos, Cesar and Nicolas Perez who own the rag eventually pardoned (cf. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17177646), something you conveniently left out of your text. I do not know who the Orwellian pigs of today are, but cannot avoid the thought that you are one of them.

  • Arbed

    Resident Dissident, 8.51pm

    “I will look at the Assange/Correa transcript – I just hope that he wasn’t as fawning as he was with Nasrallah.”

    Yes, there was that odd way Assange finished every question with an honorific and it did come across as fawning, I agree. I wasn’t sure if this was just respect for Islamic customs of address, or whether it was because it was the first interview he did and hadn’t got the hang of being an interviewer yet. But the questions themselves didn’t pull their punches.

  • John Goss

    RD

    My sources are without reproach. I am not expecting any legal challenge to them. What do you think is wrong with them? And to liken the article to the Daily Mail is not really an insult. The Daily Mail is just about the only newspaper to have challenged the official version of the ‘suicide’ of Dr David Kelly.

  • Fred

    “OK, Charlemagne lived 1200 rather than 600 years ago, but you take my point.”

    Yes I know what you mean.

    They didn’t just find one descendant of Richard III, they found several direct descendants. There is a male equivalent of the mitochondrial DNA called Y DNA, it’s passed from a father to all his children but only the male children pass it on to their children. The many descendants of Charlemagne will be through a mixture of male and female lines so the vast majority will not have either his Y DNA or Mrs Charlemagne’s mitochondrial DNA.

    The Y DNA of all the descendants will most likely not be exactly the same. Occasionally the DNA isn’t passed on exactly, sometimes one marker will be different, there are a lot of markers so just one being different is still pretty much damning in a paternity case. By looking at the differences and the family trees of the descendants they can tell exactly where the changes took place and which DNA spawned them all.

  • Mary

    ‘ResDiss
    As you might guess I don’t regard Mary questioning someones credentials as evidence of bias or a lack of a genuine concern for human rights. And that is being very polite.’

    Suzanne Nossel was head of Amnesty US. Came straight from Clinton’s State Dept.

    Any more evidence needed? http://went2thebridge.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/victory-amnesty-usa-head-suzanne-nossel.html

    Anyway she resigned from that after a year and is now executive director of US Pen where she will ‘concern herself with human rights’. She of course gained much experience of human rights in the US State Dept.

    Enough of your rubbishing of me and my name.

  • Fred

    I just took a look on google out of interest and it seems the DNA used was mitochondrial DNA from descendants of Richard III’s sister.

  • doug scorgie

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    10 Feb, 2013 – 9:57 am

    “Notice also how some of the Eminences tend to post in the middle of the night (insomnia? indigestion?).”

    Some people work shifts you doylem!

  • John Goss

    Resident Dissident at about 8.45 pm. You question my facts as well as the sources and yet claim to be fair-minded and balanced in your reading. Those details in our article about Sven Olof Petersson and Thomas Bodström’s complicity in torture are real facts. They are facts that have not been published elsewhere, not in MSM, not anywhere else except source data. They are real facts, believe me. The sources which you also question are impeccable because I checked them myself. However I am human. As a challenge therefore I am posting it again so you can tell me which of the seventeen source references you think are questionable and why.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/12/19/how-sweden-collaborated-with-cia-on-renditions-and-framing-of-assange/

  • thatcrab

    “a male equivalent of the mitochondrial DNA called Y DNA”

    Y chromosome DNA, is kind of the Male equivalent of X chromosone DNA, which females normaly carry two copies of. Mitochondrial dna is separate and smaller than the x and Y chromosones. Y would be sort of equivalent, but women normaly drop it entirely keeping two X’s. Y dna also changes more rapidly from the act of sexual combination. Mitochondria just migrate from the mother, seemingly.

    The whole situation of genetics is not completely known or understood although it is touted as being known well enough to responsibly introduce novel Chimeras and mutants into the environment and food supply. Genetic engineering is a highly experimental craft on lifes most essential, refined, valuable and uncertifiable physical arrangements.

    http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/our-failing-food-system/genetic-engineering/risks-of-genetic-engineering.html

  • Mary

    Baftas: Argo wins best film award

    Ben Affleck collected the awards for both best film and best director

    Argo has continued its award-winning streak, picking up three Baftas including the top prize for best film.

    Ben Affleck was named best director for his film about the rescue of American hostages in Iran, following its success at the Golden Globes last month.

    Of course he and his film did. It was a cert. Keep the propaganda against Iran won’t you BAFTA just like Hollywood will in a fortnight’s time at the Oscars.

    Synopsis in case you have been on a desert island and have not heard of it.

    ‘A dramatization of the 1980 joint CIA-Canadian secret operation to extract six fugitive American diplomatic personnel out of revolutionary Iran.’

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Doug Scorgie (21h55) :

    if you’re supposed to be (shift) working, aren’t you stealing your employer’s time by reading all these comments and then taking a fair bit of time to draft your polished, witty and knowledgable insights?

    post less, work more and help UK Ltd get out of its economic mess!

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Resident Dissident :

    yes, I read your “Virgin Mary” in the spirit intended. And your take is surely correct if one’s to judge from the Hail Marys studding this thread and the previous one…

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Mary seems to be complaining about the inheritance tax threshold being frozen for the next few years and the fact that more people will be drawn into Inheritance Tax.

    If I’m right, one would be justified in inferring that Mary doesn’t like Inheritance Tax very much.

    If this is correct, then it is most surprising. One would have thought that Mary, with her left-wing, egalitarian views would in fact be very much against inherited, unearned wealth and, therefore very much in favour of as much Inheritance Tax as possible.

    Explanations please (before 08h30, I have a busy day tomorrow – thanks).

  • Arbed

    Superb article by SACC setting out very clearly why Assange is right to fear US extradition via Sweden, proposing an alternative resolution for the allegations against him to be heard by a court of law that protects his human rights, and why the uptick in the UK MSM smear campaign against him matters so much:

    http://www.sacc.org.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=931&catid=56

    Within this, there is also a link to an equally clear and comprehensive article on the extradition cases of Babar Ahmad and Talha Ahsan:

    http://www.sacc.org.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=921&catid=55

  • guano

    Doug Scorbie
    This week I worked three shifts without sleep between Thursday 5 am and Friday 11 pm travelling between the Midlands Kent London and Great Yarmouth. That’s my excuse to Mary for my being so rude this morning. After all that work and travelling something tickled my funny bone about Mary and her artistic delights. Sorry Mary.

    Habakuk and Des Res have become deeply boring, like the smell of outside smokers wafting into your house from the back garden. Why can’t they stick to stinking out their own homes? My gut feeling is that at the end of the day Assange is just a distraction same as the Gay Marriage Bill concealing the Secret Justice Bill.

    Maybe I am a creep. Maybe I am a troll. The other day Malcolm Rifkind or one of those ex-wet tories was claiming on radio 4 that government was now more open than ever before. No. Ordinary Policing is now confined to intercepting citizens’ private communications and government policing is confined to spin. Chris Huhne was fully aware that he was being recorded by his ex and by the police on her mobile phone. Habakuk and Des Res are analysts of spin.

  • Jay

    So let’s hope injustices can get a public hearing then.

    There are equall opportunities for most to excel, to write, produce, invent, inspire, create, or construct.

    Changes will come, creation is not finished.

    Mozart 25 in g.

    Franz Benda flute concerto or Bizet 6th for a dance.

  • Kempe

    Nothing new in either. Confusion of legal extradtion with illegal rendition.

    Assange could not be extradited from Sweden without the prior consent of the UK so he’d be as safe from extradition to the US in Sweden as he would be here.

  • karel

    Kempe,

    you seem to know it all. How can you be so certain? Are you a prophet or a master of astrology?

  • thatcrab

    It is argument through repetition, absurd to assert that Julian is safe from US rendition, kidnap or assasination anywhere, much less sweden where processes and authorities have already been shown without doubt to have been manipulated against him. The jumped up charge of ambivalent casual intercourse was ridiculous as a criminal matter from the start. But repetition of simple rouses comforts willfully uniformed opinions, and excuses the willfuly disforming media and politicians.

  • thatcrab

    Clark! didnt even know it was active, im reading, looks like CE ‘quit while im behind’ now anyway. Still they manage to repeat – the beligerants simple mandate.

  • thatcrab

    Its a telling exchange Clark, you all may have even forced CE to reflect on their attitude and judgement towards the case, not an easy thing to do with the entrenched.

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