The researchers had a hunch he was there. ATOS pass Richard III’s skeleton as fit to work.
Joking aside, the discovery of Richard III’s body is fascinating and wonderful. Aside from Shakespeare’s brilliant play (which is evidently not as physically inaccurate as we have been told for years), and the question of who killed the Princes in the Tower, there is a romance about lost dynasties which appeals to a deep human yearning for a golden age when things were somehow better, and for “lost futures”. What might have been, had those evil Stanleys not turned on Richard at Bosworth and put their miserable Welsh accountant on the throne?
Richard is described in today’s newspapers as the last English King. The Plantagenets were of course Angevin. The last English King – indeed the only English King of all England – was Harold Godwinson. Now there’s a lost dynasty for you.
We now know that Richard’s “Claim of Right” was almost certainly true and Edward IV a bastard, as his father was nowhere near his mother for months around the purported conception. But the so-called Royal line is, I am quite sure, sprinkled with bastards and no line at all. Not to mention that George I was 39th in line to the throne when given it 300 years ago, but the first Protestant.
Monarchy is bollocks, and something we should have outgrown a long time ago. Nice to see that today’s Prince Harry retains the tradition of remorseless homicide though.
Leicester University deserve congratulations on a genuine achievement. I hope Richard can now be reburied as soon as possible – as a Catholic, which is what he was. He was a human being. The degradation and display of his fresh corpse were horrible; but there is a danger of repeating it with a po face and feigned serious intent.
Habbabkuk
5 Feb, 2013 – 3:43 pm
You’re struggling a bit now I see.
If you want to de-construct what I have to say do it in a logical manner and include all the relevant points.
You seem to be under the impression that our male heirs to the throne are intellectually robust enough to become helicopter pilots; Prince William, Prince Andrew, Prince Harry and the most ridiculous one; Prince Charles.
You’re having a laugh surely.
Prince Charles for example scraped through with two A levels, History and French: grades B and C. On the basis of these exemplary qualifications he secured a place at Cambridge University.
Then he became (wait for it…) a helicopter pilot.
Do you not recognize bullshit when you see it?
The coup d’ etat didn’t take place, Harold Wilson resigned unexpectedly, but the conspiracy to action the coup did take place and it is on public record.
You are tiresome Habbabkuk.
Some showboating coming up soon from Obama. Note Palestine is not mentioned in this BBC report. They do include the term Palestinian Authority but we know who and what they represent, certainly not the Palestinian people themselves under the Israeli heel.
5 February 2013 Last updated at 20:53
Obama to make first visit to Israel as president
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21345349
The words Occupied and Occupation do not feature.
Habbabkuk
5 Feb, 2013 – 7:45 pm
“Last post before I go out for dinner and take in a movie”
On your own again?
Jim McDonald
5 Feb, 2013 – 7:51 pm
“I know it’s fiction but have you ever seen ” A very British Coup’ with Ray McAnally from the eighties.”
Yes Jim I have read it and seen it; it is food for thought.
Whilst the gay marriage debate and vote (where more Tories voted against that those who voted for) was happening, Agent Cameron was biding his time with Biden. He has has such a busy time lately – Algeria, Libya, Liberia, meeting at Chequers and today Biden. Gosh, what a tyro!
‘Britain, Afghanistan and Pakistan have rubber-stamped the opening of an official office for the Taleban that will form a contact point for negotiations with the militant network.
After meeting in Chequers, President Karzai of Afghanistan, President Zardari of Pakistan and David Cameron backed the opening of the office in Qatar in a move that No 10 described as a necessary measure to bring peace to Afghanistan by the summer.
However, political analysts warned that such a goal was unduly ambitious, given that there were no representatives from either the US or the Taleban at yesterday’s meeting.
The faltering Afghan peace…. LOL
Sorry that’s all I can copy without giving some shekels to Murdoch.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/afghanistan/article3678018.ece
Q. Isn’t ‘going to take in a movie’ a very American way of saying one is going to see a film?
Monarchy isn’t just bollocks, it’s a confidence trick by frauds. The Queen has personally claimed and received eight million euros in farming subsidies since 2000, and all the other “royals” have had large sums also. Mr Charles Windsor makes huge profits from his estates, claims vast EU subsidies for his estates, sets all the running of the estates against tax, pays an artificially low tax rate agreed with the government, then on top of that lives an exorbitant lifestyle travelling by private jet and commuting between palaces all paid for out of the civil list. All this while benefits for the poor and the sick are slashed, driving them into poverty while calling them scroungers. I’m not into revolution, but I am into prosecuting fraudulent Windsors under the rule of law. The words “God save the Queen” literally mean “Imaginary Friend protect our Confidence Trickster from prosecution”.
The No-Fly list has been increasingly used on American citizens while they’re out of the country, effectively exiling them
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/02/201324165957645514.html
ACLU estimated the list to have grown to over 1,000,000 names and to be continually expanding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List
Habbabkuk
5 Feb, 2013 – 5:18 pm
@ anyone who’s interested : my reply to Doug Scorgie is on the previous thread to which he refers.
– why should I direct you towards works which you proudly claim not to read? And since when have you lot ever told me where your sources are when I’ve asked? Get reading yourself, and “seek and ye shall find”.
Habbabkuk: what a pathetic answer.
You have never, as far as I know, asked for sources from posters here. They are usually provided as a matter of course.
You are the one that fails to provide sources for the bullshit you peddle here.
I repeat; which books can you direct me to that confirm political parties have been using behavioural psychologists to sell their policies for (as you say) the last 20 years?
You have no answer do you?
Doug (21h15) – what on earth are you rabbiting on about?
A levels, Prince Charles becoming a helicopter pilot, intellectual robustness, no coup d’état but a conspiracy…the mind boggles.
And there I was, thinking you’d just been venting about Killer Prince Harry!
Are you tired and emotional this evening?
How nice. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/mums-the-word-duchess-of-cambridge-and-wills-take-private-holiday-on-mustique-and-carole-comes-too-8481598.html
Hope it doesn’t get too warm for them there while we shiver and the food banks proliferate.
This is their friend who loans them his villa. What a waste of a seven year medical training.
Mark Cecil Jabre Capital Partners
Mark Cecil is a founding partner at Jabre Capital Partners, a $5 billion investment manager based in Geneva.
Mark began his career in finance in 1986 working alongside Philippe Jabre at BAii (London) a subsidiary of BNP Paribas. In 1997 he moved with Philippe to GLG Partners and in 2007 moved to help establish Jabre Capital Partners.
Mark qualified as a medical doctor from St Thomas’ Hospital Medical School in 1982 and was awarded an MBA from Insead Business School, Fontainebleau, in 1985.
Harrow not Eton this time. http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/mark-cecil/20/b44/b4a
In 1992 the present monarch once passed by me, so close I could have reached out and touched the very royal train itself. Entirely alone on a drafty westbound platform at Paisley Gilmour St. Station I stood up in anticipation as I mistakenly thought it was the whatever o-clock to Gourock drawing in. This apparition in brown, with curtained windows glided up to the platform and inexplicably stopped there for at least a minute before moving off, carrying on to its eventual destination, which I later guessed was Ferguson’s Shipyard at Port Glasgow, alongside which a temporary wooden platform had sprung up for the benighted one to alight. In a republican show of dissent, I resumed my recumbent pose on my seat, and purposefully looked up the line, nonchalantly ignoring this monstrosity before me, feigning complete ignorance or indifference, unaware even if a curious queen might have parted the curtains a crack and fixed a beady eye on one of her handsome young subjects approvingly.
She’s so down to earth really, riding on trains and everything.
Habby is back carrying his kebab and a bottle of Buckfast, hey, he’s here to stay, be nice to him.
We decide who is negotiating with Brussels and we’ll negotiate with Brussels a long time before we take notice of nuclear armed rogue’s in the ME.
Neo colonial mindset full of torture, rape and carnage is just not good enough any more for the British public, so, who do you think agrees with your anachronistic phlegms and how long do you think before people realise that they are now being playe off against each other, to divert the heat from the scum, currently making this country their chosen fraud base and those who feed on their immense fraudulent riches.
But then, you’ve never been real, sporned by a migrating conjurer, your wondrous life passes by reality like the tube passes Bank station.
@ Nevermind (23h23)
did you mean “spawned” rather than “sporned”?
Attila the Hun’s grave is still to be found. Legends say with a coffin of gold and silver…
“Look around you, man, real life is everywhere! La vita e’ bella! Find the song on YouTube and sing along!”
Only Zionism mentality throws that little string into the camp – as a last resort.
Beautiful Mary – Bravo Heathcote! Some Iraqi children’s pictures can be seen here: – http://www.coia.org.uk/
@ Mark Golding – well, it is. In the real world that is. Unless you’re determined to see only the evil and the ugly.
That’s why I often think that Craig Murray doesn’t deserve you lot (I mean a good nmuber of the regular posters) : I get the impression that although a severe critic of many aspects of life he still enjoys it, and enjoys it a lot.
And he’s not blinded by hate either. Look at Mark Golding’s post above : to say that (real)life is good is to have a “Zionist mentality” and to be “a last resort””. It’s just pathetic.
BTW, I note the big silence re. the gay and lesbian marriage bill which was voted yesterday. A further step towards equality, which should be welcomed – loudly – by the eminences on this blog. Where’s Mary with her links? Nevermind? Doug Scorgie? Villager? Komodo? I say : three cheers for David Cameron on this one!
Cryptonym Now in my seventh decade I am proud to say that I have been in the presence of Mrs Windsor or any of her brood nor have I touched the hems of any of their garments! 🙂
Nevermind. Perhaps we will get a review of the ‘movie’ later – Ms Bigelow’s Zero Dark Thirty and the Navy Seals or maybe Mr Affleck’s CIA thriller Argo.
Ref incinerators, Surrey CC are rowing back on the design of the one given planning permission in Shepperton. http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2128346_ecopark_opponents_win_incinerator_uturn
Mary : good to see you’re up. How about a word of congratulation for Mr Cameron then? You are in favour of gay marriage, I trust?
Monsieur Hollande seems to think he has had hundreds of ‘Islamist militants’ killed in Mali. Were they all wearing labels saying ‘I am an Islamist militant’ or were many of the dead just ordinary men, women and children and how many have you had wounded Monsieur Hollande?
There are nine mentions each of the words ‘Islamist’ and ‘militant’ in this propaganda report.
France: Hundreds of Islamist militants killed in Mali
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21343473#
PS Habbabkuk I am always up before you just as I am up to your antics here.
@Habba.
Regarding Gay marriage, for most here is irrelevant.
The social equalitys more concerning are greed and laziness, and the lack of Christian virrues for example “do unto others.”.
But hey what are Christion valuea now.
Ask Blair and Bush.
Oh they are nor really in charge of their will.
Habitual Babbling again? Are you still suffering from the effects of your Mcdonalds burger then? And what sort of movie did you “take-in”?
Coucou, for awhile you had me believing you were reforming but, you are confirming that most men, except those with supple minds are incapable of changing. As a professedly good Catholic we know what your views on the subject are. Lets just expose you as a vacant, pathological, compulsive obsessive impostor.
Habbabkuk
6 Feb, 2013 – 8:38 am
It is not Mr. Cameron that is to be congratulated but firstly the Labour party then the LibDems and belatedly the coalition. But it is the House of Commons that is to be congratulated for approving the Bill.
During the 2010 leadership election of the Labour Party, all candidates said they were in favour of same-sex marriage.
On 21 September 2010, the Liberal Democrats publicly endorsed same-sex marriage by approving a motion called “Equal Marriage in the United Kingdom” at a conference in Liverpool .
The Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government initiated a consultation in 2011 on whether to allow both religious ceremonies and civil marriage for same-sex couples,[3] and said it would introduce a same-sex civil marriage bill [note civil marriage] by the next general election.
In 2012, the coalition government announced its support for same-sex marriages to be conducted in a place of worship, provided the religious body approved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage
PS: Have you come up with those books I asked about?
@ Doug Scorgie : Yes, exactly, it was the Coalition, led by David Cameron, which introduced the bill.
You can’t bring yourself to say a good word about him, can you. You old misery!
@ Mary : I think that Resident Dissident said all that needs to be said about you. Dishes it out by the bucketfull, but very thin-skinned when it comes to taking it.
John Goss. I did acknowledge your beautiful and moving poem about Ali Abbas above but put it on the previous thread by mistake. Warning the first link opens with that shocking photo of Ali’s charred arms and burnt torso.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/amelia-hill-is-a-dirty-liar/comment-page-3/#comment-392291
Habitual Babbler Kuku
Since you didn’t respond to my remarks above i take it that your Big Silence confirms that you stand exposed “as a vacant, pathological, compulsive obsessive impostor.”
Not a good idea to wear your religion on your sleeve.
As for Mary, i see you have your new-found-friend Res Diss that you are trying to instigate. Why do you insist on behaving like a dolt?
its this compulsive obsessive thing you have isn’t it? Confession time, good catholic?
H 10.18am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na675QXAtS4 and there’s another message here which the Beatles once sang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZRIO5PwG-E
Why do the BBC put the word abuse in inverted commas? And when is anybody in this or any of the other inquiries going to go on trial ?
6 February 2013
Two arrests in 1980s guest house ‘abuse’ inquiry
Police have made a fresh appeal for information about the allegations
Police investigating allegations of child abuse at a south-west London guest house in the early 1980s have arrested two men.
The Operation Fernbridge inquiry is looking at claims that senior political figures and others sexually abused boys at the Elm Guest House in Barnes.
Officers held a 66-year-old in Norfolk and a 70-year-old in East Sussex, the first arrests in the investigation.
Police began the probe after receiving information from Labour MP Tom Watson.
Scotland Yard said the allegations are not connected with current residents of the address.
It is also investigating links between the guest house and a nearby children’s care-home.
Commander Peter Spindler, head of the Metropolitan Police’s Specialist Crime Investigations unit, said the “complex multi-agency investigation” was supported by the NSPCC charity, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre and Richmond Social Services.
He said anyone affected by, or has information about, activity in the early 1980s at the Elm Guest House, or the Grafton Close care home in Barnes, should contact the NSPCC or police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21349730