The researchers had a hunch he was there. ATOS pass Richard III’s skeleton as fit to work.
Joking aside, the discovery of Richard III’s body is fascinating and wonderful. Aside from Shakespeare’s brilliant play (which is evidently not as physically inaccurate as we have been told for years), and the question of who killed the Princes in the Tower, there is a romance about lost dynasties which appeals to a deep human yearning for a golden age when things were somehow better, and for “lost futures”. What might have been, had those evil Stanleys not turned on Richard at Bosworth and put their miserable Welsh accountant on the throne?
Richard is described in today’s newspapers as the last English King. The Plantagenets were of course Angevin. The last English King – indeed the only English King of all England – was Harold Godwinson. Now there’s a lost dynasty for you.
We now know that Richard’s “Claim of Right” was almost certainly true and Edward IV a bastard, as his father was nowhere near his mother for months around the purported conception. But the so-called Royal line is, I am quite sure, sprinkled with bastards and no line at all. Not to mention that George I was 39th in line to the throne when given it 300 years ago, but the first Protestant.
Monarchy is bollocks, and something we should have outgrown a long time ago. Nice to see that today’s Prince Harry retains the tradition of remorseless homicide though.
Leicester University deserve congratulations on a genuine achievement. I hope Richard can now be reburied as soon as possible – as a Catholic, which is what he was. He was a human being. The degradation and display of his fresh corpse were horrible; but there is a danger of repeating it with a po face and feigned serious intent.
Sorry for the typo. “Speed” should read ” spread
Or if you prefer ” spewed”
Ah ha, the voices of censorship re-appear. But I suppose that’s normal when arguments and points are unassailable….
BTW the comparisons with Lord Haw Haw demonstrate rather well the un-real world some of the commmenters on this blog inhabit. Habbabkuk on craigmurray.org.uk is Lord Haw Haw in WW II! Gaia, I invite you to re-join what Resident Dissident called “the 99%”…
Habbabkuk, I hadn’t the foggiest what Gaia was going on about until the good Catholic pops-up and claims honest responsibility.
“Had to have a laugh at the lobster 65 preview tittle-tattle ‘Alex and Rupert do a deal’.”
We criticise all the leaders here, Cameron, Miliband, Cleg, Obama.
When I see someone worshipping a head of government, truly believing the sun shines out of his arsehole, proclaiming he can do no wrong it is worrying. Reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/now-is-the-winter-of-our-disinterment/#comment-392283
The case of this pensioner who died after being left without care for nine days has now being taken up by BBC London News last night and Sky News this morning. They parrot each other but do not detail the underlying shortcomings in the system where care is outsourced to for-profit agencies as I have said. In this case it was closed immediately following the Border Agency raid. The police are now investigating.
We used to have residential state run care homes and social services departments employed home helps and carers. Mrs T in her decline probably has round the clock nurses in residence.
I am not proud to live in a country where this case of terrible neglect has happened.
Trouble at’ mill, The Guardian staff are revolting…..against Rusbridger’s pay and staff sackings.
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1360219550.html
A story about another silly spad, this time one of Cleggover’s, which I spotted when visiting the site for the Guardian stuff above.
http://order-order.com/2013/02/07/clegg-spad-mcgrory-reported-for-partisan-eastleigh-blunder/
Fred: From you then just another nasty smear/scare from the unionist book of filthy tricks.
This time, a change for you: comparisions with Hitler, unsubtle, predictable, sad.
@JohnF “But the Anglo Saxon Kings did remain a powerful memory in England. The parliamentarians in the Civil War believed they had overthrown the Norman Yoke. The founding fathers in the US believed that their constitution was a remaking of the Anglo Saxon Constitution and their first warship was named Alfred. The Chartists wanted a return to the more open, democratic ideals of Alfred and Ethelflaed’s kingdom. A lot of Victorian and Edwardian painters celebrated portraits of Anglo Saxon kings. I can remember a pamphlet in the 1970′s demanding a return to the “Anglo Saxon Constitution.””
I feel like throwing off the Norman yoke too, whenever someone starts talking bureaucratic idiot talk to me, not necessarily using Romance roots, but saying e.g. “make aware” instead of “tell”, and “vehicle” instead of “car”.
A chap in a car garage the other day spoke about “ascertaining what the problem is, with reference to your vehicle”. He kept on bloody saying it. Normans out by 2066!
I’m no great fan of the Anglo-Saxon regime, but it’s fair to recognise that conditions under it were nicer, generally speaking, than under the Romano-British and Norman ones.
Anyway, the reason I’m posting is to ask whether you can say some more about the US founding fathers’ references to things Anglo-Saxon. The Anglo-Saxon regime didn’t have a constitution (which can only be written, and is not equivalent to ‘tradition’ or ‘custom’; no regimes should be judged in terms of what its scribes or publicists say about it), but to what extent did the USFFs refer to Anglo-Saxon notions?
I believe the modern (mainly outside of the UK) usage of ‘Anglo-Saxon’ to describe the area consisting of the UK, the US and the mainly white Commonwealth countries, dates back no earlier than about 1900.
As for US WASPs, personally I call them ‘Yankees’ 🙂
‘Anglo-Saxon’ has ethnic as well as political connotations. Thus Singapore, which is highly ‘Anglo’, doesn’t count. Nor does the Republic of Ireland, which has an English-style legal system. Nor of course do Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales, despite large-scale Saxon and English influences.
Was ‘Ethelflaed’ (Alfie’s daughter) a typo for ‘Ealhswith’ (his missus)?
I imagine that to get rid of the monarchy would need the permission of all the other realms who have the Queen as their head, and they might not agree 🙂
What would it have meant to ‘die a Catholic’ in 1485, bearing in mind that Luther was 2 years old, and Henry VII’s granddaughter had yet to be branded a heretic by the Pope?
Some corruption involved here methinks.
The Department of Health has been criticised for allowing a new hospital in Peterborough while a private firm was being hired to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital 24 miles away.
The MPs said there had been a “complete lack of strategic oversight” of NHS services in the region.
[The Commons public accounts committee said] that “the strategic management of health resources across the East of England SHA [Strategic Health Authority] has failed”.
It said the Department of Health was “ultimately responsible” for the decision to locate two hospitals “only 24 miles apart… in an area of the country where the NHS has a long-acknowledged over-provision of acute healthcare”.
The new Peterborough City Hospital was built under a private finance initiative (PFI) scheme which has proven to be financially “catastrophic” for the Peterborough and Stamford Hospitals Trust, the committee said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21356563
Shooting The Messenger…continued.
http://www.cpj.org/blog/2013/01/will-israel-respond-to-questions-on-targeting-gaza.php
Last I heard, it was all about taking out a TV aerial. Shame about the collateral damage to observers on the ground, but all those rockets. And the Holocaust…
@Robbie. Good question! To say Richard III was a Catholic means that he was a communicant member of the ‘Roman’ Catholic church, unlike Orthodox Christians (both ‘Greek’ Orthodox and the ‘Russian’ Orthodox who earlier in the 15th century declared Moscow as the third Rome), other Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, etc. etc. etc., of that time.
OK so what does that mean?
The position is different from what it is with Alfred.
Alfred, who died before 1016, might just as accurately be called Orthodox as ‘Roman’ Catholic.
This is because he was a communicant member of the Rome-Byzantium church before the 1054 schism into West and East. And if we want to call him Orthodox, we might just as accurately say ‘Russian’ as ‘Greek’, because that split happened 4 centuries later. For who’s to say which of these gangs really holds the ‘true’ apostolic thread? 🙂
This is not idle prattle on my part. Have a look at where the relics of Edward the Martyr are kept (it’s near Woking) and who by.
Protestants don’t believe in that apostolic thread stuff, so neither Alfred nor Richard III could be called Protestants.
But…wait a minute…here come the Anglicans, ‘Anglo-Catholic’ faction, waving their monarchist banners…
They, of course, do think they hold the thread…
They, unlike the evangelical Anglicans, therefore get the inverted commas around ‘Anglican’ for the same reason as it went around ‘Roman’, ‘Greek’ and ‘Russian’ above.
Let’s not forget how loony a regime we live in…
…The ‘queen’ gets presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh at Epiphany each year in the Chapel Royal in St James’s Palace.
She wears white when she meets the pope. Work that one out. It’s because she’s viewed by her creepy followers as the head of a religion.
The Church of England’s ‘creed’ declares “We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.”
(The only exclusively Anglican saint is Charles I. Canonised by the Church of England after the Reformation. Talk about the Tory party at prayer! This isn’t so amusing, given that the official position since 1660, both before and after the Act of Union, has been that the monarch is immune from suit and can’t be criminally tried, and that when Charles Stuart actually was tried, and found guilty, of offences including murder and treason, that was only because the House of Commons had been taken over by criminals.)
So…I take your point, Robbie, to the extent that those members of the Church of England who fly the flag of the ‘true’ apostolic succession, and who keep away from any suggestion that they might be Protestants, could put in a claim for Richard III with just as much ‘legitimacy’ as the ‘Roman’ Catholic claim.
The Lutherans, though – nah, not them. 🙂 Dicky Turd wasn’t a Proddie.
(Don’t get me started!)
“I can’t see a logical reason why bankers or other elites would find it beneficial to their interests to pressurise governments (UK or US) to introduce same sex marriage but I am open to suggestions”
It might equally be difficult to understand why bankers were so keen on feminism, but they were. The Rockefeller Foundation bankrolled the Women’s Lib movement in the 60s and 70s. Turned out the reason was to increase the tax take by encouraging more women to work and also to weaken the mother-child bond so the state could assume greater control over children.
Something similar may be going on here. A long-term weakening of the nuclear family resulting in yet more scope for state intervention and control. Just a thought.
@ MJ. I agree that they are consciously aiming to weaken the nuclear family and have already done so to a great extent, and also that the whole business is about being able to control people more.
The means is atomisation…individualism…and the carrier ideology is ‘freedom’ understood in a totally market sense.
Where you go wrong is hypostatising the notion of the state. Feminism was about encouraging women to do paid work, yes. But that wasn’t principally about the ‘tax take’; it was about getting more surplus value produced for those in control, as well as building up markets and consumerism, which is based on atomisation. You overload the ‘state’ here… The ruling class is fundamentally capitalist. The state is one weapon it uses.
@MJ – so I agree about same-sex message.
Another thing we will probably get is lowering the voting age to 16. Hello to a chunk of votes even more malleable than the others. Maybe youngsters can tweet their votes in? 🙁 It’s the next stop on from ‘liking’ crap at Facebook or on internet forums, right? Watch this space. Talk about mindfuck.
But even more importantly than that, it might be a move towards allowing people to sign contracts at 16, which the money-lenders would of course absolutely love.
One of results of increasing the proportion of people going to university has been to get almost the whole of the population into big-time debt as soon as they are legally able to take on debt, namely at 18. (Britain and Ireland very much stand out relative to other nearby countries on this.) As a piece of moneylender-caused social engineering, this rivals the spread of the mortgage. So…push push push, let’s try to get it down to 16…or why not 10.
OK before I go, on gay marriage – here’s a video that says it all, thanks to Laurel and Hardy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF342eM90dY
ROFL!
“MPs do not “consult” the electorate on individual issues, they are representatives and not delegates.”
Our resident troll, already screaming ‘censoreship’ before we even have booted him out, a very Israeli notion that, screaming before something has happened, is a supporter of dictatorship, rather than mandated politics, what a revelation.
Well sunny girl, that is were you have to learn, because this scenario, perpetuated by the minority party politicians, is exactly the sort of free bootery Pirates used in their murderous occupation, for Queen and country, blessed by the establishment.
Independent politics will show you what it means to piss on people’s life, Schmuck, they had enough of the likes of you.
That said, we have listened to this ‘thing’ for weeks, waited for contributions from her/him and got lectures on how to run this blog, and although we could do with a mascot, I think, we deserve a better one than this.
I second Gaia’s call to have Habbakuk removed now, he had his chance and we had our entertainment, now its time to go home, oh dear, looking at his specs, what a pity, he seem to have no home, because occupied Jerusalem belongs to Palestine
Ah well there is always a card board box for you somewhere. Bye bye.
Zionist spokesperson and Lubavitch Rabbi Schochet on Big Questions – Lubavitch supports genocide of the Palestinians and excuses child abuse within the Jewish community
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/big-questions-gerald-scarfes-cartoon.html
and:
Israeli Army Ignores High Court as it Evicts Palestinian village
http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/israeli-army-ignores-high-court-as-it.html
Yes, I can see your point, N_.
But I’m still not sure what it means to ‘die a Catholic’ in 1485 when you’ve been hacked to death by French mercenaries.
@ Gaia Hepburn 7 Feb, 2013 – 7:22 am
I share your feelings but I disagree with your solution. I believe we should sort these problems out ourselves. As far as I am aware, there is only one moderator here (hi, Jon, much appreciated) and banning someone means that the ban then has to be enforced – check for new name, same IP address – and anyway, anybody IT savvy can get round it.
My solutions:
(1) Remind the people who persistently respond to him that they are just as much a part of the problem as he is.
(2) Skip any comment by or addressed to him. This one is surprisingly satisfying, try it.
Re. trolls (do you have a troll? The shelter down my road does rescue trolls if anyone’s interested):
http://farriersforum.com/threads/troll-management.415/
….it is vital that trolls maintain a steady diet of ambivalence and ignorant bliss to maintain their puny stature. As much as you want to punish him or her, remember that little FluffyLoveBunny needs to be ignored after he or she comes home with you. A steady diet of neglect will keep you living in harmony with your new troll!
I’m going to call mine Hugglesnuck.
@ N_ 7 Feb, 2013 – 12:01 pm
“One of results of increasing the proportion of people going to university has been to get almost the whole of the population into big-time debt as soon as they are legally able to take on debt, namely at 18. (Britain and Ireland very much stand out relative to other nearby countries on this.) As a piece of moneylender-caused social engineering, this rivals the spread of the mortgage. So…push push push, let’s try to get it down to 16…or why not 10. ”
The importance of this has been completely overlooked. Even left-wing friends of mine with children about to go off to university seem to shrug. They have bought the government propaganda that with a cheap loan there is no problem.
There IS a problem – big one. The average person graduating from now on will end up repaying something around £100,000 over 30 years, at todays money. With inflation it will be a lot more. Thats over £3000 per year. Its in the same range as the debt from buying a house.
And this could get worse. The Student Loan Company is going to be privatised. Currently it is set to charge 3% + RPI interest on loans. There seems no guarantee that the rate will not be increased. Plus the government will act as debt collectors for them
People will be turned into debt serfs by this.
“Monarchy is bollocks”
Never more succinctly phrased !
OT:
And what does St Andrews University have to say for itself? So far silence. Here’s its website profile on the fraudster alleged to have bombed a department store & fathered a child using fake ID. They now employ him to teach ‘terrorism studies’: http://is.gd/KKRVdu
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Read the background here:
http://is.gd/MDY1zx
“Fred: From you then just another nasty smear/scare from the unionist book of filthy tricks.
This time, a change for you: comparisions with Hitler, unsubtle, predictable, sad.”
Cameron is a slimeball, Clegg is a slimeball, Miliband is a slimeball, Salmond is a slimeball and any one of them would sell their souls to the devil or Murdoch for political gain.
There’s something decidedly amiss when people start worshipping political leaders as saints who can do no wrong.
“There’s something decidedly amiss when people start worshipping political leaders as saints who can do no wrong.”
It can only end in tears and disillusionment too.