Were I an Iranian negotiator, I would insist on a no first use declaration by Israel as a precondition of any deal, and a timetabled commitment by all parties to negotiate a nuclear free Middle East.
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@ Mary :
I do not know anything about how black Eithiopian Jews are being treated in Israel. If, however, it were the case that they are suffering discrimination of any sort because of their skin colour, then I would deplore it.
@ Villager :
“B. because of the lure of money she {ie Claire Perry} would not have left them if she was going to cut the mustard”
That is a foolish comment on several levels.
1. You are making an assumption about someone you know little if anything about.
2. You’re one of the commenters who has an occasional rant at bankers and management consultants. So you should be happy that she left them because that makes it one banker/management consultant fewer.
3. Furthermore, if she left because she didn’t cut the mustard, then that would show, would it not, that she is not evil enough to be a banker/management consultant.
I realise that you probably posted that flawed comment in your haste to rush to the defence of Mary, but you should really try and keep to a minimum standard of cogency and logic.
@ Mary :
“This is Mr Perry”
Here’s Mrs Claire Perry slyly damned through her husband.
You probably know that during the Stalinist terror of the 1930s, if one spouse was executed on whatever the trumped up charge was, it was common praactice to send the other spouse into exile (or even imprisonment) and the children were put into state orphanages. This was a varianht of visiting the sins of the father onto the child.
Sound familiar, Mary?
Even the Nazis didn’t as a rule go in for that. Which, in a certain sense – and toutes proportions gardées – makes you, morally speaking, worse than a Nazi, doesn’t it.
Israel 1984
Habbabkuk, Israel public health authorities have been reported by Israeli press as surreptitiously administering contraception to black jews. The truth or otherwise, I don’t know, as information and misinformation are so often delivered together, intertwined, like two snakes in loving embrace. I find it plausible and I think the authorities have the burden of proving that the reports are false. If the reports are proven to be true, the government will need to feign ignorance and blame it on a rogue official. What other possibility is there?
Contributor behind “Habbabkuk”, it is you that isn’t “getting it”. The corporate media constantly glorify these people such as Perry. They are presented as “natural leaders”. The corporate media indoctrinate their readers to believe that society should be controlled by the rich, that it is right and proper that the majority of the influential should pass through a tiny minority of privileged schools and, mainly, just one university. It is incestuous.
So Mary has a go at these people; so what? It provides a much needed balance to the near deification constantly projected by the corporate media. Mary provides a fine service by revealing the links between these people, showing that our “representatives” are a tightly-bound clique, a tiny minority utterly unrepresentative of the vast majority of people.
Want to see snide comments and put-downs from the corporate media? There’s plenty of it, but it’s directed at the weak, the poor and the powerless; the single mums, “benefit scroungers”, people addicted to corporately promoted junk food, people who steal due to poverty or to try to look like they’re living up to the corporately promoted lifestyle.
By your constant attacks you give the impression of supporting that which Mary opposes. You write that “life is good”; it becomes easy to believe that your life is indeed good, and that you don’t care what happens to anyone else so long as your life stays that way.
Good lord Habby how do you live with yourself?
I see you are such a confused/fragmented being. Which may be driving your constant demand for clarity from others, where really you need to be sorting out your inner world. Its affecting your ability to comprehend.
She’s a climber. A failed consultant and a failed banker–a mediocre mind with the gift of the gab that has become your politician. EXCEPT seated next to the slightly-built immensely wise Ken Loach, her gab’s use, it turns out, is best for blow jobs.
Quote from the Independent:
“On paper, it’s easy to see why some of Perry’s constituents find her hard to take. She talks a lot about fighting poverty, yet she’s an ex-banker who sends three kids to boarding school. She campaigns for wholesome values, such as blocking online porn, but is happy to turn the air blue herself. Like the time she walked into the House of Commons tearoom after a debate, and said: “What do I have to do to speak, give the Speaker a blow job?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/claire-perry-i-am-not-a-celebrity-it-is-not-the-jungle-8449405.html
Further:
On February 28th 2013 Perry ‘trended’ for some time on Twitter – due to the hostile reaction to her strident and clumsily expressed views when a guest on BBC Question Time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claire_Perry
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She’s all yours, you can have her–she’s not my type, and while I have tangoed with a banker or two, I now prefer women who are deeper than their throats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkQpVgOcGVY
Where the Perrys live there is a summer gathering. Last year they had Gove along and Paxman.
This year in June they have these treats in store. Among many others, a Spitfire in a vintage air show, Boris, Lumley, Pantsdown, Stourton, Hislop and Sebag Montfiore on Jerusalem. The only one missing seems to be Kirstie Allsop.
http://www.cvhf.org.uk/speakers
http://www.cvhf.org.uk/festival-programme
On the first day Laurence Rees will be speaking on…
•Event 3 – The Dark Charisma of Adolf Hitler: Leading Millions Into the Abyss
Can’t see anything about the Mandate of Palestine or Al Naqba The Occupation though.
Much looking back to the glory days of Empire with bits of history thrown in. Penelope Marland is one of the trustees of the charity. Wife of Lord Jonathan who resigned as a government minister at the same time as Strathclyde. Still a trade envoy for Cameron. A one time party treasurer too.
The Trustees are Peter Bell, Tom Holland, Penny Marland and Stephen Whitmore.
CHALKE VALLEY HISTORY FESTIVAL MANAGEMENT
James Heneage, Joint Festival Chair and Managing Director.
Founder of Ottakar’s chain of Bookshops, sold to Waterstones in 2006. Former Chairman of Cheltenham Literature Festival. Now a writer of historical fiction.
James Holland, Joint Festival Chair and Programme Director.
Best-selling author of historical fiction and non-fiction, broadcaster and presenter.
Peter Bell, Treasurer.
Managing Director, UK M&A, Bank of America Merrill Lynch and trustee of SWAN Advocacy Network, a mental health charity.
Jane Pleydell-Bouverie, Development Director.
Former television producer & Governor of the Royal Ballet, currently Governor of Live Music Now and Trustee of Rambert School of Ballet & Contemporary Dance.
Rachel Holland, Operations Director.
Long experience in Executive Search with specialisation in the education sector.
The Chalke Valley History Festival has a Steering Committee comprising the above plus Pam Clover, Hannah Bell, Abigail Ashton-Johnson, Penny Marland, George Ashe and Katie Whitmore, all of whom perform various management services for the Festival.
I am so glad I do not live in Broadchalke. There are so many establishment cliques in Salisbury, even within the Cathedral. One of my relations lives there and cannot wait to get out.
Clark, at 17h35, says that “Mary provides a fine service” (with her numerous posts).
I wonder if you would include, for instance, her latest post (18h41) in that description? I suppose you would, so let’s take a look at it and discover “fineness”.
She starts off by telling us that there will be a “summer gathering” where the Perrys live (nb – not in the grounds of their home, just in the “place” (?village) where they live) and tells us the names of some of the guests.
She then appears to complain that nobody will be speaking on Palestine.
Next, we learn the names of a few of the trustees of the festival. These names will mean nothing to 99,99% of readers (and indeed, why should they).
And now Mary rounds off with a list of the Festival management. We learn that most of the people in question have daytime jobs which an observer might agree have some relevance (greater in some cases, lesser in others) to the organisation of a festival of that kind.
So the conclusion has to be that this post teaches us nothing, it says nothing of relevance to anything (challenge to Mary : what point are you trying to make? ) and it will be forgotten – even by the Eminences of this blog – as soon as Mary comes up with her next scoop. On short, it is dross.
A fine service, indeed.
@ Villager :
You are excelling yourself today, with one lot of silliness following rapidly on its predecessor.
Let’s disregard the pocket psychology with which you start off (a pale imitation of Clark’s nonsense – please do try to be original for once!) and go to the substance.
She’s a “failed banker and failed consultant and has a mediocre mind”. Why should I take your word for that without further explanation? What is your status in matters of success or failure for that matter? And as far as the mediocre mind is concerned, I don’t get the impression from your posts and responses to the posts of others that you’re the sharpest knife in the drawer. So why should I accept your judgement?
The “immensely wise Ken Loach” – it is the sign of a mediocre mind to ascribe great wisdom to anyone whose opinions you happen to share. But perhaps I’m being unfair to you and so offer you the opportunity to substantiate your claim. Be as long as you like with objective examples of his immense wisdom.
It is apparently easy to see why “some of her constituents find her hard to take”. Yes, that’s the funny thing about elected MPs, you’ll usually find that every one of them has some people who find him:her hard to take and others who find him/her to be the bees knees. Anyway, the outcome of the next General Election will tell us which group is in the majority.
About her “sins”: I know you’re just quoting the Independent – but I imagine with approval? – but these two (yes, just two) arguments for why she is hard to take are rather light, aren’t they? Many socialists politicians – going back well beyond the Blair years, thank you very much have called for equality but sent their children to private schools. And yo are surely not seriously equating the dissemination of pornography with cracking one off-colour “joke”?
And finally : she trended on Twitter. As do thousands of others. Why do you single her out? And what is your problrm with that?
So you see, dear Villager, that your post is, like the last one of Mary’s – dross. It will take greater intellectual firepower than that to convonce people you have a serious case. Beta double minus/gamma for you today, I’m afraid.
Contributor behind “Habbabkuk”, I am more interested in what people contribute than the various bits and pieces that may not prove useful. Hopefully you remember that I’ve given you credit when you’ve contributed something of value. In a mesh of powerful or influential individuals, who knows what may prove to be important? Mary seems to do well, and often comes up with links that help to illuminate structures that are not advertised. If this trawling process also produces some links that go nowhere, so be it.
You, on the other hand, rarely contribute anything original at all. I object to your constant criticism of other contributors, which could be seen as an attempt to intimidate them into silence.
Habbabkuku:
“So you see, dear Villager, that your post is, like the last one of Mary’s – dross. It will take greater intellectual firepower than that to convonce people you have a serious case.”
Habitual Babbler,
You are not ‘people’, you are just a jackass. Don’t flatter yourself that i feel compelled to convince a dolt like you of anything.
I’m well aware of the limit of my genius, possibly even calibrated to below average here, but I’m equally, and now acutely, aware of the infinity of your stupidity. Lets ask actual people if they see any ‘intellectual firepower’ coming from your selfsame fancied direction?
HENCE READY
TO PRESS THE
IGNORE BUTTON
ARRIVEDERCI
Seven lines from Villager and not a single counter to any of my comments.
I was too generous – you’re a straight gamma.
@ Clark
“who knows what may prove to be important?”
Otherwise known as the scatter-gun approach. The occasional gold nugget in a sea of bilge?
All for today.
“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.”
― Albert Einstein
Hearing Villager quoting from Einstein is to recognise the truth of the saying “throwing pearls before swine”.
BTW – some substantive answers, please? Take your time, get it right!
Ms Doucet, usually carrying the messages of and sometimes for war, thinks that there is some hope for a good outcome of the talks.
Nuclear talks: New approach for Iran at Almaty
Saeed Jalili said the talks had been “more realistic” than in the past
Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili hailed the talks as a possible “turning point,” while a senior US official just labelled them “useful”.5
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21619461
@ Mary
“Iran’s chief negotiator Saeed Jalili hailed the talks as a possible “turning point”, while a senior US official just labelled them “useful”.
Is the purpose of your post to hint that the Iranians are being positive and flexible and seeking a successful conclusion to the diplomatic process while the Americans are dragging their feet with the aim of ensuring that the talks do not succeed?
If that is the case, and given that you were not at the talks, how can you possibly know?
You are as thick as a plank and are becoming more stupid by the day
Those were the words of the BBC report.
Go and do something useful for a change.
@ Mary :
Yes, they were the BBC’s words and since the underlying message suited you for once (because you don’t like the BBC much, do you) you hastened to make us aware of them.
You are the stupid one, I think.
I note in passing that you avoid answering the main point, as always.
The main point being that you are a plank. Now go chew your boots and stop disrupting this blog. It is too valuable to be ruined by a type like you. I expect you know you are a laughing stock.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
2 Mar, 2013 – 5:03 pm
You say:
“I do not know anything about how black Eithiopian Jews are being treated in Israel. If, however, it were the case that they are suffering discrimination of any sort because of their skin colour, then I would deplore it.”
First: “I do not know anything about how black Eithiopian Jews are being treated in Israel.”
Well Habbabkuk don’t you think you should find out? Research seems to be something you don’t do.
Secondly: “… If, however, it were the case that they are suffering discrimination of any sort because of their skin colour, then I would deplore it.”
Why do you not deplore the discrimination meted out by Zionists on the Palestinian people in Israel; the West Bank and Gaza simply because they are Muslims and Arabs?
Mary, you’re still not answering the main point, are you.
When challenged, insults instead of answers are little Mary’s stock-in-trade.
But I can understand it in a way : before I came along, Mary probably wasn’t used to being challenged. Her feet of clay were concealed.
I’m quite pleased that I’ve probably helped many of the followers of this blog see what a good number of her incessant contributions to this blog are really worth, judging by her unwillingness and/or inability to defend them.
@ Dougie Scourge (21h30):
Have you done serious research into the situation of the Australian aboriginals, the people of the First Nations of Canada and the plight of the Amazonian Indian tribes?
Don’t you think you should?
You yourself have deplored on this blog the discrimination meted out by Zionists to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.
Why do you not deplore the discrimination meted out to the Australian aboriginals, the peoples of the First Nations of Canada and the tribes of the Amazonian basin?
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La vita è bella, life is good!
If the commenter at http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/nuclear-negotiations-with-iran/#comment-396946 has not already sought psychiatric help to cure his schtick, I suggest he does so and soon.
cf Mary, nice and early again (07h36) – you see, yet another insult but still no reasoned answer. Hopeless.
As a reminder, the question was : do you (you, Mary) believe that the Iranians are approaching the ongoing diplomatic negotiations in a constructive, positive spirit while the Americans are doing their best to make sure they don’t succeed.
You’re always very vociferous, and it was you who posted the link to the BBC report, so let’s have your take on this. Thank you.
You really do think you are the Resident Interrogator, don’t you! Asking stupid meaningless questions to which there is no answer. If I say A you would follow up with another stupid question or comment. If I said B, the same would apply.
E-mail Ms Doucet if you want to know what she thinks. You are like that pre 6pm News programme on BBC 1 which is called Pointless.
You even have had the nerve to cross question Craig.
Get lost and find a broom cupboard in which you can have an argument with yourself.
Remind me not to reply to you ever again even when you attempt to antagonize me.
“Have you done serious research into the situation of the Australian aboriginals, the people of the First Nations of Canada and the plight of the Amazonian Indian tribes?”
“Don’t you think you should?”
“You yourself have deplored on this blog the discrimination meted out by Zionists to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza.”
“Why do you not deplore the discrimination meted out to the Australian aboriginals, the peoples of the First Nations of Canada and the tribes of the Amazonian basin?”
Yes I have done the research. (By the way you missed out the USA aboriginal tribes).
I do deplore the discrimination meted out to those you mention and others you don’t mention.
Sorry that last post was directed at Habbabkuk
Habbabkuk
On the Bradley Manning thread you rant about my questioning of Guano’s credentials:
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
2 Mar, 2013 – 9:16 pm
@ Dougie :
“How does it feel to be always suspecting something?
I suspect you’re from Alpha Centauri.”
Habbabkuk
3 Mar, 2013 – 8:05 pm
“Yes yes, I know, the whole world’s a conspiracy against you and your thirst for true knowledge.”
“Lucky for you that Mary and the other Eminences are here to keep you on the path of true knowledge, right?”
Chump.
Habbabkuk
3 Mar, 2013 – 8:08 pm
“I have reason to suspect that guano….etc”
“Reason to suspect” – isn’t that the language used by police, prosecutors and others of whom I suspect you don’t approve?”
“Who cares what you suspect?”
“Pompous twit.”
Habbabkuk you are letting your true purpose show through (i.e. TROLL). You seem to be getting annoyed.
Why does guano not reply to my original question?
Why do you feel a need to defend him?
Are you one and the same?
Habbabkuk
Masturbating in front of a full length mirror can have profound psychological consequences that could seriously diminish your ability to put forth a cogent argument.
Please refrain.