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It misses the point; as per usual.
Very interesting examination of BRIICS Courtenay.
I am dismayed anyway that countries are overtly dominated by others, systematically blackmailed into trading in accordance with the greed of the mightiest.
We need a world where countries can protect themselves and remove themselves from the affairs of others when repressed by them, and not to fear parallel sanctions and even invasion when they try.
That should be a matter of international justice, to determine when unjust pressure is put on a country by another. But the currencies concerned are so huge, no international court has been allowed to coalesce by the most dominant of any kind of entities, which could be capable of checking them.
So I see it is a sign that all is not lost to unjust and uncheckable might, that BRIICS is even capable of moving against the prevailing.
Some people will say BRIICS moves for only its own benefit and has ambitions as ruthless as the system it defies, and since it is not “our” system it should only be feared.
We should have fears for the future of BRIICS and “our” system. The crying need is to create agreements and forces of peace and justice which are more powerful in global combination, than any other competitive power in the world be it financial, military or political.
It must arise politically or socially or privately, somehow, anyhow — if we are to stop abusing modern technological and communicative capabilities to crush each other, and survive in and heal the critically damaged global environment.
The future of BRIICS is as unpredicatable anything, in the present it can hopefuly represent a counter force to the prevailing curse of tyrannic opportunism.
@ Ben Franklin
How do you know I missed the point, you arrogant so-and-so?
Although it would have been easy enough to do so with that treacly, semi-literate prose of yours standing in the way. And as it happpens I don’t think the quotation is very apposite to your….”point”.
I suppose you’re pissed because you feel your quotation would be worth less appearing in a play than it would if it came from More himself?
In futyre, always attribute quotations properly, it helps. 🙂
@ Courtenay and Crab
Have you any particular reason for thinking that the BRICs, as they get stronger, will behave more morally than any other industrial, capitalist country?
@ Guano,
“Courtenay
Surely the main banking villains of the world bank are also in control of BRIIICS.”
Thank you for that – and don’t think that the thought did not cross my mind. However, let us be realistic:-
1. A potentially nuclear armed Iran.
2. The CIA endlessly – from 1954 ( 3?) played an active role in the life and political existence of Iran.
3. In 1979 there was a popular revolution – and – there was a certain funded 8 years war (by whom?) to destroy the Iranian revolution.
So – are you then saying that the inclusion of Iran and Indonesia automatically is an inclusive global banking dictated process – when a war between Israel/US and Iran is looming?
Over to you.
CB
@ Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)
” @ Courtenay and Crab
Have you any particular reason for thinking that the BRICs, as they get stronger, will behave more morally than any other industrial, capitalist country?”
I respond at two levels:-
1. A country and its poliicians in one of the BRIC countries is faced with socio-economic challenges and needs to provide for the people in that BRIC country.
2. At the local level – what do you expect the local political and/or political process within the BRIC country to do, if not:-
i) Challenge the global structure that imposes the conditinalities that impoverish in perpetuity that BRIC country;and
ii) If not to have a popular revolution ( e.g. Iran) – then to move collectively against the old imperial order ( i.e.in conjuction with the other BRICS) because their global historical placement is faced with more similatities and causes offered for collective unity – far more than the Washington agenda can either rationally comprehend – or – moving forward – defeat. So brace yourselves for more wars as desperation to maintain the status quo sets in!
Fucking idiots – war! – war! and more war!
CB
Please – let me hear your third option – roll over – play dead – then hope that Santa Clause arrives at Christmas?
Man – get real!
CB
@ A Node,
” http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/commentary/east-ca/learn-how-to-hate-the-desert-with-ted.html”
Thanks for sharing this.
I read it and have very serious doubts about the line of argument challenging Savory:-
1. It does not directly address the argument advanced by Saavory.
2. It is largely tangential and fails to single out any majour premise and then attack and destroy or discredit same.
3. The article begs its conclusion.
Give me the evidence that contradicts what was said by Savory. If there are scientists on this thread – then, plese, jump in and provide the counter-point(s) scientific proofs and arguments.
CB
Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella)
30 Mar, 2013 – 8:10 pm
“@ Ben Franklin
How do you know I missed the point, you arrogant so-and-so?
…
In futyre, always attribute quotations properly, it helps.”
Piss off you Babbling cunt — we don’t need senile old farts like you tell people around here what to do. And stay contrite because you’re the only prick around here with a proven track-record of sock-puppeting. You don’t get lower than that, get it? In fact you are the only prick around here at all, with or without your sock-puppet. You are missing the point around here — find yourself another blog to crap in.
I already explicitly covered my position for HBKs late inquiry. It is a unanswerable distraction into future FUD, just the stuff which perpetuates aggression, FUD mongers self fulfill perpetual danger.
In the knowable present BRIICs gives substance to the hope that the current ripped off countries can defy foreign tyranny. If we don’t want to be ripped off by them in the future, (if you wouldn’t rip someone off just because you had the upper invisible hand) the time is long begging and fading to make arrangements for fairness in international relations.
USA could and should have done this when the USSR fell, the world would be loving them for it.
@ Crab,
“In the knowable present BRIICs gives substance to the hope that the current ripped off countries can defy foreign tyranny. If we don’t want to be ripped off by them in the future, (if you wouldn’t rip someone off just because you had the upper invisible hand) the time is long begging and fading to make arrangements for fairness in international relations.”
And do take your comment seriously. Unless the people stand up – their bank accounts will stand down. Guaranteed.
The problem with Savorys presentation besides the would-be trivial communication errors, is it didn’t contain any substantial evidence to what are very remarkable claims.
Seriousness is so diverted.
@Crab,
” …very remarkable claims.”?
He gave a presentation that relied on photographic evidence.
If, and this point does not weigh in your favour ( why do you refer to yourself as “Crab” – surely you have a real name?). Anyway – the photos, if ever proven to have been falsified then will make Savory a charlatan. Until you are able to provide that evidence to me – I side with Savory – and – I say further that he did display time-line photos. My eyes saw what my eyes saw. If he was a fraud – then – that is where our debate has reached – now – you establish that he is a fraud.
That is my extant challenge to you “Crab”.
Cheers.
CB
@Crab,
” In the knowable present BRIICs gives substance to the hope that the current ripped off countries can defy foreign tyranny. If we don’t want to be ripped off by them in the future, (if you wouldn’t rip someone off just because you had the upper invisible hand) the time is long begging and fading to make arrangements for fairness in international relations.”
You have better be immediately concerned about for “fairness in the “first world”. If you don’t understand what I am saying – wait – just wait – few more months – then the polulace at large in the First world will soon, very soon begin to feel the pain as the Third World has felt for centuries.
CB
“That is my extant challenge to you “Crab”.”
I havent the heart to take it up C. It was just a few photos, they dont tell me anything except vegetation levels can change, which i knew anyway. I think the mans message should researched by people who can generate sufficient data to very it, which can come in the form of hundreds of photos and collation, or just lots of quantifiable feild notes. It will take a few years to get confident about. In the meantime there is no time to waste on reducing co2 and other pollution and substiting energy supply clean renewable sources.
If his message is true, and he has known about it for years, he should by rights be a very wealthy farmer by now with an unstoppable unrecognised strategy. Im afraid i cant put hope it in.
@ Crab,
Havng read your reply, I stand my ground:-
” I havent the heart to take it up C. It was just a few photos, they dont tell me anything except vegetation levels can change, which i knew anyway.
1. It is either that he is a charlatan; or
2. He stated somehthing of merit.
Your post boil down to this:-
A. He is a charlatan;and
B. The photos sereve to prove that he is a charlatan.
Let me have the evidence and then my mind can be changed.
CB
“Give me the evidence that contradicts what was said by Savory.”
The evidence is the current worldwide understanding and practice that, if you overgraze your arid farmlands you risk damaging its fertility in the longer term. Farmers have naturally been observing what happens to their land in relation to their stocking levels and there will be a lot of literature and guidance on optimal stocking levels per land type. This mass of practical and commercial and academic evidence is what Savorys presentation contradicts.
I all truth, if he is right he never needed funding, he could possibly patent , rightly or wrongly. His business should be assured at every scale – livestock farming and property improvement. If you believe in it, go ahead and make a fortune with it.
You’re in a closed loop, crab.
How would I know it missed the point? *chuckle*
I try to avoid stating the obvious.
I dont know he is a charlatan, he may just has thrown a run of sixes or ones – whichever way you look at it. He may have had odd chances after his elephant cull experience and been emotionally affected towards a redemptive theory which survived in his own experience by chance.
I didnt want to start throwing possible unseemly explainations, but i got charged with it anyway, he did bring the elephant cull up and did unnecessarily drag in climate science, and didnt bring proper evidence, and hasnt made a commercial success yet of what should be a very commercial idea — Hes still doing studies or talks.
You can lie, you can lie to yourself, chance can lie to you. I dont know, but i know what is remarkable and what is required to establish remarkable things – more than talk and few photos , even more than a few graphs, more than hope.
bloop
Vegas loves a player with a system, crab. Maybe he should try counting on proposition bets.
@ Courtenay :
I interpret your response (at 20h27) to my question as a (long) “yes”. I share that opinion.
What you have done is to give two reasons why the BRICs will behave no differently from the currently economically mature countries in their actions on the world scene and towards other countries.
“Piss off you Babbling cunt — we don’t need senile old farts like you tell people around here what to do.2
Lovely.
“It is violence when we use a sharp word, when we make a gesture to brush away a person”. Krishnamurti.
Cards develope only deception and greed when played with money. Vegas should be located in Hell.
“piss off”,”cunt”, “fart”, “prick”, “crap”
My my, please don’t exhaust your vocabulary in one go, Village-Idiot, you might need a few four letter words for an future reply.
If your spewings weren’t so early in the evening (20h49) I’d have said that you were just back in from over-indulging at the pub.
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La vita è bella, life is good! (Happy Easter even to foul-mouthed vulgarians)
Courtenay I appreciate your news and largely share your view on BRICS.
curses shmurshes
“Vegas should be located in Hell.”
My GPS indicates that exact location.