A “Lib Dem” minister just told Sky News he was approving new nuclear power stations to promote green jobs. If anybody ever votes for these lying bastards again I shall be disconsolate.
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Vegas, ahhhh, the most unsustainable crap hole in the whole wide world.
our resident ‘it’ asked a question concerning his olde fart colon..nial past and mindset, i.e.
“Have you any particular reason for thinking that the BRICs, as they get stronger, will behave more morally than any other industrial, capitalist country?”
yes, we have, its called hope and you are factually wrong, The UK is not much of an industrial/manufacturing country and its economy is 900% of its GDP in debt, a country about to go bust.
Have you any particular reason to assume that the BRIIIC countries have not learned from, or are not aware of the bad examples the industrial capitalist, contemplating hyper inflation and poverty for all, rather than letting go, have dealt out against them in the past?
I shall let you off the answer, because your head already hurts after Technicolour’s subtle stroking of your brain cell, telling you to sling your hook, so, hop it thumper, its easter.
“Have you any particular reason to assume that the BRIIIC countries have not learned from, or are not aware of the bad examples the industrial capitalist, ”
Have you the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that they have? Corruption and an ever widening gap between the very rich and very poor are common to all BRIC nations and two already have a long record of interfering with the internal politics of weaker states.
People tend not to learn from the mistakes of others.
I keep getting the same vibe. When nymzies, as I call them, perterb the audience, ( and there is no escaping that metaphor) they (the audience) tend to lose track of the issue, not as though the mischievous poltergeists are caught by surprise and with delight, but rather, they wish us to believe so. We can have fun beating on their drum, but, as Mark keeps pointing out, ‘intention’ has great power. Your power is to keep your focus on priorities that lend themselves wrt the desired result. The disruption, both pyschically, and emotionally, misdirects the power we possess in totality.
Their power is their continued successful dilution into the tall weeds of wasted time. I’m not talking about honest disagreements. I’m talking about deliberate evasion with perpetual invasion. I think each of us can make the distinction without additional input.
Is anyone seeing that consistency? Fortunately, I have been spared of idiocy for the most part. This, in no way an endorsement of either self-editing or censorship. People should be able to speak to the contrary without hindrance.
What they don’t have a right to, is a response from me.
With the demands of topics, i find it hard to give space to niceties, even less nasties.
It feels as degrading to read or write curses for nymzies as it does their werks. Im sure they appreciate that too.
Some people might fear the threat BRIIC could become if they follow our example.
Others fear what we ourselves have become and wish to outlaw our example, for good and for all before it catches us up.
@ Ben
“It misses the point”.
LMAO.
Indeed it does Ben,indeed it does.
O/T interesting:
Career spy named new head of Britain’s MI5
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gTCRLa_9BN9sAb4ngQZ7K4ymeIkw?docId=CNG.0f3229bfdb866f81914c9d6b1bf7f6ab.461
A Node, 30 Mar, 2:38 pm; how was the rave, and can I come to the next one, please?
Glorious morning Clark, good to see you. And you’re doing something right by early to bed and early to rise. Be grateful you weren’t at the rave last night, so you can embrace this day!
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TC, thanks for that, off to the park to follow the sun. More later. But yes, love is the answer.
I should have thought that the BRICs, as they develop, will follow more or less the same (geopolitical and social)trajectory as that followed by the current economically and socially developed countries in the past.
To imagine that they will either learn from the mistakes of the latter, or are somehow going to develop a superior morality, is likely to be illusory. Unfortunately.
To clarify: a) I would not tell anyone to ‘sling their hook’, or if I did would regret it, as *this is not my board* b) reposting insults does not mean I condone them, on the contrary c) nor, apparently, would Krishnamurti.
BRICs is a meaningless acronym
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/tie.21519/asset/21519_ftp.pdf;jsessionid=BE35661E5FCE6D169BBC4CEFF2FC920B.d04t01?v=1&t=hey4bkbt&s=d418a5c7581c4c1e91acbfa0f66386665dc6f9e2
What do these countries have in common other than temporary high economic growth? High crime and corruption.
The latest update on a successful BDS campaign from EI. Ben and jerry’s are not the only supporting retailers, there are hundreds of others, including Christian charities in many EU countries and British supermarkets pretending to serve British farmers first.
So should you buy medjool dates at Morrisons from Israel, then they are packed and shipped in and from illegal settlements, don’t!
make do with other dates.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/guerrilla-research-exposes-sponsors-israeli-apartheid/12291
Jemand, the link leads to a ‘forbidden’ cache, anything better?
Humanity on the whole does not stand out as a galactic species to be promulgated or taken as an example, modernity has brought out the worst in us despite of. due to John Stuart Mills on liberty.
Liberty seems to have been designed only for those fortunate enough to accumulate and hold on to wealth throughout the centuries.
The citizens of Melos in ancient Greece, before being slaughtered by the Athenians were told
“You know as well as we do that right is only in question between equals in power, for the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
as AC Grayling writes in his book ‘towards the light’.
So what’s left is for the poor and weak to become stronger and louder on their way to the slaughter.
Last Thursday, on my way to SNDC to hand in my nomination (close of nominations is next Friday)I saw a forlorn hare scamper over field, slow and arduous. Whatever we feel about this drawn out winter, our wildlife is suffering far worse than we do. Last year march, in the field next to were I live, I reported ten hares playing, all at once, some boxing others chasing their tails.
This year I have yet to see one.
The recent Anti-Social Behavior Bill is unlawful in that it may restrict a respondent’s right to freedom of expression and prohibit that person from attending a lawful protest even if that person has not committed anything that constitutes anti-social behaviour.
The Bill is powered to preempt, for the purpose of prevention, a person’s behavior in that an injunction may be secured on the belief that any person over the age of ten years (10yrs) old may commit a breach of the Bill by anti-social behaviour or behaviour deemed to be a nuisance to the community.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/170651/draft-antisocial-behaviour-bill.pdf
Nevermind, this might work ..
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tie.21519/pdf
@ Hab and Crab,
” What you have done is to give two reasons why the BRICs will behave no differently from the currently economically mature countries in their actions on the world scene and towards other countries.”
I have to say two things – ” yes” and “maybe or might”.
The BRICS could repliacate the mistakes of the old order; or, maybe or might use the old lessons to establish a new world order that is more viable and sustainable for humankind.
You are correct – I cannot coclusive “no”.
P.S. Thanks for the exchanges – informative and thought provoking.
Mark
A couple of years ago my son had a breakdown and the stated aim of his mother and the doctors was to get him under control. No idea of questioning any of difficulties he had been placed in over his lifetime. This is now the mindset of government, to place all blame on people and exonerate themselves from blame. This is also the mindset of corporations.
I am trying to replace my boiler. Without an expansion vessel an unvented hot water cylinder can blow up your house. The government is working on the principle that by putting room for expansion in the form of psychotic drugs and tight legal control, no-one can release that pressure of resentment from the human soul or society’s collective conscience.
Curiously this contemptuous attitude to human existence is shared by the Muslim scholars who we see collaborating with the neo-cons in bringing the people under their control by war and terror, state or mercenary. What a joke that they call their system a free market. You can download over 1200 android applications for your human soul, but never forget that by using them you are no longer owned by God as you know Him, but by Goodle and the Zionist neo-cons.
Nevermind reminds us ever so often that he is standing as a candidate in fothcoming local elections, most lately here :
“Last Thursday, on my way to SNDC to hand in my nomination (close of nominations is next Friday)”
I very much hope for his sake that the electors don’t know who the Nevermind of this blog is in real life and that they don’t read his ‘contributions’ to this blog.
If they did, I would give my horse a better chance of being elected.
In fact, a horse would win hands down if rationality, intelligence and judgement had anything to do with things.
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La vita è bella, life is good! (Caligula)
Thanks for that draft Bill mark G., the criminalisation of ten year olds seem to have taken precedence over and above their educational requirements.
Thanks Jemand, I shall keep on open mind on these new emerging economies and their actions with regards to liberty and equality of opportunities. I suppose the next Olympics in Rio will shine a light on to Brazil, as it has done on China’s procrastinations and problems with the internet freedom of speech and firewalls.
I leave you with our Easter story here in the east, its all about nest eggs and feeling secure, not about scroungers, injury claimants.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/police_officer_claims_damages_against_thetford_petrol_station_owner_1_1997661
Part of Mark Golding’s link to Mr Andrews of MI5:
‘For years Pakistan’s tribal areas on the border with Afghanistan were the favoured haunt for Britain’s would-be Islamist terrorists, where they could learn their trade in making bombs and target-selection before returning home to carry out their missions. And while small numbers of British jihadis still continue to visit Pakistan, the prospect that the Free Syrian Army might actually succeed in overthrowing the Assad regime has inspired a new generation of extremists to focus on Syria. Rather than risk being apprehended and sentenced to lengthy prison sentences in Britain, the current generation of home-grown extremists are attracted by the promise of joining a cause that might actually succeed.’
The only context in which any Muslim can take up the struggle against Assad is in the context of CIA’s franchises . Those groups argue that fighting under the CIA franchises will improve the situation for Muslims over what has existed under the CIA’s dictators, and can potentially lead to a blossoming of Islam under a future Islamic government.
Anybody who disagrees with this strategy is treated in a similar fashion to the way that Thatcher treated Socialism. The world has benefited hugely by the introduction of uncontrolled financial freedom, followed by economic collapse. It didn’t need to be that way. If the free marketeers had listened to the moral concerns of wise people, instead of just listening to their own dogma, the collapse would not have happened.
Similarly, there is no shadow of a doubt that the tyrants have to be fought and killed. However it is not necessary and not advisable for the Muslim leaders not to listen to the intelligent concerns of wise and practising Muslims as they embark on this collaboration with the neo-cons to want to open the global market highway under an Islamic peace.
The way/sunnah of Islam is not by lying and cheating. It is by consultation and prayer. The roadmap of the disbelievers is always to build division into their franchisees future. Those divisions then get blamed on the non-Muslims when in fact it is the recklessness of the Muslim leaders to embrace change at all costs that has always brought about the reality of the divisions which later cause so much pain.
The problem is not in the non-Muslims secretly arming Assad. The problem is that , as in Iraq they divided the Muslims by false-flag bombings so that they could only fight amongst themselves. Muslim leaders who continue to feed division will be doing exactly the same. It’s so sweet to be in the in-group, with the right hairstyles and trouserlengths, the right metaphysical rulebook and the right socially perceived accreditations of moral discipline.
If the Muslim leaders ignore basic rule No 1 , to remain united, they are to likely fail in Syria as they failed in Iraq. They will win the battle undoubtedly. But the poison of division will remain.
Nevermind your updates are much appreciated.
Very best of luck for this election!
Good news!!!!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/30/295739/exposing-mossads-rotten-terror-corps/
Nevermind
‘The citizens of Melos in ancient Greece, before being slaughtered by the Athenians were told
“You know as well as we do that right is only in question between equals in power, for the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”’
After listening to the gruelling programme on Radio 4 this afternoon about child groomer/rapists in Rochdale, this would be a good motto for the Greater Manchester Police and Crown Prosecution Service.
There is no doubt in my own mind that sexual abuse was used by British colonials everywhere as a weapon of subjugation, just as it is still being used in Afghanistan by US colonials. And what goes around, comes around.
It occurs to me that the establishment in this case has sought to play down the crimes in Rochdale purely so that the question of British and US oppression does not raise its ugly head. War criminals Hague and Cameron would look rather silly commenting on rape as a weapon of war, and appealing to the Geneva Convention, if they shared newspaper headlines with stories of UK and US doing the same on a daily basis.
Blair and Bush cancelled the rights of suspected opponents under the Geneva Convention in relation to torture, so what kind of meally-mouthed pompous trash is this whaffle from Whague about rape? We’re big and you’re small, and we’re right and you’re wrong. Roll on the day when the only green colour in the Houses of Parliament is the green grass of the ruined Abbeys of the shires of England dismantled by Henry VIII and the roofless pillars of the Acropolis.
Thanks Crab, I have been collating past letters and articles all afternoon for a website I’m struggling with. I also have to find some dosh for a leaflet.
thanks for that little extra Easter nugget, Arsalan, we did expect it to be one hell of a large overblown and expensive body of nationalistic mercenaries.
My thanks to annonymous for exposing them, next target is…..?
Arsalan and Courtenay Bennett
Iran is an enemy of Israel, as exposed by an ex-member of the UK armed forces.
I believed the bit about aliens more than I believed this.
Press TV doth protest too much. USUKIS must be xxxxing Briiics.
Assalamu ‘alaykum to you Arsalan and your family.
Hi Arsalan,
Quite serious News, hazy as to its full meaning.
This mainstream writeup appears somewhat detailed, if unappreciative:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2013/03/24/did-anonymous-hack-israels-mossad-spy-agency/
The main channels of anonymous do not seem to be claiming this action as their own. Turkish Hack Group “Redhack” associated it with #anonymous. Anonymous philoses to not exist as a group or collection of groups. Sometimes messages and actions coalesce under the banner of “anonymous” on prominent channels, this action seems to be attached to the anon concept mainly by reporting channels, which is different.
Anonymous seems to be a concept which is shared by diverse hacker culture and is sometimes widely adopted for causes. This particular action – a particularly dangerous one to be identified with no doubt, is perhaps tentatively associated.
Even as the claims of the operation will provoke much disbelief, they will provoke thought about the truth.
Regarding the google news on the new MI5 head, i dont consider it much as i dont believe such an agency would publicly release anything but irrelevant and misleading info.
Hobnobchoc
Leave some for tomorrow. As my previous mum in law used to say to the dog licking itself.
Adding insult to injury; Barrett Browns mother has had to plead guilty to hiding her son’s laptop from FBI.
She faces $100k fine and up to a year in jail.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/132408951/Karen-McCutchin-Plea-Agreement
@ All,
What is to be made of these “facts” – or – “fictions” – whichever – reason and comment:-
Horror in Israel: 30,000 Mossad spies exposed
Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:27PM
By Gordon DuffShare | Email | Print
After all, who is better to carry out acts of terrorism than an organization with 30,000 covert operatives around the world, almost all trained in use of explosives and demolition, building IEDs, car bombs, kidnapping and assassination and with a long and very public history of, not just murdering people but getting away with it as well.”
Last week, the hacker organization “Anonymous,” symbolized by the famous “Guy Fawkes” mask, hacked Israel’s Mossad.
The hack, initially exposing a hidden network of 30,000 covert operatives, some openly labeled “hitman,” came only days after Israel admitted to their 2010 act of piracy and terrorism against the Freedom Flotilla.
Now the Israeli regime has filled the internet with threats against “Anonymous,” if detailed information on their terror cells is leaked.
After all, who is better to carry out acts of terrorism than an organization with 30,000 covert operatives around the world, almost all trained in use of explosives and demolition, building IEDs, car bombs, kidnapping and assassination and with a long and very public history of, not just murdering people but getting away with it as well.
Every day we see it in the news, dozens killed in Pakistan, dozens more in Iraq, Kenya, Nigeria, the covert army of 30,000, planning terror, building a dozen car bombs a day and then being able to, not just write the lies blaming others but, in most cases, direct public officials, controlled through blackmail, threats or bribery, to “respond as directed.”
Did I forget Syria?
The army, more correctly the “cells” exposed by Anonymous include:
1. Direct Action: Assassins, explosives experts (for the Mossad “signature” car bombs) and kidnap/rendition teams
2. Espionage: Made up of trained agent handlers and signals intelligence personnel, often specially trained while posing as doing their “national service,” this group runs the Pentagon and White House, makes up Congressional employees, most think tanks, AIPAC and the ADL/SPLC. Key espionage operatives are seldom Israeli. Many are Turkish, Saudi, Jordanian and even Cuban diplomats.
3. Controlled opposition: Most obvious are the White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi groups recently exposed as being funded through Merkel’s government in Germany at the direction of the Likudist Party in Israel. Nearly every individual or organization, with few exceptions, that describes itself as “holocaust denial,” “anti-Zionist” or “historical revisionist” is now funded and directed through Israel.
4. Thought Control: No textbook, no university chair, no broadcast executive nor any news editor is ever employed unless a member of the “30,000.” All belong, all are, not just “answerable,” but actively involved in creating cover stories to shift blame for mass killings, political assassination, economic crimes or simply to put forth a continual “drumming,” of the big lie.
Birth by Murder
The first major act of terrorism by Israel’s Irgun, the predecessor to the Mossad, was in 1949. America’s first Secretary of Defense, an office Chuck Hagel only recently assumed, a man under 24-hour protection against Mossad assassins even today, was James Forrestal.
Forrestal was an enemy of Stalin and his inner circle of Zionists who, with the influence of Secretary of Treasury Henry Morgenthau, took control of President Truman, pushing him to back the occupation of Palestine by Communists, establishing a Soviet foothold in the Middle East under the guise of a “Jewish state.”
Under the guidance of Morgenthau, one million German POWs were starved to death, Germany was de-industrialized and Stalin was allowed to move into Eastern Europe and gain de facto control of France, Italy, establish broad terror and espionage cells that spread across the world, particularly in Washington.
When the now reviled Senator Joseph McCarthy claimed the State Department was filled with communists, he was totally correct.
Bernard Baruch told Forrestal that Zionists were going to kill him. The Irgun had tried to kill British Foreign Secretary Brevin in 1946.
Forrestal, though Secretary of Defense, was continually attacked by the media, Walter Winchell and Drew Pearson, the most influential columnists of the day, wrote scathing attacks against Forrestal continually.
Assassination teams following Forrestal were arrested more than once but released on orders from President Truman who, in March of 1949, finally fired Forrestal over his opposition to Israel’s ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.
Soon afterward, Forrestal was poisoned and taken to Bethesda Naval Hospital. While there, he was thrown out of a 16th story window, his body showing signs of a desperate struggle, the room in disarray.
Walter Winchell, an accused Stalinist agent, called Forrestal’s death a “suicide,” a verdict certified later despite evidence to the contrary. The control of the press, likely 10,000 of the identities Anonymous accessed, seen today was “alive and well” many decades ago.
As, decades later, the public became aware that the killings of Forrestal, the Kennedy’s, Martin Luther King, even prominent American Jews like Senator Paul Wellstone and his family were Mossad operations.
The Hollywoodism “spin” on the Forrestal assassination is the classic. We are told that Secretary of Defense Forrestal killed himself because his brain had been taken over by one of the aliens that crash-landed at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.
Jeremy Kagen, producer of the 1981 film, “The Chosen,” depicting New York’s Hasidic community, is responsible for the 1994 film, “Roswell,” which implies Forrestal was murdered by aliens.
We have seen it for over 60 years, if the trail leads to Tel Aviv, it must have been “little green men.”
Is the Story Dead?
As soon as the story hit, press assets, both “blogosphere shills” and the MSM passed on the word, “Mossad assassination teams know where to find ‘Anonymous’ and are ready to kill family members, pets, blow up neighborhoods or even shoot up another elementary school.”
Those passing on the threats are guilty as co-conspirators, covering for espionage and terror groups, using terrorism to protect terrorists.
Thus far, we have only seen the email accounts, a horror in itself, revealing what may only be the “tip of the iceberg.”
What if only 5,000 of the 30,000 are “agent handlers?” Does this mean there are tens of thousands of additional “deep cover agents” armed with dirty bombs or ready to kill public officials if, let’s say, there is a threat to cut aid to Israel?
Wait, isn’t this exactly what brought on 9/11?
GD/HSN/SL Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic representative for UN humanitarian and economic development efforts. Gordon Duff has traveled to over 80 nations. His articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest. More Press TV articles by Gordon Duff
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