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  • nevermind

    I do love a bit of recycling there’s just not enough of it.
    So that whole global warming debate was really a lark and all those methane bubbles must have been champagne.

    What a relief, I don’t have to worry about incineration then, indeed I shall take it upon myself to burn my rubbish in the back garden, maybe gather the kids round for a few hot roasted tatties.

    Its not only what they do or don’t do, but what we all do or don’t do. If it is getting colder in this country, hopefully another mini ice age as specialists quoted predict, we don’t have to worry about rising sea levels, its not really happening is it?

    Here I am promoting a wash barrier and lock system from skeggy to Hunstanton to save us the expenditure on two nuclear power stations and I’m wasting my time, nothing to worry about or see here, move on, it will never happen and the precautionary principle, I mean look at Holland today, is just too daft to be a worthy sustainable method of preparing for and ameliorating impact, isn’t it?

    Further, such a relief to wake up having wasted 34 years in a party that is based on hocus pocus. I will sleep much better tonight and tomorrow many will wake up to a new leaner reality, no global warming, no need for extra bedrooms, instead lets have some serious tax relief for our hard pressed millionaires, poor sods are so hard up.

  • Herbie

    Habbakuk

    On the matter of silver’s performance relative to gold:

    It’s obvious you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. That’s not unusual for you of course.

    People can look at this chart going back to the 1970s, and in the top left hand corner toggle between gold and silver performance and see quite clearly that silver’s performance is every bit as considerable as that of gold, and funnily enough an even better performer than gold over that period in sterling terms.

    http://goldprice.org/

    However, as I’ve said, that’s not the point. The issue is whether or not silver is a better hedge against the debasement of western currencies. And since they haven’t been totally debased yet, we don’t know for sure.

    But if anyone is going to make a good guess then it will be someone like Max Keiser, who really does know about these things, despite your rather ignorant efforts to pretend otherwise.

    Perhaps you should stick to languages, eh, for as Dougie suggested, you’re making a total tit of yourself on this.

  • A Node

    Crab:

    “You are just throwing amature doubts at professional work, something which you have effectively no comprehension of, and will never be inclined to study properly especially as that would mean understanding the arrogance of dismissing the urgent message of thousands of professionals working on this directly for years, and probably millions of technically capable people who have reviewed their work and message and support it as scientific. “

    So you’re saying I should just take the professionals’ word for it and make no attempt to understand it myself? Hmmm, OK let me think that through …. there are professionals on both sides of the debate, how do I know which ones to believe if I don’t understand the science …. and I’m not allowed to say “I don’t know” ….. yes that’s a tricky one, unless I just trust all the ones you tell me to …. hmmmmm, I don’t know about that – damn, there I go with that “don’t know” again. No , it’s no use, you’re just going to have to explain it to me yourself. What is this 100% certain method of predicting the outcome of a chaotic system with seven variables?

    ….and am I a climate denier?

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    A node; Are you familiar with Geoengineering?

    The ‘hedge’ I referred to was not an opinion directed at the top 1% who must keep wealth above the fray with vaults of bullion.

    It’s the future buying power of paper(cash and securities) which could mean you need a wheelbarrow full for a loaf of bread.

    Try getting change for your gold brick. Smaller silver coins make for easier trading. Even a single gold coin might create some bartering issues.

  • crab

    Node, You are just setting an impossible standard by the bounds of your combined ignorance and arrogance.

    “Teach me this whole majority scientific movement know more than my open minded notions. No de facto world government! Sheeple!”

    Few climate scientists say we are certainly going to experience 2.5 to 5 degrees centigrade temperature rise this century if we dont curb CO2 output. Because in truth we do not know what will happen.

    But we do say with much certainty that all things running as well as we understand them will push temperature up to 2.5 to 5 C this century. That is very well calculated by numerous different methods.

    That is an amount of “forcing” which has no parallel, in the light of intense curiousity and study, it is a change in planetary heat dynamics unknown and unprecidented in natural history.

    It is a securely calculated, physically undeniable forcing, of planetary scale into a planetary system. Chaos is to some degree involved in the planets dynamics but it is not primarily a chaotic system. Things do not happen on planetary scale without huge cause and effect.

    As well as the system is understood, the possible huge causes are not widely expected to run away, or flip into iceball from 2.5-5c this century, but it’s not impossible and is by its extremety and under represented possibility due to communication problems, like the one we are having.

    What is impossible is for the forcing to just dissappear or be a mistake or be a political lie. It is something which will in all likelyhood cause super-massive disruption to life all over the world.

  • nevermind

    Germany 1928, Hyperinflation. This chap is just going to the local shop to get some buns.

    ‘It’s the future buying power of paper(cash and securities) which could mean you need a wheelbarrow full for a loaf of bread.’

    I think this is what Ben is referring to.
    http://goldcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/DM-wheelbarrow.jpg

    Once such inflation kicks in, it is bartering that will take over. Bartering is not dead btw. In Greece and Spain, both in deep economic dodoo, people are keeping themselves afloat and fed by this method.

    Max kaiser has more nous of finances than many I know, but habbakuck knows it all, hence he’s scrapping his nibs off at ground level over this issue.
    Silver standard was the preferred collateral before 1930, but after the war it was finished, it lost its value and was replaced with the gold standard, now also out of favour, as the banksters of this world persuaded Governments to part with it.
    But it will come back and the gold dinar is not far off now. Watch the BRIIC countries move and the colonials fretting, bawling and complaining about loosing their grip.

  • crab

    The problem with nearly all geo-engineering possibilities is they complicate the uncertainty of planetary responses to the undeniably acute industrial alteration of the atmosphere.
    If the possibility of an unexpected response is what worries (or comforts?!) you most, geo-engineering is the kind of patch up job that can break the system in another way.
    I think geo-engineering should only be resorted to as a last ditch response. The best thing to do is use readily available technology to reduce co2 output and other pollution and study and take care of natural systems. But the deniers say that idea is a commercial scam! Argggggh!

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Geoengineering is like Jurassic Park or, if non-fiction is your pleasure, the Manhattan Project.

    Oppy knew he was tickling the tail of the Dragon, and there was much theory that was unproven until the test, including the possibility of setting the atmosphere on fire. That didn’t happen, as we know, but it highlights the point that we rarely know exactly what will occur when we screw with Mother Nature.

  • crab

    I hopefuly expect that if significant cloud seeding or chemtrailing were going on already, then uninvolved atmospherics physicists would have detected it and published on it already.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Mark @ 5:34

    I hope the transmutation of humankind is not preceded by a mass thinning of the herd.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    Crab; “A new paper from the Global Catastrophic Risk Institute looks at the long term demands of SAI engineering. Everything’s fine as long as you keep injecting particles. But the moment you stop, the particles start to settle back to earth and the planet would see drastic warming—much faster than on the gradual path we’re on”

    That’s what we’ve doing doing on almost every front; Medicine, economics et al. Treat the symptom; don’t worry about the cause.

  • crab

    Exactly Fred, pumping antibiotics into larger herds. Genetically engineering plants which can live with more pesticides. Breeding wobbly legged cows which produce more milk.

    Union of concerned scientists:

    What began as a collaboration between students and faculty members at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1969 is now an alliance of more than 400,000 citizens and scientists. UCS members are people from all walks of life: parents and businesspeople, biologists and physicists, teachers and students. Our members understand that scientific analysis—not political calculations or corporate hype—should guide our efforts to secure responsible changes in government policy, corporate practices, and consumer choices.

    Our experts work on some of the most complex and daunting problems in our history: stemming the tide of global warming, finding sustainable ways to feed, power and transport ourselves, and reducing the threat of catastrophic war. Our achievements over the decades show that thoughtful action based on the best available science can help safeguard our future and the future of our planet.

    What We Do Know About Climate Change

  • A Node

    Ben,

    I think geo-engineering would be the worst path to take. It frightens me, really, that people might actually implement some of these ideas. And it baffles me how anyone who believes that humans are the cause of global warming could contemplate compounding the errors by deliberate wholesale manipulation of the essential biosystems of our planet.

    Radical change in our lifestyles is the only way to go. Unfortunately, that’s easier said than done. We are in this mess by design. We are not, for example, dependent on fossil fuels by accident – about a century ago some powerful men decided to make us so and bought up, killed off and and legislated out of existence any alternatives. We do not need high levels of consumerism, we have had them forced upon us, conditioned with game shows and corralled by society’s rules, because in order to control the world with money, people must never have enough of it.

    The solutions are obvious – stop doing the damage. The implementation is the tricky bit. Make me emperor of the world for a generation and I’ll sort it. Go on, I think I’ve already got Crab’s vote.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    A Node; I’ve often wondered why no one recruited me as Benevolent Dicktator.

    Seriously though, if you had the power, where would you begin?

  • crab

    Always a contrarian myself, i dont think it is on the individual to lead with radical lifestyle change. I think that is a disingenuously spun idea to make the subject unpopular.
    When radical lifestyle change is universal, it is acceptable, adaptable, sociable. When it is individual it begins as isolating and debilitating, once a bit more popular it just a burden carried by minority of people trying to take responsibility for the hedonistic whole.

    So I dont encourage the idea of stretching into this problem alone. I think people need to get together somehow and agree how to force everyone and most importantly industry to stop environmental and human damage and waste through oil economics and war and greed.

    ot
    Union of Concerned Scientists view of the IPCC which is so often regarded as a eco-quango:

    The task of the Intergovernmental Panel is to assess the scientific and technical information about climate change in a comprehensive, transparent, and objective manner. The reports of the Panel are made possible through the cooperation of the scientific community around the world. Hundreds of scientific and technical experts were involved in preparing the Panel’s 2001 report, and literally thousands more were engaged to provide objective peer review. The participants were drawn from academia, from private and national research laboratories, from industry and from non-governmental organizations. The Panel makes a concerted effort to include the broadest possible range of valid scientific opinion. Indeed, the credibility of the Panel in the eyes of both governments and the scientific community rests on its commitment to providing the most up-to-date, balanced scientific information that truly reflects the state of human understanding of climate change science.

    Still, the IPCC has often been accused of being an implacable monolith and of having imposed a dogma of contrived consensus for politically motivated reasons. Some scientists, even within the climate community, have expressed reservations regarding the “consensus science” produced by the Panel. Though the Panel has no apparatus to refute these claims, one may address these concerns by considering the process by which the reports are produced.

    The Panel has no permanent bureaucracy except a small Secretariat, which is responsible for logistical coordination. The Panel relies entirely on the support of the scientific and technical communities to produce its reports. Peer review is an essential component of the assessment process. To ensure integrity, participation was considerably expanded for the 2001 Third Assessment to over 2,500 scientists representing more than 100 countries, up from 200 scientists representing 40 countries for the first report in 1990. Among those contributing and reviewing the Third Assessment Report were scientists who generally dissent from the evidence of global climate change.

    The conclusions of the report stem from the analysis of over 20,000 articles from the relevant literature. The scientists try to reconcile competing views through workshops and peer review if possible. When they cannot reach consensus, the scientists characterize the disagreements and identify the issues that need clarification through additional research. Thus, the Third Assessment Report should be seen for what it is: a massive, policy-relevant but not policy-prescriptive review of the current state of understanding of climate change science. As the new scientific benchmark, it serves as the basis for international climate negotiations.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    A related piece from your link, Crab;

    “IPCC Working Group II — which addresses the impacts of climate change, as well as vulnerability and adaptation issues — found in its 2001 report that “adaptation has the potential to reduce adverse impacts of climate change and enhance beneficial impacts, but will incur costs and will not prevent all damages.” In particular, “those with the least resources have the least capacity to adapt and are the most vulnerable.”

    In fact, Working Group II co-chair, Dr. James McCarthy (Harvard University), concluded,

    “most of the earth’s people will be on the losing side.”

    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/projections-of-climate-change.html

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Herbie :

    Gold has done better than silver over any time period you care to look at (variably better according to which currency you’re working).

    But as you say, that’s not the point. How about this for a point : presumably Genius Max Keiser took his own advice and got out of paper money in order to buy lots of silver (since he first banged on about silver a long time ago)? So he must be an extremely wealthy man right now (but less wealthy than if he’d bought gold, of course)?

    He didn’t?? He isn’t??

    Perhaps he just prostitutes himself for Russia Today as a hobby rather than to earn a crust.

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    @ Nevermind re German hyperinflation : get your dates right, please. Inflation, never mind hyperinflation, was over in Germany well before 1928, the date you gave. Don’t they teach modern history in German schools?

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    La vita è bella, life is good!)

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Not “where’s Werrity” but “where’s Mary?”.

    This blog is simply not the same without her, is it.

    Do you realise I had to find my own news and info for the last few days? Terrible!

    (Enter The Scourge, stage left)

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    La vita è bella, life is good!

  • crab

    “most of the earth’s people will be on the losing side.”
    The science deniers are not worried about their chances anyway.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    “The science deniers are not worried about their chances anyway.”

    There was a book back in the 70’s called The politics of Energy, by Barry Commoner. His plan was to begin now (1975) weaning ourselves off Oil and Nukes, only using them as a transition to Green. Of course he was laughed off the dying Planet for proposing such preposterous ideas. Oil was going to last forever. Too bad we didn’t just give EXXON an BP the patent on sunshine. We’d be paying for it dearly in terms of financial cost, but that would have been a preferable option to our global costs.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    The engine of commerce must not be denied.

    “Two recent developments within corporate Canada help explain Stephan Harper’s more imperialistic foreign policy.

    Canada’s growing ‘petro state’ has driven a more extreme, anti-internationalist, foreign policy. With tar sands production growing from 600 000 barrels per day in 2000 to 1 600 000 today this basically guarantees that Canada will oppose or flout international agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Environment minister Peter Kent made this point forcefully in March when he described the Kyoto Protocol as “probably the biggest foreign policy mistake the previous Liberal government made.” The politicians most committed to tar sands expansion have an incentive to build hostility towards international accords and the UN.”

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/04/canada-resource-profits-are-us/#more-48279

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    dominating the thread, again. sheesh.

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