In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.
Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.
George Galloway. Thatcher Dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbFWivsfFE&feature=player_embedded#!
It was posted today and already there are 250 comments.
It’s been a nice quiet day without any aggravation or distraction from the Resident Interrogator and then he/she/it goes and ruins it.
‘Night all.
Mary and others. I thoroughly recommend the Yip Harburg tribute. I’d like someone to ask the BBC to watch it and ask them again if they are comfortable banning his lyrics.
Habba http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/25/a_tribute_to_yip_harburg_the
Watch and learn
“I am surprised that certain people here seem to be shocked by a silly joke but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”
The ‘joke’ was not ‘silly’ — it was plain disgusting! Not a good idea to share with others the dirt of your imagination. Please don’t assume others’ imagery is necessarily aligned to yours.
Further re: “not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”
How do you know? Don’t be pretentious. You and Mary do not have a monopoly on the narrative for condemnations. But, please feel free to carry on, regardless.
More: “I doubt if any of you have even seen a dead body let alone that of a tortured and mutilated child or that of a woman murdered and raped by the military while she was “still warm”
How do you know? Stick to the facts.
“You are a pusillanimous bunch with big mouths that hide behind anonymity.”
Sounds like you didn’t like what you saw when a mirror was held up to you. If you (and Mary) can’t take the slightest criticism, perhaps you have stopped growing? And maybe all these compulsive posts are just another form of escape?
Just pointing out.
http://www.yipharburg.com/foundation.html
Not suitable for broadcast in post Thatcher Britain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22126940
Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.
“I do apologise I didn’t realise that adult humour is frowned upon on this blog” — Scorgie
That’s what you call ‘adult humour’? It wasn’t. It was the kind of thing 12-year-old boys might snigger over in the toilet block at lunchtime. Nothing adult about it. Nothing humourous about it either.
“but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends”
I’ve condemned plenty, Scorgie. Possibly before your time here. I don’t post as much these days.
Anyway, politicians are always “condemning” this and that. And when does it ever mean anything? Words are easy. Actions speak louder.
“Look at the pictures that are available on the internet of the dead and the tortured; particularly children, that have been (and continue to be) killed and abused; by our so-called “freedom and democracy leaders” like Thatcher.”
I have done, and I always do. When I see these “warnings” i.e. “some people may find the images/video below distressing” I ALWAYS look at them. I feel obliged to. When things are done in my name — or at least in the name of people in countries that my country seems to consider “great friends” of ours — I think the least we can do is look at the results of the carnage that’s wrought by them.
As Villager said, you and Mary do not have a monopoly on condemnations – or on sympathy for the victims of violence. Take your puerile self-righteousness (and your puerile “jokes”) and stuff them.
Villager – We see how bees invite, discover and then arrive, all from the energy diffused by a pollinating plant. That energy is of course the ‘power of intention’ and bees as a community acting together have a strong association and connection to that force.
Thatcher incidentally cultivated a breed of humans divided in themselves as well as each other; a conflicting conundrum of selfish monetary greed and emotional frustration. These Thatcherism Schizophrenic minds cannot recognize association as they compete with each other in an aggressive, combative rivalry that can even extend out globally from within and cause world conflict as of now.
A conscious mind and a conscience can only live in one place and if it does then the power of intention is it’s energy and stimulus.
With that connection it is then easy man, so easy to reconnect with each other and evolve.
The fragile spark called ‘life’ is firmly in our hands – go demonstrate.
THATCHER – A BRITISH FAR-RIGHT US EMPIRE QUISLING ?
Those born in the fifties grew up with Britain in the sixties ruled by Conservatives with a sense of noblesse oblige or Labour who gave the UK the National Health Service and a welfare state which included free university education.
NHS
– Michael Moore interviews Tony Benn on the creation of the NHS –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LnY-jy_cE0
Ken Loach interview on The Spirit of ’45 –
– “My favourite bit of the archive that we found was seeing Winston Churchill heckled. That was great for us because the biggest war Churchill fought was against the working class of his own country and people forget that. They’re dazzled by the six years of the war time but his legacy as a politician was as a class warrior – against the people – the working class – of his own country.” – Who knew?! – @ 1:00 –
– Berliner Festspiele 2013 – Youtube –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViP4E2YwPrU
Churchill heckled – @ 1.47
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsad8alF-_c#t=01m15s
Ken Loach on ‘The Spirit of ’45’ – a masterwork –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcCglKPF5PQ
THE UK – A US EMPIRE SLAVE RACE – WHO KNEW !?
Which was followed by a UK far right coup against Prime Minister Edward Heath by the Right Honorable MP for Finchley. One Margaret Hilda Thatcher.
At the behest of the US Empire? Who benefited? (ER, The US Empire? Ed.)
Then came the 1976 Sterling Crisis with Labour and James Callaghan as Prime Minister. The US insisted on UK domestic austerity measures.
Who benefited? Again!!! (ER, The US Empire. No change there, then! Ed.)
The UK was now a vassal state of the US Empire, under their control via the IMF, with a rabid right-winger about to seize power and destroy Britain’s industrial base.
Who would benefit? Well it certainly wasn’t the British people.
THATCHER – A BRITISH FAR-RIGHT US EMPIRE QUISLING ? – 2
US IMPERIALISM
Who would benefit? Well it certainly wasn’t the British people.
(ER, the US Empire, perchance??? And a UK sell-out elite, as described by Johan Galtung in his papers on Imperialism. Ed.)
Europe – the ECB – Neo-Conmen, neo-liberal tools, of the EU Elite in cahoots with the US Elite. Perfectly according with Johan Galtung’s theory of Imperialism that handily explains colonialism, US neo-colonialism of the 1950s and 1960s and today’s neo-neo-colonialism of the US Empire???
‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism,’ _and_ how to combat it! ; ) – Johan Galtung, 1971 – revered father of peace studies –
– http://bev.berkeley.edu/ipe/readings/Galtung.pdf
Plus ‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism – Ten Years Later – 1981. _More_ on how to combat Empires. Strangely enough the pdf is unreadable – the Empire has willing hands everywhere? – Printing it helps a very little!
– http://tinyurl.com/7tjw93r
George Galloway explains that 35% of British manufacturing was destroyed during Thatcher’s time. And that Casino capitalism went from 3% to 40% of the British economy. Until 2008. Afterwhich blood is still being pumped into the corpse. To this day. But The City is still a corpse and God help the non-Tory non-US Empire UK apparatchiks.
– ‘Goodnight with George Galloway – The Thatcher episode, Explosive!’ – ‘Molucca Red’ Youtube –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbFWivsfFE
And so – Maggie’s Desert Island Discs pick? – Comic Relief Special –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_0cayp5s0#t=00m37s
Mark
It’s a good thing you are working on re-inventing Islam because our William Hague and David Cameron -supported guys in Syria are working on it too. You may have noticed a few weeks ago pictures of Sunni Muslims shot in the head and dumped in a river in Aleppo. Their crime: going to work in a government controlled zone.
Pure Al-CIAda psycho-political control-freak mercenary-monstery, echoing the worst of US interference in South America during the Thatcher years. Forget about Al CIAda, what about Al Camera, the British plot to replace Russia’s Assad with a Mursi-style, Muslim Brotherhood, US stooge.
Thatcher may have pre-dated the war on Terror, but psycho-political control-freak mercenary-monstery, was definitely her forte in other lands. I have at last worked out why so many Muslims campaign for New Labour. Because they know the damage that an alliance of Thatcherism and Islamic Fascism can cause.
I don’t like people calling Thatcher a witch because that is a term I associate uniquely in politics with Hilary Cabbal Clinton. Bitch will do. Let’s hope even if she wasn’t for turning in this life that she spins her evil vortex into the molten lava of the earth like Rumplestiltskin, taking her droves of Hasbara trolls and Zio-banksters back to the fire from which they first evolved.
Capriles Radonski is calling ‘Foul’. Sounds like he knows he will be defeated.
Good luck to Maduro today.
Venezuela opposition says government broke election law
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22140143#
These types can do as they wish just as long as there not another penny of public money spent.
‘Thatcher memorial library plans unveiled
Supporters of Baroness Thatcher are planning to create a museum, library and educational centre as a permanent memorial to the former prime minister.
Backers aim to raise £15m in private funds to set up the site in London.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22141238
The main article refers to the funeral and uses the word ‘programme’ instead of ‘order of service’. As we thought, it is a theatrical event.
‘Well-known hymns and poems will mark next Wednesday’s funeral of Baroness Thatcher, Downing Street says.
Details of the ceremony have been published, including the hymns To Be A Pilgrim, I Vow to Thee My Country and Love Divine, All Loves Excelling.
The programme features lines from Wordsworth’s Intimations of Immortality and TS Eliot’s Little Gidding.’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22077919
Scorgie
Apology not accepted – I did oppose Margaret Thatcher on many occaisions while she was alive – it is just that I believe that it is extremely bad taste to attack those who are dead but not buried. All your childish behaviour does is actually support the argument of the Thatcherites that their opponents cannot outline a coherent alternative to what they believe and allows them to claim the moral high ground – in other words you are nothing but a useful idiot for their cause.
For all those who have just discovered the work of Yip Harburg and the Wizard of Oz – might I suggest that his use of allegory points to rather more subtle, tasteful and persuasive way of making a point than is within their current intellectual grasp. I see little evidence that he felt that the only way he could make his point was by behaving in a morally repugnant manner – please don’t try and justify your own behaviour by grasping at the coatsleeves of a throughly decent man.
Doug’s Corgie is quite the hypocrite. And a shrill one at that.
Lesson #1 – Do not disagree with Mary
On the previous thread, Mary did her usual thing of painting governments, cultures and people in colonised lands as wholly evil occupiers who perpetually steal from and oppress their indigenous inhabitants. It’s a black and white issue for her, no shades of grey. She tried to characterise my country, Australia, as one of the worst examples. I dared to disagree .. and then it began.
Lesson #2 – Speak no evil
In my reply, I described some positive things about government efforts for indigenous progress and provided links to aboriginal problems of their own making to demonstrate that these issues have shades of grey – that the government and non-aboriginal people are not responsible for every problem despite Mary’s wish to have you believe otherwise. How utterly audacious of me for daring to share the story of violence, rape and abuse against women and children in aboriginal communities. These problems must never be discussed because they give people the wrong idea.
Lesson #3 – Do not open your door to strangers at night
Dougie then knocked on my door with an ironic Gestapo-like authority to question me about my statements, suspecting that they contained overt apologies for racism and support for white supremacy – hence his accusation that I am a racist, white supremacist (despite anecdotal evidence to the contrary). On my doorstep, he charged, tried and convicted me of being an enemy of the blog. The sentence? I am to walk around this blog’s neighbourhood wearing a sandwich board on which he wrote a concise summary of my true feelings (see below).
Lesson #4 – Silence is golden
Did either Mary or Doug Scorgie condemn the violent crimes against aboriginal women and children?
Nope!
Did they express sympathy for the victims?
Nope!
Are Doug and Mary incredulous? Embarrassed? Or just plain hypocritical?
. . . .
This is my punishment –
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/4217959795_565b91e279_o.jpg
Mary,
would a generous dose of teargas be released at the event as a part of the thatcherite “programme? The weeping crowds could provide a lush pasture for the BBc cows and their viewers. If gone wrong one can always put the blame on the satanic Bashar Assad.
nothing better than a good bitch fight over this conniving woman and her ilk eh, keep it going peeps, nothing more interesting going on, so lets have a go at each other… over what? some morbid extravaganza her kind of ilk and friends would have paid to see, especially JS. BORING.
“Supporters of Baroness Thatcher are planning to create a museum, library and educational centre as a permanent memorial to the former prime minister.
Backers aim to raise £15m in private funds to set up the site in London.”
And not a penny of that money taxed looking at those who will ensure a sanitised environment, a polished history were the like’s of Saville and other paedophiles in her Government were never in existence and the Belgrano was steaming towards the Falklands.
The building will become a magnet for graffiti artists and political raconteurs and I will ensure that my grandson never sets foot in it whilst I’m alive.
It will be the Bethnal Green museum of childhood, any time.
One village done, 4600 to go.
The trolls (and some others here) seem to have fallen for the snide and divisive trick of the Reaident Interrogator to link Doug Scorgie to me as ‘Son of Mary’. How ridiculous and how nasty like all his other epithets.
I did not comment on Doug Scorgie’s joke. He apologised to those who expressed that they had been offended which should have been the end of the matter for goodness’ sake.
I said to him that I feel and share his anger which some here seem to imply is contrived. I don’t think it is. I use this metaphor about pond skaters, little creatures that live on the surface of water suspended by the surface tension and either fearing to look down into the depths, or knowing what might be there, yet denying it. Simolar to those here who are self obsessed, complacent, and lacking in moral courage and unable to feel the terrible pain of the other, especially if they are far away and brown. Think on.
Dreoilin and Villager. Put the boot in why don’t you and kick my other shin. You have fallen into the trap set by the most active of the site’s trolls and the others have thus been provided with ‘nourishment’.
I am as free to comment here as much as you Dreoilin and as I have said frequently, we are ALL here as Craig’s guests. I hope your back pain is being relieved.
The indignation being expressed about Doug Scorgie’s post has been noticeable. I don’t think that any views were expressed on the RI speaking about someone ‘being at my teat’ or similar which I found personally very offensive and we have also had mention of ‘vagina’ in other totally inappropriate remarks.
I’m out of this increasingly unpleasant place until Craig posts again. Good hunting. I have a lot of gardening to catch up on.
And a PS about the RI’s post at the top of this page. I never introduced the fact that Capriles had holocaust survivors as relatives. He did of course.
Pro-Thatcher FB group #fail
https://mobile.twitter.com/KarmaUnc/status/323219708222517248/photo/1
Mrs Thatcher understood that there is no divine law that says that people have to come and buy stuff in your shop. You have to fight.
In essence that is the moral question: do you fight fair or foul? The village shopkeeper mentality of UK politics since then has been: foul. Nobody cares if your product is good or not, or your cause is good or not. Only raw power counts.
The war in Syria is a war of the neo-cons for a new world order against us the people. UKUSIS + Russia, China Europe etc need, like the village mind to enforce the pecking order and tell us who’s boss. Assad, Netantayhu, Cameron, Obama and political Islam are all on the same side, the political side, and we the people are being informed the hard way that they are boss.
Thatcher as a lady is being buried. Because of this the enforcers are having a bit of a party. Because of this the members of that group are going to be told where to get off.
As much as they use the funeral to boast their power, they will be dragged through the list of their war crimes of how they took that power. They are accountable for their crimes and however much power they grabbed from us, it is nothing compared to the power of Allah to punish them for their crimes.
Laws affect lives. Laws enable vast industries to secure business that complies with the laws, and deprives others of work which those laws remove from the scope of their compliance.
Same with marriage laws. In 1977 the UK government removed blame from the legislation on Divorce, because it was costing too much for the courts to evaluate blame. That legislation removed any legal discouragement from breaking marriage vows and divorce.
This cannot be blamed on Thatcher same as the problems of UK industry can’t be blamed on Thatcher. But the way in which she dealt with the consequences of the pre-existing legislation was totally unnecessarily severe. The purpose of the legislation was to avoid the publicity and cost of divorce. But she interpreted the legislation to mean that the laws of marriage had been repealed. Contracts that could only be engaged in by the church or government registrars were now scrapped as if they had been repealed along with the ‘blame’ legislation.
This is an example of how Mrs Thatcher bullied the nation, by using government powers way beyond the intended purpose for which they had been granted. That is, curiously enough the topic of this thread, which Craig has put his finger on in relation to police mentality on protest at Mrs Thatcher’s funeral.
It is precisely because Mrs Thatcher used this foot-in-the-door bullying tactic to twist legislation to purposes way beyond their original intention, that so much protest is going to be released at this funeral. Not AT the funeral, which would be distasteful, but after, and before.
Well done Sally!
“Sally Bercow has reportedly snubbed an invitation to Margaret Thatcher’s funeral over her belief that the former Prime Minister instigated a “very greedy and selfish society”.
“Mr Bercow is said to have told organisers he would not be accompanied to the funeral by his wife, asking if he could bring a colleague instead.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sally-bercow-snubs-invitation-to-margaret-thatchers-funeral-8572313.html
P.S. Arthur Scargill will not be attending.
Ding-dong
Ultra-Orthodox man wears full-body condom
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/routine-emergencies/ultra-orthodox-man-wears-full-body-condom-world-media-goes-wild.premium-1.515386
Apartheid Israel; even in death:
“For the past decade, a phenomenon has been occurring in the military cemetery on Mount Herzl that goes against one of the main principles of the visionary of the State of Israel who gave the mountain its name: separation between the state − in this case, the army − and religion. Soldiers are being differentiated by religion after death, with those whom rabbis have decided are Jewish being buried in the cemetery’s central section, while Christians, Muslims and others are in a section off to the side. Those who were deemed second-class citizens in life in the Jewish state are also relegated to second-rate status in their burial, with the consent of the Israel Defense Forces.”
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israel-must-mourn-without-discrimination-1.515338
“I am as free to comment here as much as you Dreoilin”
Yes Mary. And when have I suggested, or implied or even hinted that you weren’t?
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H7N9 human infections in China hit 51
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/health/2013-04/14/c_132307195.htm
Prisoners, Guards Clash Over Guantanamo Bay Raid [13 Apr 2013]
Months of increased tension at the Guantanamo Bay prison boiled over into a clash between guards and detainees Saturday as the military closed a communal section of the facility and moved its inmates into single cells.
The violence erupted during an early morning raid that military officials said was necessary because prisoners had covered up security cameras and windows as part of a weekslong protest and hunger strike over their indefinite confinement and conditions at the U.S. base in Cuba.
Prisoners fought guards with makeshift weapons that included broomsticks when troops arrived to move them out of a communal wing of the section of the prison known as Camp 6, said Navy Capt. Robert Durand, a military spokesman. Guards responded by firing four “less-than-lethal rounds,” he said.
More:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/guards-detainees-clash-guantanamo-bay-18948034
Craig. I see your mate JOHN SWEENY is in the news again. It’s strange that quite often when he goes somewhere, a controversy blooms, yet it’s always someone else’s fault. Now he says the LSE is putting words into the mouths of students after his reconnaissance mission to North Korea ended. He likened NK to a Nazi state. I suggest the BBC save a lot of money and stop putting students in jeopardy, just make him tour the Nazi state of which he declares himself to be a ‘subject’ therein.
Lest we forget
Thatcher suggested ‘Cromwell solution’ for Northern Ireland
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/jun/16/northernireland.catholicism
Dreolin,
Latest count is 60 confirmed infected, 13 dead. Cases turning up in Beijing now.