In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.
Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.
Wonderful post mortem of the Thatcher Theft project:
“Richard D. Wolff is Professor of Economics Emeritus, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and currently a Visiting Professor in the Graduate Program in International Affairs of the New School University in New York. Wolff has also taught economics at Yale University, City University of New York, University of Utah, University of Paris I (Sorbonne), and The Brecht Forum in New York City.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ij5xsbRWyHQ
Thanks Anon.
That must have shot up fast. That link I posted is time-stamped 2013-04-14 10:31:22
Oops, maybe that was Chinese time. It’s currently 9.13pm in Beijing.
Husband of an earlier confirmed H7N9 case now confirmed infected with H7N9. Case onset times suggest human-human transmission but not proven. Wife died on April 3rd from H7N9
Dreolin,
Flu Forum thread tracking latest numbers direct from Chinese media http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=203807
Map of H7N9 confirmed cases https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&authuser=0&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=205430200180872645589.0004d962150bdee9261c0
Map from Dr. Niman (forum http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/index.php )
Anon @ 12.38. I was interested to learn that “liar, Liar, pants on fire” has been attributed to a William Blake poem. It could of course pre-date the Blake poem. I say that because I can remember kids chanting it in the fifties and everyone seems to think it only goes back to Blake (1820) but it seems more likely that Blake is paraphrasing the chant in his poem.
http://www.teenink.com/nonfiction/academic/article/362409/Liar-Liar-Pants-on-Fire/
And, almost certainly, the last two lines, were written about Tony Blair.
“What infernal serpent
Has lent you his forked tongue?
From what pit of foul deceit
Are all these whoppers sprung?
Deceiver, dissembler
Your trousers are alight
From what pole or gallows
Do they dangle in the night?”
Mark Biddiss , organiser of the dingdong campaign, has had his twitter account suspended. No comment yet from twitter.
His Facebook account remains active.
A football match broke out during anti-thatcher demonstrations at Hampden Park, Glasgow
https://twitter.com/FBAwayDays/status/323438100913192961/photo/1
Dundee United 3 Celtic 4 after extra time.
lwtc247
“I suggest the BBC save a lot of money and stop putting students in jeopardy, just make him tour the Nazi state of which he declares himself to be a ‘subject’ therein.”
Yeh – why don’t you go and try and download a copy of “Ding Dong the Eternal Leaders dead” in Pyonyang if you really believe your own garbage. You must be getting all excited as tomorrow is the big day.
@ Dreoilin :
““I am as free to comment here as much as you Dreoilin”
Yes Mary. And when have I suggested, or implied or even hinted that you weren’t?””
******
A typical tactic of Mary’s – she sets up a straw man as a defence. I don’t remember you ever having denied anyone the right to post (unlike some of the Eminences).
By the definition which you were kind enought to provide a few days ago, it seems more and more clear that Mary and people like her are the real trolls on this blog.
And by the way, I also note that Mary just can’t bring herself to condemn even slightly her Son’s filthy and tasteless post.
That speaks volumes.
ExPat quotes Ken Loach with apparent approval :
““My favourite bit of the archive that we found was seeing Winston Churchill heckled. That was great for us because the biggest war Churchill fought was against the working class of his own country and people forget that.””
What a silly, silly man Ken Loach is.
Od course, that makes him one of the Eminences’ heroes.
Habbakuk opines:
“I also note that Mary just can’t bring herself to condemn even slightly her Son’s filthy and tasteless post.”
Was it worse than Thatcher’s destruction of millions of lives, of which you approve?
Habbakuk says:
“What a silly, silly man Ken Loach is.”
Why is Ken Loach silly?
BBC puts students in jeopardy of being arrested as spies, by using a student trip to North Korea as cover for infiltration without consent:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10745813
The BBC just gets dirtier and dirtier by the day.
” very odd. Is there something “safer” than gold that these punters are buying instead? Oil, perhaps? But gold was vastly overvalued anyway.”
Gold, like all material things has no intrinsic value. It’s part of a belief system, or social contract which ascribes value based on the rarity and scarcity.
The experts say the trending down of gold and silver is not a good harbinger. It’s an attempt to tamp down the BRICS effort to re-establish gold as a collateral standard in oil trading. Someone is trying to make gold less attractive as a hedge. It all sounds conspiratorial, but what was it when the US gerrymandered the dollar as the currency of choice?
The collapse of the dollar (petrodollar) is not far off.
China takes another stab at the dollar, Komodo. China and Russia have been hoarding gold for just this purpose.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/13/us-china-france-currency-idUSBRE93C01S20130413
Herbie
Work it out – the clue is in the quote from Loach – also look up “biggest” in a dictionary. Yes we all know about Tonypandy, returning to the Gold Standard, the General Strike, Cable Street so further enlightenment isn’t necessary.
Res Diss
If you’re going to butt in, on Habbakuk’s part, at least make an attempt to answer the question.
Were the assertion of any merit, it’d be quite straightforward with no need for coy allusions.
Why is Ken Loach silly?
Who’s “We”? And if you know all about it, why aren’t you talking about it and sharing with others as is your habit.
I’ve not subscribed to the “Ding, dong . . .” downloads though a good friend sent me a version by Ella Fitzgerald which was an improvement (slightly jazzed-up) on the Judy Garland original.
Getting back to the origins of “liar, liar, pants on fire” it could relate an eighteenth century sermon called Liar, Liar by the Wesleyan preacher, Adam Clarke. As it’s Sunday I think the text used was Ephesians 4 v 24
22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
23to be made new in the attitude of your minds;
24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
25Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbour, for we are all members of one body.
26In your anger do not sin: [ Psalm 4:4 ] Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,
27and do not give the devil a foothold.
Maybe I shouldn’t but…
The leadership of NK is doubtless horrid, and the people will ‘ding dong’ themselves when the ‘ill’ dynasty finally goes, but the UK is a Nazi state too, albeit not in the form as you read about in your comic books.
lwtc247
14 Apr, 2013 – 1:34 pm
“JOHN SWEENY is in the news again”
Yes and this latest BBC propaganda story merely confirms suspicions that the BBC is controlled by and works for, our security services, MI6 I this case.
Not only did the BBC put the LSE students in danger they have now put all genuine journalists, working in hazardous areas – who report the real news – in danger as well.
Those wearing press ID passes are supposed to be regarded as civilians protected by international law. Spies do not get the same protection.
Genuine students and academics on research programmes, who visit “controversial” countries, will now come under increased surveillance and suspicion.
Reporters Without Borders has made no comment, perhaps they should be renamed Spies Without Borders?
I hadn’t finished my sermon but the comment posted without me even completing the Captcha. (I can only think the solution was 0.) I was going to remove the Psalm 4:4 and add that this could be the source of the skipping chant on a similar theme “Tell-tale tit, your tongue will split, and all the little birdies will have a bit.” At least that was a Yorkshire version. Both that and “Liar, liar . . .” remind me of Blair. It’s the forked tongue I think that does it (sorry Komodo). How they get corrupted is anyone’s guess. But my guess for “liar, liar” is that it goes back to the days when people were burnt at the stake for blasphemy, hence the line about pantaloons catching fire. Only a theory but I’m open to alternatives.
Herbie
I was trying to help you work it out – but unlike Ken Loach I believe Churchill’s biggest war was the Second World War when he played a fairly significant role as the Leader of the UK Government against the Nazis – most notably in not suing for peace with Hitler after Dunkirk even when amy in his own Party were pushing to do so. For that alone I can forgive all his misdemeanours against the working class.
Ben – Churchill like most political leaders (or people for that matter) was not a one dimensional figure who can be labelled wholly good or bad – there are plenty of histories about his life before WW2 (and all of that is not as remittingly bad as some might portray – he was a supporter of Lloyd George for many years – that said when he came to economics in peace time he was pretty much a free marketeer and was pretty ruthless with many trade unionists and strikers. I would recommend the following essay http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/04/hitchens.htm if you are interested in a more balanced view about Churchill which looks at both the negatives and the positives.
but the UK is a Nazi state too, albeit not in the form as you read about in your comic books.
nor in any history or political theory books written by grown ups.
Radio 1 plays “I’m in Love with Margaret Thatcher” (New entry at No. 35) in full on chart show with no editorial commentary.
Chart position of “Ding, Dong…” yet to be revealed and presumably it won’t be played unless the BBC have changed their minds at the last minute.
Good heavens, Habbakuk, are you imagining that because someone mildly responds to a post of Mary’s that they necessarily agree with your increasing dull attacks on her posts? I hope not. Otherwise I would be compelled never to respond to Mary again, just in case you might infer the former position from my response. Which would mean that you, in fact, are acting as Mary’s greatest defender – curiouser and curiouser. Is this some kind of plot?
Resident D;
“when a British military enterprise in Norway of Churchill’s devising failed disastrously, the British Parliament reacted by deposing the prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, opening up the position for Churchill himself. And when Chuchill’s confident belief that the Germans could be held at the Maginot Line was proven drastically wrong by the fall of France, he was able to use the opportunity to institute a new program of national unity which “stilled his critics and neutralized his rivals.” “At almost every point,” Hitchens writes, “Churchill was allowed by events to flaunt the medals of his defeats.””
Hard to believe the Master Strategist believed the Maginot would succeed. That ‘Pearl Harbor’ engendered support for his overarching strategy. He was like today’s republicans in the US. They don’t hide their warts they decorate and celebrate them.
Here’s the US Holocaust Memorial Nuseum decribing the nature of policing in the German Nazi state.
“The Nazi state in fact alleviated many of the frustrations the police experienced in the Weimar Republic. The Nazis shielded the police from public criticism by censoring the press. They ended street fighting by eliminating the Communist threat. Police manpower was even extended by the incorporation of Nazi paramilitary organizations as auxiliary policemen. The Nazis centralized and fully funded the police to better combat criminal gangs and promote state security. The Nazi state increased staff and training, and modernized police equipment. The Nazis offered the police the broadest latitude in arrests, incarceration, and the treatment of prisoners. The police moved to take “preventive action,” that is, to make arrests without the evidence required for a conviction in court and indeed without court supervision at all.”
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005464
Britain’s police seem to have most of this already, and that last bit is only all too familiar to those who wish to exercise their supposed rights to political protest and dissent.
It’s almost as if our leaders have been reading Hitler’s notes of how he closed down democracy and civil society.
The German population hadn’t a clue what was going on either.
The key really is to do it bit by bit. That was Thatcher’s error over the Poll Tax. She tried to take on the whole population at once. Cooler heads understood that you have to divide people and pick them off group by group, as she had indeed done in earlier days. Her crime was one of poor tactics, born of the arrogance you often hear about, and that’s why she had to go.