In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.
Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.
John Goss
Before you go much further in eulogizing Wesleyans such as Adam Clarke you really should read what EP Thompson has to say about them and in particular Jabez Bunting who led that Church when Clarke was in effect its chief ideologue. I’m afraid you will find that they were very much the Thatchers’ type of methodist and the sermons you quote were very much aimed at the poor workers in order to make them accept their lot in the current life so that they could get salvation in the after life through their pure minds.
Res Diss
Yes, yes, yes.
I’m simply asking why Ken Loach is silly.
What has he said or done that you and Habbakuk think silly?
Why all the waffle.
Ben
Read the rest of the essay – I never said that Churchill was without flaws. Even Republicans sometimes do the right thing.
Just a thought:
Mrs Thatcher’s funeral is to be held on the afternoon of Wednesday.
What about later? Is there to be a bun fight/wake?
If so, where and who’s paying for it?
@ Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie:
Ah, recovered enough confidence to emerge from the woodwork again?
Just try and keep it clean from now on, OK? No filth, no insults, no irremevancies and not perpetually asking people to give you sources and to explain themselves. Just substantive posts, there’s a good lad.
Re your question as to who’s paying for it. Certainly not you, Foug, so don’t worry. If I remember correctly, you don’t even pay your TV licence fee, do you.
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@ Herbie :
I didn’t say that Ken Loach was silly.
I said that he was very, very silly.
As you are becoming rather rapidly.
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KL is silly because of what he said in the quote highlighted by Habba – that said I have a lot of time for much of his work. Kathy Come Home and the other Plays for Today whiuch I saw as a kid played a large role in devloping my political conscience – so I’m more than happy to forgive his occaisonal sillyness.
Resident;
I agree with you there have been Republicans who did the right thing, but not lately. Lincoln and T Roosevelt contributed to their Country in lasting and beneficial ways. Today, however, the political moniker has shifted like a tectonic plate, reversing roles.
Southern Democrats in the 20th century (Dixiecrats) supported Jim Crow Laws and even one of our most venerated Senators was a Kleagle in the KKK, until he was born again,( politically expedient).
In the 21st century there’s not a dime’s worth of difference ‘twixt republicans and democrats.
Another thought:
Hundreds of Members of Parliament (both the Commons and Lords) will be in attendance on Wednesday.
Will they be able to claim expenses for travel and accommodation?
This is an important point.
Oh good.
Now the organ grinder is back, I can dispense with a tedious monkey, totally incapable of answering a straighforward question.
So, perhaps Habbakuk can explain why Ken Loach is silly, or whatever variant you want to put on it.
Otherwise it’s fairly safe to conclude you’re simply talking nonsense with nothing to back it up.
And while you’re at it, can you explain why Doug’s post is worse than Thatcher’s destruction of the lives of millions, which you supported.
@ Resident Dissident :
I approach this topic with some trepidation, fearing that I might be lapidated for daring to point to the feet of clay of one of the Heroes of this blog.
It is true that one could – and should – forgive Ken Loach for being silly occasionally. Unfortunately, however, he is silly much more frequently than you might be aware. In fact he is usually silly (or even very, very silly) whenever he opens his mouth on political or economic themes. And that, unfortunately again, is quite often.
In a way, I suppose, this demonstrates yet again that there is no necessary connection between an artist’s creative talent and him or her as a reliable political/economic commenter and/or actor.
(Glenda Jackson is another example by the way)
Herbie,
I’m not sure losing Scotland was part of the plan. Recall in 1979 when Thatcher was first elected there were 22 Scottish Tory MPs. By the time Tony Blair was first elected in 1997 there were zero Scottish Tory MPs. The percentage of the population in Scotland voting Tory has halved since 1979 (to 16.7% at the last General Election).
“Hard to believe the Master Strategist believed the Maginot would succeed. ”
Why not? Everybody else did.
A thought from Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie :
“Another thought:
Hundreds of Members of Parliament (both the Commons and Lords) will be in attendance on Wednesday.
Will they be able to claim expenses for travel and accommodation?
This is an important point.”
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Well actually – in the grand scheme of things – it’s a rather unimportant point.
But the answer is : yes, I should imagine so. And a jolly good thing too.
PS – have you bought your TV licence fee yet, Doug? Or are you one of those scroungers who believes they should get a free ride?
Twice I’ve been encouraged to read a book by E. P. Thompson (The Making of the English Working Class) which I read many years ago together with Engel’s “Conditions of the Working Class in 1844” and a whole host of other social histories. Thompson was a justly-acknowledged historian. His work is a textbook classic. I can’t remember what, as a Wesleyan himself, he specifically wrote about Wesleyans but the ploy is diversionary and what I was talking about was the history of skipping-songs. Sorry if you missed that, RD! But do try to keep up and not simply pick one word from a comment to go into your spin. Then I might engage you.
Isn’t it curious that when asked a straightforward question about their view of Ken Loach, neither Habbakuk nor Res Diss can give a straight answer?
Waffle and rhetorical appeals to a rather dim mainstream narrative is all they offer by way of reply.
It’s important to note this because they do the same thing time and time again.
These are not people to whom discussion is anything other than a nuisance to be swatted away, whilst their heroes go on about the business of stealing from the poor to give to the rich.
There’s nothing difficult or complex about it. This is what you’re dealing with.
This is one of the more amusing aspects of Ding Dong’s death.
The more poor Cameron glorifies the old witch’s memory, the poorer his own present performance seems by comparison.
And he can’t not do it. Oh no!
You’d have to have a heart of stone not to collapse laughing, at this gang of fraudsters.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/04/14/uk-britain-thatcher-cameron-idUKBRE93D07H20130414
Mrs Thatcher had useful close friends. Hugh Thurston and Leonard Day are also financial advisers to the baroness, including trustees for her £6 million town house in Belgravia.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatchers-6million-townhouse-owned-1828724#.UWl8W_wv5xY.twitter
Day and Thurston have got form. The web of nefarious arms profiteering is clearly understood in this insider report. Now where is the connection to Sir Mark Thatcher – any insight?
http://iluvsa.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/pandoras-box-squeaks-open.html
Looks like our dear, departed leader, Ding Dong, was even more thoroughly disreputable than we’d thought:
Margaret Thatcher ‘gave her approval’ to her son Mark’s failed coup attempt in Equatorial Guinea
Unpublished version of memoir by former SAS officer Simon Mann records Baroness Thatcher’s endorsement of plan to depose oil-rich country’s president
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/14/thatcher-knew-of-equatorial-giunea-coup-attempt
Everyone’s at it now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J_2tKCwu7Q
Haha The BBC played the best bit after all. They might as well have played it in full. New Entry at 2 (FIX!).
Thanks Herbie, I’ve been following this story. Simon Mann was the only one of the four to spend time in prison, and he looked a wreck when he got out.
“Mann, whose father was George Mann, captain of the England cricket team in the 1940s, was pardoned and released from the regime’s notorious Black Beach prison in 2009, on humanitarian grounds.”
I don’t doubt the humanitarian grounds included a big bundle of filthy laundered dollars, because that’s all these people know, and it’s probably what kept Mark Thatcher out of prison too. Good timing for that report.
What a silly, silly man Ken Loach is.
No proof, just your opinion habbakack. The man has raised more consciousness with his little finger, never mind his films, than youn have in your whole life, one presumes.
So why, if you can substantiate his very very silliness, have you used his name to garnish your scum?
Hmm I suppose anything would have done to straddle your fat, but inconsequential self on top of another page, isn’t it. It is important to you to be seen on top you very very sad boy.
Thanks Herbie – The Baroness is dead and so the Knight must now carry the albatross, the pain and the impeachment.
http://www.officialcharts.com/scottish-singles-chart/
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Craig,
apparently, Halibabacus and other resident daleks are no longer content with their two minutes of hate but burrow incessantly, like voracious woodworms, into the fabric of your blog. In the fifties, activists of their sort were lobotomised (leucotomized in the US, the same thing but it sounds nicer] to pacify their deranged minds. In those good old days such “healing” methods seemed necessary to protect children and society. The latter needs no protection any more as it has already been snatched away from us by gangs of thatcherites. But children are still with us and as they may inadvertently enter these pages, should you not do something for their protection? Could you not try devising a more humane way to deal with these wreckers who have become permant residents in your woodwork. For a start, a warning like “the content of this blog is unsuitable for children” could do.
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In 1977 Mi5 kept God Save the Queen from being No1 by buying Rod Stewart. Just saying. #DingDong
“Hard to believe the Master Strategist believed the Maginot would succeed. ”
Why not? Everybody else did.
You mean like Chas DeGaulle?
http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Maginot_Line_(The_War_That_Came_Early)#Maginot_Line_in_The_War_That_Came_Early
Herbie wrote:
The talk is slighty slow paced but i ended up listening to all 1hr 30 mins. Its the clear and accessible financial situation. No laser beams or voodoo involved. He says near the end,
“Have there been people who have said in the face of this sort of story who say we do something?
Yes in France for example came the Nationalisation of the Banks.
In 1950 60s 70s all the major banks in France were Government Banks
Is that an option?
Of course it is.
But the genius of America, of Great Britain
the legacy of Thatcher and Regan is –that obvious alternative doesn’t get mentioned, doesnt get debated, is swept under the rug, is avoided because polite people dont even talk like that”
Herbie: I think Res Dis gave quite a straightforward response, and somehow I can’t imagine Habbakuk being moved by Cathy Come Home – please correct me if I’m wrong, that poster.
Otherwise, not holding a brief for the heartbreaking excesses of our police forces, but you say:
“Police manpower was even extended by the incorporation of Nazi paramilitary organizations as auxiliary policemen”
Can you clarify how this is happening here?
“The Nazis centralized and fully funded the police to better combat criminal gangs and promote state security”
This government have been cutting police budgets for the last two years (with a freeze for this year, admittedly)
Personally, I don’t think we or the police are there yet – though being at the receiving end of spying, batons and cavalry charges might incline one to think so.
Tech
“I think Res Dis gave quite a straightforward response”
So where is it!!
What is it that Ken Loach said or did that was silly?
Why so coy.
Just say what it is!
Why is there such a problem with this question?