In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.
Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.
Dave @ 11:16
“Thatchers Gov.was so paronoid with regards to the counterculture movement
they had every Hippy head shop and left wing bookshops under tight surveillance”
This is what makes them idiots. Don’t they know that ‘slackers’ are mostly apolitical? Whacking the bee hive with a bat only riles them up.
Anon,
Thanks for the earlier links about H7N9. I’ve been reading up some more here
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/apr1213genetic.html
Another vacuous post from the Habu-Clown, lots of troll engineered nonsense “questions”, following the same troll blue-print tactic of throwing lots of questions (not all as blatantly void as these), and then refusing to engage when challenged (recent example being Craig’s comeback to the Habu-Clown’s standard opening “questions”, highlighting the very different Government actions taken towards a failing British heavy industry, and a completely failed British financial services industry), which of course went unanswered as the Habu-Clown preferred instead to continue to attack other Posters rather than engaged in honest debate.
Note also that the ever coy Habu-Clown has nothing to say about his tasteless hypocrisy, obviously needs to “man up a little!”
Macky: @Dreoilin and Village, shame on you for attacking Mary because you took exception to Doug’s Post; either it’s irrational damnation by association, @Dreoilin and Village, shame on you for attacking Mary because you took exception to Doug’s Post; either it’s irrational damnation by association, or you were just looking for any excuse to get at her.
Macky,
A. I do not submit myself to your judgment, thank you very much. Calm down. I have to question your objectivity when you make cavalier remarks like “…or you were just looking for any excuse to get at her.”
B. Mary
13 Apr, 2013 – 11:05 pm came out clearly in support of DS’s comment, and disingenuous ‘apology’ by emphatically stating:
“Doug. I feel and share your anger.”
What does that mean? Have you been following that part of the thread closely?
C. Mary has subsequently commented this a.m.:
“I did not comment on Doug Scorgie’s joke. He apologised to those who expressed that they had been offended which should have been the end of the matter for goodness’ sake.
I said to him that I feel and share his anger which some here seem to imply is contrived. I don’t think it is. I use this metaphor about pond skaters, little creatures that live on the surface of water suspended by the surface tension and either fearing to look down into the depths, or knowing what might be there, yet denying it. Simolar to those here who are self obsessed, complacent, and lacking in moral courage and unable to feel the terrible pain of the other, especially if they are far away and brown. Think on.”
But fact remains she said clearly and emphatically what she said at B. above. Fact also remains DS’s ‘apology’ was utterly disingenuous. What she is now saying in the latter para above was not what was said in her original clear message of support. Not that i pretend to understand quite what she is now saying in this second paragraph.
In summary, my comment of last night bears repeating:
Villager
13 Apr, 2013 – 11:35 pm
DS:
“I am surprised that certain people here seem to be shocked by a silly joke but not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”
The ‘joke’ was not ‘silly’ — it was plain disgusting! Not a good idea to share with others the dirt of your imagination. Please don’t assume others’ imagery is necessarily aligned to yours.
Further re: “not shocked enough to condemn the violence against innocent men, women and children around the world perpetrated by the likes of Thatcher and her international friends.”
How do you know? Don’t be pretentious. You and Mary do not have a monopoly on the narrative for condemnations. But, please feel free to carry on, regardless.
More: “I doubt if any of you have even seen a dead body let alone that of a tortured and mutilated child or that of a woman murdered and raped by the military while she was “still warm”
How do you know? Stick to the facts.
“You are a pusillanimous bunch with big mouths that hide behind anonymity.”
Sounds like you didn’t like what you saw when a mirror was held up to you. If you (and Mary) can’t take the slightest criticism, perhaps you have stopped growing? And maybe all these compulsive posts are just another form of escape?
Just pointing out.
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Want to reconsider your assignment of shame? There may be a genuine misunderstanding of what Mary was meant by “Doug. I feel and share your anger.” Mary can clarify again in simple terms, if she so wishes.
Meantime, i suggest you be a little more circumspect and a little less trigger-happy. You are only contributing to the underlying conflict and divisiveness on this blog which you are so concerned about.
Airdrieonian
14 Apr, 2013 – 11:29 pm
“I’ve lurked around this ‘blog long enough to come to a couple of conclusions:
1. There are a lot of interesting points made.
2. Habakuk is a mewling quim.”
I think these are very astute observations.
As the man said:
Krishnamurti: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
I’d say Hababkuk is just one of those that appears to be very well adjusted.
Further, imho, there are no trolls here. Everyone else is perfectly able and capable of rational debate without playing silly, childish games. One needs to accept though that people can disagree and it doesn’t take a huge dose of grace to agree to disagree. What my deepest fear is, is that for all the debate, people don’t want to change (themselves), but they want to see it happen; they want others to do it for them. It ain’t gonna happen.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi – “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.”
Easier said than done.
Nevermind the LSE students being duped.
Where is the virtue in John Sweeney uncovering the ills of the North Korean regime? The audience already has a good idea of what North Korea is like, and we are powerless to do anything about it. Short of back more sanctions that hurt the already impoverished, or back a violent regime change that will hurt the NK peasantry even more.
Since he is Craig’s mate, maybe Craig should talk him into doing a documentary that actually reveals something the public doesn’t know, and doesn’t reinforce Western Foreign Policy.
Villager @ 12:23
Chill out, dude. 🙂
**In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself.**
Jiddu Krishnamurti
Despite the nearly 500 comments here, i am surprised nobody has made the following observations:
1. “After the 1973 oil crisis, the oil price had quadrupled. The 1979 oil crisis (“second”) caused another tripling.” (Wikipedia).
The British economy by luck was buoyed from these massively enhanced North Sea Oil revenues. These revenues allowed Mrs Thatcher to make her controversial changes in the Uk economic landscape: coal, Heavy industries and the fostering of financial markets/services through the 1986 Big Bang.
2. Mrs Thatcher was resident in a suite at the The Ritz Hotel since Christmas (with carer and nursing staff etc?). What kind of message does that send to the public in these times? A touch of Class or Crass?
3. According to George Galloway, Sir Mark is now Lord Mark Thatcher with a seat in the House of Lords. Is that borne out of a medieval system? How does that sit with the fact that this man was rejected a US visa, despite his wife having been an American national?
Ben, I am very chilled, thanks for your concern. You may want to turn your fans in other directions with people getting quite het up here, as i see it rather uselessly. Glad to see that someone else is studying K.
” According to George Galloway, Sir Mark is now Lord Mark Thatcher with a seat in the House of Lords. ”
Gorgeous George is talking out of his fat backside again. Maggie was given a life peerage in 1992, not an hereditary one, so the title dies with her. Mark has already inherited his father’s baronetcy which is why he’s Sir Mark. There are still calls for him to be stripped of this honour because of his conviction in SA over the coup attempt.
TORY B’STARD – RIP ?
“Glenda Jackson let rip with an attack on Thatcher and her “heinous” legacy that had the Tories gasping as if a drunk had gate-crashed their wake.” – by Brian Reade – The Mirror –
plus George Galloway giving the Tory fantasy version of Thatcher’s story an almighty pasting – in his usual, ER, ‘forthright’ style – in exceptionally good form! ; ) –
– ‘Goodnight with George Galloway – The Thatcher episode, Explosive!’ –
Plus great footage of Ken Loach on The Spirit of ’45, Thatcher and on Churchill’s biggest war – as a class warrior fighting against the working class of his own country! – who knew?! – Good stuff –
See – ‘THATCHER – A BRITISH FAR-RIGHT US EMPIRE QUISLING ?’ – a comment to
– ‘Glenda Jackson on the Death of Margaret Thatcher: ‘I had to speak out to stop history being rewritten’.’ – 13th April 2013 – ICH –
– http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34595.htm
Hence – Maggie’s Desert Island Discs pick – Comic Relief Special –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_0cayp5s0#t=00m37s
MORE B’STARDS
The New Statesman – ‘A Good Start’ (*1) (ER, ‘Special’!) – Superb, but only in Spanish
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa6sF1XdgmI#t=00m35s
New Labour, Liberal Democrats and Tories – they’re all (US Empire Quisling) B’stards – ‘Three line whipping’ – “I’m your new French mistress” – Ahem, sic! ; ) –
(ER, The New Statesman? Ed.)
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAiI9z7X2_c#t=00m40s
(*1) After What do you call a thousand US Empire UK Quislings at the bottom of the ocean? ; )
The vast Pentagon building that houses 28,000 employees was hit in a tiny corner EXACTLY where the 41 accountants figuring out the Rumsfelds $2.3 TRILLION hole in the books were housed. By comparison Silversteins $7b insurance claim was small change, no wonder he was angling for more until recently !
OK so the whole world thinks 911 was a conspiracy now, but the Pentagon is a government building and ALL the evidence to prove otherwise is held by the FBI, SO why dont they release it and free Jesse Ventura and many other Americans too from this continued false flag allegation agony. GI Joe out in the field would be the first to benefit, watching all the videos on the web, his morale is sunk so low it even aint enough to defeat the Taliban with their rusty AK47s.
More importantly the Habba,Kempe,ResDis crowd may be saved from aiding,abetting and obfuscating after the fact,earning tickets on the cattle car to Hell, for being accessories after the fact. If 911 is true and the Warren Commission “deniers” are right,Mr Cause n Effect may be expected to be SILENT again not only the Pope of Rome.
Nicolás Maduro declared Venezuela election winner by thin margin
Political heir to Hugo Chávez claims victory in presidential election but rival Henrique Capriles demands recount
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/15/nicolas-maduro-wins-venezuela-election
UK – RULED BY US EMPIRE PUPPETS
THATCHER – A BRITISH FAR-RIGHT US EMPIRE QUISLING ?
Margaret Thatcher was central to the insane de-regulation of the City.
The City is now utterly kaput – since 2008 – a corpse into which blood is still being pumped, but still a corpse. North Sea oil is nearly gone. While the wealth from North Sea oil has ‘disappeared’ offshore into the pockets of … ? Guess Who!
‘WELL HOW DID WE GET HERE?”
There is an important essay on the UK’s economy and the City by Robin Ramsay in Lobster magazine, Winter 2010.
OIL – Page 83
“Reducing inflation and deciding what to do with the coming oil money were two big items on the economic agendum in late 1970s Britain. Let’s take oil first. In the Labour Cabinet Tony Benn wanted to create an oil fund – what would now be called a sovereign wealth fund – to be used for industrial investment. (This is what Norway did with its oil money; their oil fund is now worth roughly $450 billion.) But after a debate in Cabinet, the fund idea was rejected. Benn noted in his diary:
‘So that is the end of the saga of oil revenues. They are now a part of general public expenditure…..we are going to give it away in tax cuts.’ 50
– 50 Tony Benn, Conflicts of Interest: Diaries 1977-80 (London: Hutchinson, 1990) pp. 280/1.
Not quite ‘the end of the saga of oil revenues’. – Page 86 –
“Where had the oil riches gone? The Guardian’s Victor Keegan wrote in 1983:
‘Most of it, in the supreme irony of economic history, has gone to pay out unemployment to those who would not have lost their jobs if we had not discovered [oil] in the first place.’ (Emphasis added.)5
“If British economic history since the 1920s shows one thing it is that these ‘ironies’ always benefit the financial and overseas sector and not domestic manufacturing.”
The ‘overseas sector’, as in the US Empire, aided by the UK Elite – UK Traitors – (Tory, New Labour and Liberal Democrat) B’stards!? No change there, then.
– From ‘Well How Did We Get Here?’ by Robin Ramsay, Winter 2010 – UK Lobster –
– http://tinyurl.com/9zvaosh
Pages 64 – 105 – pdf direct –
– http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster60/lobster60.pdf
OR search yourself –
– http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/
UK – RULED BY US EMPIRE PUPPETS – 2
Why did Britain not have a national oil wealth fund, like Norway?
(ER, Because the US Empire wouldn’t like it?? Ed.)
NORWAY’S OIL WEALTH
Norway, on the other hand, kept its oil wealth for future generations. For which, and opposing Israel’s Jewish Nazis, it apparently received a taste of the US Empire’s ‘Strategy of Tension’ via USUK-Neo-Con-Nazi-Quisling ‘Bonkers’ Breivik.
– Where then is sane? Europe – A progressive land of milk and honey, where the crazy right wing is ‘Norwegian conservative guy’ @ 1.20. Excepting, naturally, USUK-Neo-Con-Nazi-Quisling ‘Bonkers’ Breivik. –
– Norway’s oIl wealth @ 1.50 –
– From Michael Moore’s Sicko –
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSUCbClg8E
US IMPERIALISM
‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism,’ _and_ how to combat it! ; ) – Johan Galtung, 1971 – revered father of peace studies –
– http://bev.berkeley.edu/ipe/readings/Galtung.pdf
Plus ‘A Structural Theory of Imperialism – Ten Years Later – 1981. _More_ on how to combat Empires. Strangely enough the pdf is unreadable – the Empire has willing hands everywhere? – Printing it helps a very little. Reducing the font size, moreso. ; )
– http://tinyurl.com/7tjw93r
Ex Pat, good you elaborated on the issue of oil revenues, especially contrasting it with Norway’s approach. This is the most critical aspect of Thatcher’s policy that convinces me that not only did she not have a very good grasp of economics, but she was also a disaster as a money-manager. Economically speaking, North Sea oil revenue was Britain’s greatest lost opportunity in modern times.
Thank you, after all.
The Unions here- Cammel Laird ship builders had a 2 year dissagreement over who would paint the ships waterline.
Other nations were often too busy building and rebuilding the country to foster such petty actions which here were brokered by the passions of a Socialist workers movement.
Our divide through class and wealth see’s us at odds although as in Fascist Germany we arw underpinned by our efforts although here our welfare class has little incentive for anything enhanced by our lack of proper education and media.
Gone are the hard working Protestants mow we are jusy lazy peasants witj many social dissorders, mostly formulated through decisive dividing actions assisted witj out left wing thinkers.
As we now can see with our Godless reactiin to Thatchers passinh.
Free speach No ? Hate Speach Yes.
Mary: “I’m out of this increasingly unpleasant place until Craig posts again. Good hunting. I have a lot of gardening to catch up on.”
There is an old Chinese saying: ” If you want to happy for a day, get drunk. If you want to be happy for a week, get married. If you want to be happy for a lifetime, become a gardner.”
” Dreoilin and Villager. Put the boot in why don’t you and kick my other shin. You have fallen into the trap set by the most active of the site’s trolls and the others have thus been provided with ‘nourishment’.”
Mary, i don’t want to be seen talking behind your back. Please be clear, there was no intention to kick any shin. I have covered the subject latterly in my response to Macky just above. If there is a misunderstanding, please clarify, preferably in the simplest possible terms.
Also, quite recently, you made an intriguing remark which went “Even Krishnamurti.” I requested you to clarify at the time what you meant. I’m still curious, but happy to pass on it if you don’t feel like recalling.
Was Spring waiting for the Iron Lady to rust, before arriving? May she Rust in Peace.
Jay
15 Apr, 2013 – 8:40 am
“The Unions here- Cammel Laird ship builders had a 2 year dissagreement over who would paint the ships waterline.”
Interesting. Can you refer me to the source of that so I can find out more?
Thanks in advance.
First UK fracking leak as Dart Energy wells fail
http://frack-off.org.uk/first-uk-fracking-leak-as-dart-energy-wells-fail/
“A military rehearsal of Baroness Thatcher’s funeral procession has taken place in central London.”
“More than 700 members of the armed forces drawn from all three services took part in the practice before dawn.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22149303
More public expense £10 million and rising!
“Also, quite recently, you made an intriguing remark which went “Even Krishnamurti.” I requested you to clarify at the time what you meant. I’m still curious, but happy to pass on it if you don’t feel like recalling.”
Since you want to return to the tiny suggestive expression, i think i understood it at the time to have simply hinted that your conversation was falling well short of your Krishnamurti quotes.
But do you could consider whether this kind of conversation is important enough to lay out in the comment feed of Craigs blog? What could ever come of it?
Some people have little interest in tending to their pseudonymous affairs, others follow almost every possible slight in their best composed prose, –to absolutely minimal prevail.
The real way to prevail over any of these “what did you say about me” curiosities, is to care as little about your chat as people with bigger problems to attend to must.
Crab, thank you for your attempt at interpreting Mary. Perhaps Mary will interpret what you are attempting to say, although i don’t frame this as a request.
Hope you are celebrating Spring!
Ding dong or no ding dong?
“GRIEF-STRICKEN Tories are pressing for Big Ben to be silenced while Margaret Thatcher’s coffin leaves Westminster on the way to her funeral.
In response to demands from MPs, the plan is set to be presented by Speaker John Bercow to Cabinet Office minister Francis Maude this morning.
If Maude, an organiser of Wednesday’s funeral, agrees, the clock tower will not chime as her coffin is taken to St Paul’s cathedral.
Tories have been going over the top in a bid to honour their heroine, who served as Prime Minister from 1979 to 1990.
MPs Christopher Pincher and Thatcher’s close friend Conor Burns originally wanted the bell to chime 87 times, once for each year of her life – but Thatcher’s family vetoed the idea …”
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tories-call-big-ben-silenced-1833060
Dreoilin
15 Apr, 2013 – 9:58 am
Ding dong or no ding dong?
LOL and roll on the Commons floor! Amazing what they have time for isn’t it?!!
@ Villager :
Mary never attempts to explain what she means, she just spills out her little bit of bile and then retreats into silence (and lets her “Son” and other useful idiots do the answering).
BTW, I love the latest tactic (although it’s not entirely new) of the little blackmail : “I’m SOOOO upset that I’m not going to post again until Craig starts a new thread”; presumably Mary then expects a flood of posts saying “Oh nooooo, Mary, do post again, we and this blog can’t do without you”.
So far, silence……
“…Ultimately Britain lost that war, and very badly. The US was the main winner and arguably the Soviets. The Germans and Japanese having been put out of action allowed Britain and the US to benefit from their poorer industrial products until Germany and Japan got up to speed again…”
Law of Unintended Consequences. Another facet of this is that having been bombed flat both Germany and Japan were able completely to reconfigure their manufacturing industries along modern lines during their recovery. And Japan in particular was able to add automated manufacture and advanced metallurgy to its portfolio of industrial talents, while poor old Blighty continued to make expensive crap from mild steel, by hand. While Triumph were punting pushrod twin motorcycles with kickstarts and 6V electrics, Honda were producing ohc multis with lights that worked. And – wow- indicators. For instance.
Thatcher (and, arguably, her predecessors – Wilson certainly tried) had the opportunity to reconfigure. But after collapsing our manufacturing industry she was content to rely on funny money creation.
Churchill flaunting his failures? I don’t think even he tried to magnify his abysmal failure at Gallipoli…but, as the objective of the UK in WW2 was to avoid being governed by German National Socialists, and to that extent we won, I’m certainly not going to belittle his role in that.
“LOL and roll on the Commons floor! Amazing what they have time for isn’t it?!!”
From where I’m sitting, it sure comes across as madness 🙂
@ Jay :
Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie asks you to give him the source for your bit of info about Cammell Laird shipbuilders and the two year argument.
My advbice to you is don’t bother. Asking for sources is a standard Scourge device to obfuscate and hit a point into the long grass.
He recently asked me for sources for something to do with President Chavez and when I supplied them he finally admitted – after a lot of prodding from me – that he “couldn’t be arsed” to follow them up.
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La vita è bella, life is good! (ban filth from this blog)
^ Something which hasn’t provided a source since it came here.