There are gaping holes in the official story of the Boston bombings.
We are asked to believe that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was identified by the Russian government as an extremist Dagestani or Chechen Islamist terrorist, and they were so concerned about it that in late 2010 they asked the US government to take action. At that time, the US and Russia did not normally have a security cooperation relationship over the Caucasus, particularly following the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008. For the Russians to ask the Americans for assistance, Tsarnaev must have been high on their list of worries.
In early 2011 the FBI interview Tsarnaev and trawl his papers and computers but apparently – remarkably for somebody allegedly radicalised by internet – the habitually paranoid FBI find nothing of concern.
So far, so weird. But now this gets utterly incredible. In 2012 Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who is of such concern to Russian security, is able to fly to Russia and pass through the airport security checks of the world’s most thoroughly and brutally efficient security services without being picked up. He is then able to proceed to Dagestan – right at the heart of the world’s heaviest military occupation and the world’s most far reaching secret police surveillance – again without being intercepted, and he is able there to go through some form of terror training or further Islamist indoctrination. He then flies out again without any intervention by the Russian security services.
That is the official story and I have no doubt it did not happen. I know Russia and I know the Russian security services. Whatever else they may be, they are extremely well-equipped, experienced and efficient and embedded into a social fabric accustomed to cooperation with their mastery. This scenario is simply impossible in the real world.
We have, by the official account, the involvement of the two Tsarnaev brothers, the FBI and the Russian security services. The FBI have a massive recent record of running agent provocateur operations to entrap gullible Muslims into terrorism. The Russian security services have form on false flag Chechen bombings. Where the truth lies may be difficult to dig out. But the above official version is not true.
Jives,
Yes those all point to something, and the Gulf of Tonken incident and resolution escalated our involvement in an already nasty situation. JFK got us into it, and created modern day SOF for the US. That bogus incident also gave the President powers of war which traditionally took an act of Congress.
In hindsight, we sent OSS(what would eventually become the CIA) officers to Vietnam during Japanese occupation, and even worked with Ho Chi Minh. I was amazed to see that when the Vietnamese framed their constitution, they actually took lines from ours. During the official ceremony, this OSS officer had his picture taken, in his uniform. During the war, many people argued that Ho Chi Minh was more of a nationalist than a communist. I even had a college professor that was the DIA’s expert on China during the Vietnam war. He told us he was flown to an Air Force SAC base in Wyoming or the Dakota’s (some where around there). He was flown to brief a bunch of AF generals on ‘how to get the Chinese out of Vietnam’. He pretty much lost his job when he told them ‘if you want China out, get out of Vietnam’ as the two countries have had numerous conflicts going back hundreds of years. In short they wanted to hear ‘more bombing’…
So yeah, your points are valid. However I came to this site as I saw it referenced at another blog. When I got here I noticed the article, and read comments. Some of the stuff I read was what I felt to be really far fetched, especially based on my own personal experience. It’s why I chimed in. The person I’ve gone back and forth with, well my main challenge was not what he believed but how he was crying foul without any academic basis and without anything other than articles on the internet. I suggested, more than once, that one should wait for a more detailed and official report and then refute what it’s saying.
Spalding,
That’s fair enough but surely,with your background in law enforcement,you will understand that a crime scene is forensically and evidentially at its most revealing the nearer one is to the incident.
Given this don’t you think it’s logical that this new trend of blogger/online investigators garnering as much info as possible as close to the time of the incident is natural and logical?
If there are cover-ups/conspiracies surely they are more vulnerable to making mistakes early on rather than later when mistakes or evidence of the conspiracy can be covered up?
It’s, again, possible. However like the USS Maine, or Tonken, there wasn’t really anyone there other than those involved with the conspiracy (if there truly were conspiracies). Nobody from a third party was there with say an iPhone. It was basically the word of those there (perhaps even conspirators). Also there was no internet or even rapid dissemination of information.
I bring those up to point out that if say last weeks bombing was a conspiracy, the conspirators would also have to take these issues into account, making it even harder for the group executing these actions to remain small, and have plausible dependability. Someone chimed in yesterday with photos revealing XYZ of the remnants of the explosives and where else they may have been located, how the blast was different in the pictures than what’s being accepted by the public at large. My comments and opinion:
1. How many pictures taken at what angles and are they officially released photos? Point being is did they show ALL the pictures taken of that area and if so, they’d have to be official or leaked because that whole area was a crime scene.
2. At anytime were any references made in the article to any independent explosives expert(s) with real credentials whom examined these photos? Or was there just an investigative reporter saying ‘notice the inconsistencies’.
3. One of the first lines I read at this blog was ‘you can see how it was Photoshopped’. That cuts both ways as anyone has the technology these days, and again, can be used to an individual or groups own agendas.
My own experience was with ballistics and toolmark analysis. These are hard sciences and what ‘looks’ to have happened vs what can or does happen are scientifically researched, verified, and published.
As for your last point, I would agree. Especially let’s say many people have videos and pictures from a blast area, and later published photos look entirely different, then yeah that’s great to have, and from there what’s accepted as ‘official’ can start to be refuted.
Yes it’s better for the general public to have some sort of documented evidence as soon as possible, but if people always buy into conspiracy from the onset, then evidence by the conspirators can later be changed in the official reports. Another reason to hold your cards, and only play them after others have played. As for if people cry foul right now, when the story is being reported with new information daily, it’s not likely to raise a lot of eyebrows in my opinion then if an agency or the government released an official report and evidence there can then be shown false. Then you get investigative committees.
“The War On Terror Is Over. America Lost.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aK2w_FdHYV8
I forgot to mention in my last post that only in recent years did I learn about Operation Gladio (you second link above points to a book on the subject). I loved the motto: “In being silent I serve freedom”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Herbie,
I have issues to what’s being presented there. They claim Watertown homes were raided by rouge swat teams, but from the only video images I saw they were knocking on doors, and were not ‘stacked’ to breech an entry. Furthermore, take the War on Terror out of the picture. What happened last week was very similar in response to the DC sniper shootings, and trust me, the public in that case grew more and more restless as time went by without any sign of a suspect or any sight of a resolution. Agents dressed in the same gear were on the beltway (an interstate highway) stopping traffic and looking for any suspicious persons. Agents were going house to house of anyone know to have a 5.56X45 assault weapon and basically taking them to have them imaged. The video doesn’t mention some of those similarities. The War on Terror had just begun, but this caused 3 weeks of pandemonium and paranoia.
My point being if you were there in any of those situations, and were told that suspects are on the loose and considered armed and dangerous would you not help the police? Would you actually protest during the operation?
Spalding, you wrote
“Also we’re much bigger in population, land mass, and even diversity. I’ve driven from east to west in you country in about 3 hours. My state alone is bigger than your country.”
I said,
And your point is?
You replied
“My point is if we took that same poll (remember a poll, which is a small sample from the general population), and did it in your country on an adjusted scale based on population within that range, you might be surprised of the results.”
Don’t waste my time, Spalding. That’s not an answer. That doesn’t explain what you wrote above, which was all about how “big” you are. So answer my question, Spalding, and stop ducking and diving.
Boston bombers’ uncle, Uncle Ruslan, married daughter of top CIA official
And other interesting connections Uncle Ruslan has with US spooks
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/26/boston-bombers-uncle-married-daughter-of-top-cia-official/
Cats Eye,
THAT IS MY POINT. Your country is SMALL. 6.4 million (including Northern Ireland). 313 million here. As for diversity alone, there are more Irish Americans here than Irish in Ireland. There’s a large population of Somali’s where I currently live. How about yours? I don’t recall seeing large numbers of immigrants anywhere I went… Also how many STATISTICS classes have you taken? That’s a question not a comment. I’m sorry a CNN poll doesn’t take a lot of time to do or compile, especially if it was polled on the web. I can pick it a part all day long if they published things like the sample size, how many and which schools they polled, etc… So when you post a CNN poll which blasts how dumb people are take those factors into consideration. Also take into consideration we have states here that the population bigger than your country, but come in year after year in the 40’s or even 50 when compared to other states.
Do you know Ireland is getting bigger? Yeah it’s because the people keep Dublin’….
Spalding,
Your ‘joke’ is worthy of a 6-year-old.
I don’t post as “Cat’s Eye” I post as Dreoilin. If you can’t type it, copy and paste it.
And I’ve already asked you to stop shouting.
Did you go to the CNN link? It wasn’t a CNN poll, but The National Geographic-Roper Public Affairs 2006 Geographic Literacy Study. It says that the study surveyed 510 young Americans from December 17 to January 20 2002.
It goes on to say,
When the poll was conducted in 2002, “Americans scored second to last on overall geographic knowledge, trailing Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan and Sweden”.
You can download the complete survey and report (PDF) here
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html
Oh, and you’ll find at that link that the findings presented are the results of a face-to-face survey (so no, it wasn’t done on the web.)
“Interviews were conducted among a nationwide representative sample of 510 adults age 18-24 in the continental United States. Data were weighted for sample balancing by sex and age. The margin of error for the total sample is +/- 4.4 percentage points at the 95 percent confidence level. The margin of error for subgroups is higher. Because of rounding, numbers may not total 100 percent.”
Are you happy now? Of course, for those of us on this side of the pond, the report doesn’t tell us anything much that we don’t know already.
“I don’t recall seeing large numbers of immigrants anywhere I went”
Were you here pre-1995 or pre-2000? Ireland has been a country of net emigration, for decades. We became a country of net immigration sometime after 1995. I believe that queues in Kerry often have more Nigerian people in them than Irish, these days.
But what have Somalis got to do with the survey that CNN reported? Are you suggesting that Somalis (or other immigrants) warped the results?
You can talk about methology all you want, but I still don’t see what the relative sizes of our countries have to do with anything. Of course a given % of 313 million is a bigger number than the same % of 6.4 million, but so what?
“Also take into consideration we have states here that the population bigger than your country, but come in year after year in the 40′s or even 50 when compared to other states.”
In the 40′s or even 50 what?
I strongly suspect that you believe that “might makes right”, Spalding.
And your reaction to Operation Gladio is very telling:
“I loved the motto: “In being silent I serve freedom”.”
Sure you did.
Do you believe in the concept of sovereign states, Spalding?
Here’s a little something for your amusement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OOUdeJqpt8s#!
Bill Maher: “This country is becoming a police state”
Correction
“It says that the study surveyed 510 young Americans from December 17 to January 20 2002.”
I believe that should be 2006.
Valuable information. Lucky me I discovered your web site accidentally,
and I am surprised why this coincidence didn’t came about in advance! I bookmarked it.
“And other interesting connections Uncle Ruslan has with US spooks”
Indeed Herbie. And Halliburton!
Boston bombers ‘Uncle Ruslan’ was Halliburton contractor
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/24/boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-was-halliburton-contractor/
The whole thing is a right can of worms …
Dreoilin; I posted the same thing on the lead thread, cuz I haz no respect for the topic, but you beat me to the punch. Cheers.
Not sure what thread you’re referring to, Ben, I think the lead thread may have changed. But no worries anyway!
Cheers
(need more coffee)
Dreoilin,
I know what your name is. I’m just too lazy to copy and paste (like most Americans). 2002 huh? A year before the Iraq invasion and just after 9/11…
I’m going to sign up to go into private security contracting. While I’m waiting I’m going to watch that Frontline documentary on the dancing boys of Afghanistan…. No their not child molester’s, and no opium isn’t the biggest crop shipped to Iran from further processing. Hey who’s still pumping out those super bills? Iran still has the printing press……
“An American lawyer asked, “Paddy, why is it that whenever you ask an Irishman a question, he answers with another question? “Who told you that?” asked Paddy.”
Wow, I had no idea:
“The alleged chief of staff of the Official Irish Republican Army, Seán Garland, was followed and seen traveling to Moscow and visiting the North Korean embassy along with some ex-KGB officers. Allegedly, Seán Garland then would, with the help of some associate couriers, move this money to the Irish capital Dublin and to Birmingham, England, where the notes would be exchanged for pounds or authentic dollars. His alleged scheme, involving several international crime syndicates and transactions worth millions of dollars, was uncovered after a tip-off. Garland was arrested in Belfast, Northern Ireland but fled south to the Republic of Ireland after being released for medical leave. On 21 December 2011, the Irish High Court dismissed the US application for Garland’s extradition, as the alleged offense took place in Ireland and was therefore not subject to extradition. The case was referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions to consider prosecution in Ireland.”
Of course the CIA could have also been involved:
“Doubt concerning the nature of these supernotes arose on January 10, 2008, in the McClatchy Washington Bureau. The article makes mention of the increasing doubt of testimonies and sources, and of the CIA’s involvement. Klaus Bender, an author of works on counterfeiting, claimed that the notes are of such high quality that they could only be produced by a government agency such as the CIA. This 2008 article also states that the United States no longer explicitly accuses the North Korean government of producing supernotes. However, this is no longer the case.”
There’s gotta be a cover up somewhere. Maybe the FBI is in on it too. Maybe they’re both working with Division 39!
“2002 huh? A year before the Iraq invasion and just after 9/11…”
Actually no, Balding, I corrected that. It was 2006.
I see you’ve dragged up an entirely new topic, since you can’t handle the research that CNN reported on. I’m not going to humour you. I’m finished on this thread.
I’m not looking to defend, it’s futile when it comes to you. I don’t want to change the subject, it was you who have done so since I commented. What I’m really looking for is a real conspiracy that at the very least has hard facts that can have enough evidence to be plausible.
Can you give me some? Or at least one?
The Op. Gladio isn’t really a conspiracy to me. It was formed during red paranoia. Just as Vietnam was a stupid proxy war we got into. And there was plenty of secret ops that went on there. What did they accomplish? What were we there for if our agenda was strictly imperialism? Did want want the rich rubber industry?
This current ‘conspiracy’ really doesn’t seem like one to me. It really shows that our federal agencies may have overlooked some things, and that co-ordination between local, state, and federal has some issues. There has been many of times I’ve wanted a nation wide police force like SAPS (S. African Police Service). However, that goes against the whole states rights issue. The FBI can only inject itself into a situation when the crimes affect ‘interstate commerce’ as that’s were the federal government has rights over the states. Otherwise, most of the time it’s smaller agencies asking for assistance. Our ‘watch list’ isn’t really all that when Ted Kennedy wasn’t allowed to fly.
Again, I really challenge you to show sufficient evidence that there has been a cover up to orchestrate a government agenda and what is net gain or intended gain of the government?
BTW, I was last in Ireland for the Summer of 2005. I was there for about 4 months. I don’t really recall any large immigrant population, but I wasn’t really looking. Also I’d take the Nigerians over the Somali’s any day. If I see another baby girl in a stroller wearing a hijab, or go to the market and have women in there cut in front of me with no respect for anyone else there, I’m going to run for office. And no, I’m not a republican.
How about Dremel? That’s a power tool it kind of fits you.
Bird of family Troglolytidae??
If anyone’s interested, more revelations from Daniel Hopsicker about ‘Uncle Ruslan’ and his Langley connections here-
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/29/uncle-ruslan-aid-to-terrorists-from-cia-officials-home/
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/26/have-we-got-the-privacy-safety-balance-right/?hpt=hp_bn2
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Breaking news according to BBC. Three other suspects arrested in Boston marathon bombings.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/01/three-additional-people-taken-into-custody-boston-marathon-bombings/dhLzU1e5vfbuhxyjWlBOSP/story.html
More suspects arrested but looks like it’s the wrong ones (just students). Methinks they should be looking among the security people so I’ll link this again.
http://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/19-year-old-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-still-had-backpack-after-boston-marathon-bombing-see-proof/
Also this, John, from Glenn Greenwald
Report: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s repeated requests for a lawyer were ignored
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/29/tsarnaev-right-to-counsel-denied