Cui Bono? Putin. The alleged actions of the Tsarnaev brothers are a massive setback to the cause of Chechen nationalism. The Russian government have been trying for a decade to conflate the repression of Chechen nationalism with the western construct of “the global war on terror”, with very limited diplomatic success. Now expect to hear continually about “Al Qaeda in the Southern Caucasus” in the next few years. Events in Boston have been a massive diplomatic coup for Putin.
In the late 1830’s, Palmerston launched a (disastrous) secret service operation to ship weapons to anti-Russian rebels in modern Chechnya and Dagestan. This was contributory to the tensions that caused the First Anglo-Afghan War, and will feature in my forthcoming biography of Alexander Burnes. For almost two hundred years now there has been covert Western encouragement of anti-Russian movements in the Caucasus – which is not to say that the West was involved in or encouraged the urban terrorist wing of the Chechen nationalist movement in modern times. But links between Chechen nationalists and the US government have been maintained, and there is no support whatsoever among any significant Chechen nationalist leadership for the Boston bombings.
I cannot recommend too highly “Darkness at Dawn” by David Satter, a book which is crucial to an understanding of a key part of the modern world. Satter sets out an extremely strong case, from eyewitness interviews at the time, that The “Chechen” apartment bombings which paid such a crucial part in building the cult of Putin, were false flag – something which the British Embassy in Moscow also strongly inclined to believe. There is a history of false Chechen bombings being very helpful to Putin. These bombings are very helpful to Putin.
It is perfectly possible that this is not relevant at all, and the Tsarnaev brothers became radicalised in the United States by real, and non-Chechen related, terrorists, or simply auto-radicalised. But presuming the Tsarnaevs really did plant these bombs, just who was ultimately pulling the strings and why may be an extremely complex question – and one to which young Dzokhar Tsarnaev is most unlikely to know the real answer.
He was radicalized in…less than a year?
At the Cambridge mosque near where the bombing suspects lived, two worshipers who showed up for Saturday’s prayer service recalled seeing both men.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev was thrown out of the mosque — the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center — about three months ago, after he stood up and shouted at the imam during a Friday prayer service, they said. The imam had held up slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. as an example of a man to emulate, recalled one worshiper who would give his name only as Muhammad.
Enraged, Tamerlan stood up and began shouting, Muhammad said.
“You cannot mention this guy because he’s not a Muslim!” Muhammad recalled Tamerlan shouting, shocking others in attendance.
“He’s crazy to me,” Muhammad said. “He had an anger inside.… I can’t explain what was in his mind.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..full.story
Ben Franklin 4.48 p.m. Your link has something missing.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombing-suspect-radical-fbi-20130420,0,4341067.story
9/11 evidence can be somewhat difficult, but there are two curious things: 1) the extent to which questioning is so taboo and 2) Tower 7.
Tower 7 is mind boggling.
Interesting post Ben @4:48pm – although the link has now expired. Of course British intelligence services had neither HCT HUMINT centric or any AO reliable informant intelligence sharing traffic on these two Boston brothers; another ATF bum steer!
Kenneth E. Melson, and Dennis Burke both oversaw the ATF Fast and Furious program, in which ATF agents purposely allowed weapons to be illegally purchased in the hope of catching Mexican drug cartel leaders. Just screw the Border Patrol Academy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57559582/brian-terry-family-sues-atf-officials-in-fast-and-furious/
Our SIS case officers are in the loop for the supply of sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons to terrorists engaged against government forces in Syria,together with a chemical weapons sting operation, both illegal ATF operations. It sucks and very few Americans care, one way or another.
I care. With covert help these ‘black bag’ operations and ATF, DOJ, DEA, FBI, ICE, and DHS involvement will be laid bare, visible to public scrutiny and investigations demanded.
Yes, Mark.
I blame Putin. Hopefully this link works.http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvdagestan.info%2F
Statement in connection with the events in Boston (USA)
“After the events in Boston (USA) in the press reported that one of the brothers Tsarnaevyh in 2012 for 6 months in Dagestan. On this basis the speculative assumption that he may have been associated with the Mujahideen of the Caucasus Emirate, in particular, the Mujahideen of Dagestan.
Vilayat Dagestan command in this regard indicates that the Caucasian Mujahideen are not fighting with the United States of America. We are at war with Russia, which is not only responsible for the occupation of the Caucasus, but also for the heinous crimes against Muslims.
Also, remember that even in respect of an enemy state Russia, which is fighting the Caucasus Emirate Emir valid order Doku Umarov, which prohibits strikes on civilian targets.
In this regard, the command of the Mujahideen Vilayat Dagestan calls primarily American media to stop speculating and promote Russian propaganda.
If the U.S. government is really interested in establishing the true organizers of explosions in Boston, and are not complicit in Russian play, then they should focus on involvement in the events occurring Russian special services.’
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Being questioned by the feebs, on the basis of being slightly ‘foreign’ looking, on account of their assigned religious label or their place of birth -alone might have sparked their radicalisation. Most people are indifferent to the forces of the law at its most feral, until they have any contact with them, in the conduct of their ordinary quite legitimate activities, or defending themselves, safeguarding their homes or property, as potential and actual victims of, not perpetrators of crime, often by police inaction as with wrongful presumption of guilt or undue credence given malicious accusations of wrong-doing, selectivity, not to mention casual police violence in custody situations, often exceeding by far the original alleged ‘crime’. The outcome for most people is the collapse of their former regard both for the institution and the individuals, from which there is no going back to that former happy indifference and trust.
Radicalisation is the only alternative to a future of powerlessness and unending fear.
Cryptonym; The narrative unfolding is that the elder brother may have been a control-freak who bullied his younger sibling.
Family and friends emerging say he was constantly angry. He was arrested for domestic violence against his gf. That he was radicalized seems to auger well for his state of mind. Don’t know what, specifically, he had a bun about, but anger has many fathers. Just sayin’.
I’m no fan of Alex Jones, but this is interesting:
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-police-confirm-infowars-photos-of-boston-suspects/
I wonder if the mainstream media will go near this? Check out The Craft for yourself. A scary bunch. Their founder was shot dead in February by an Afghan veteran.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14830
“Some men just want to watch the world burn” DARK KNIGHT (2008)
‘Reuters: West Fertilizer plant didn’t disclose ammonium nitrate stores’
“Reuters reports this morning that West Fertilizer stored more than a thousand times more than the reporting level of ammonium nitrate, a key ingredient in both fertilizer and certain types of bombs, without disclosing it as required to the Department of Homeland Security”
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/04/20/reuters-west-fertilizer-plant-didnt-disclose-ammonium-nitrate-stores/
I have also read – but can’t find the source – that water shouldn’t be used on a fire at such a facility because of the risk of explosion.
And water was used, before the massive explosion happened.
After I had read the initial report, Channel 4 showed the safety procedure card that ‘first responders’ are supposed to refer to, with fires at chemical plants. And I saw the warning about not using water with fires where certain substances are involved. I can’t swear that ammonium nitrate was listed but I thought it was.
Dreoilin; The plant hasn’t been inspected by OSHA since 1985. Our betters, know better about fiscal responsibility.
It’s very sad, Ben. It seems as if all those deaths (and destruction) could have been prevented.
Suhayl,
Good to have ye back bro…:.)
I’ve missed your wisdom.
False flag 101
I add to this thread – but posted it above before:-
http://www.globalresearch.ca/boston-suspect-arrested-stripped-naked-so-when-was-he-shot-and-killed/5332316
So without conjecture.
A. There are two(2) brothers – and these have been the focal point of attention as the mass media has been reminding us ever since the Boston bombing.
B. We remove one brother from the equation (i.e. since he is arrested – in custody – no longer a threat). So – we now go to:-
C. That leaves one (1) brother we know to have been shot ( under what circumstances we have yet to ascertain – but he is shot and now in critical condition). So, we can both reason that what we saw on the video footage was footage of the one that was killed – not the one shot and left in critical condition.
Surely, if a man is already in custody and alive – then when was he shot?
Simple question.
Thanks, Jives.
Re. Waco: Ammonium nitrate is extremely soluble, so water can be used to control a fire. But not a water jet…
“Do not use water jet. Use flooding quantities of water.”
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927336
It’s a little bit less predictable than the MSDS suggests, though. Personally, I wouldn’t store tons of it in a bulk container (in a hot climate) anywhere near habitation. But that’s the American Way, I guess.
Re. Boston: must admit I think that Putin is at least as likely as a jihadi group to be complicit in this. And then again, the lads could simply have become alienated on there own:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/04/russian-politics-0
Pace Craig, I don’t think any purpose is served by speculating on the basis of nil, or contradictory evidence. However, I can see that a little resentment might be engendered by foreigners blowing up people who were simply minding their own business….
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2013/04/11/secret-us-documents-show-brennans-no-civilian-drone-deaths-claim-was-false/
“just who was ultimately pulling the strings and why may be an extremely complex question – and one to which young Dzokhar Tsarnaev is most unlikely to know the real answer.” — Craig
Sky News cut in with “breaking news” from Boston yesterday. They said that the hospital had issued a statement that Dzokhar Tsarnaev was not fit to be questioned.
Sky News also said that the Mayor had announced that he may *never* be fit for questioning.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/21/boston-marathon-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-injuries
I’m wondering exactly how these brothers were treated by ‘law enforcement officers’ after they were apprehended.
The older brother was supposed to have been killed in the gunfight the brothers had with police officers (before the younger brother drove an SUV straight at the police cordon and got away – which led to the lockdown and manhunt) but as Courtenay points out, there is also footage of a naked guy in handcuffs being put into a car – and this guy was also said to be the older brother.
There is also a picture (grisly) on the internet of the older brother that someone took post post-mortem – it’s here
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/tamerlan-tsarnaev-post-mortem-photo-478612
The egg-shaped thing is obscuring a massive gash in his side, and he looks ( to me) badly beaten around the face and neck.
As for the 19 year old Dzokhar who was hiding in the boat, the owner of the boat has said it now resembles swiss cheese. It seems that they riddled it with bullets either before or after they lifted the tarpaulin with a robotic arm. Now it appears that he was shot in the throat.
“Ammonium nitrate is extremely soluble, so water can be used to control a fire. But not a water jet…”
Thanks, Komodo
http://rt.com/op-edge/boston-suspect-russia-chechnya-154/
This interview with Sibel Edmonds is illuminating. Although Craig knows plenty about US intelligence links with Chechen terrorism, he chooses to answer the “Cui Bono?” question with “Putin”, while Edmonds, a highly respected American whistleblower, delves deeper.
“We all have to really look at the timing of this, because again the US media is portraying this incident by itself. It’s not putting it in the context of things that have been happening in the past – let’s say one year so – or recent stuff – we had this case of NGOs being shut down by the Russian government, which was a very smart move, because we know that the majority of these NGOs have CIA agendas, as they’re operated and managed by CIA people. And this is one way of infiltrating Russia by the US government, the CIA. And on the other hand, from this side, we had the 12 individuals from Russia, and what the US has done.
So, if you start putting these in context and also add the fact that RUSSIA HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE FOR THE UNITED STATES TO GET IN AND DIRECTLY ATTACK SYRIA – that’s when you start to see the bigger picture and that’s what the people should be paying attention to. And as far as the perception, up until recently you had individuals like Bolton, Armitage… in a group called The Friends of Chechnya, and they have been around for a while. Again, the false information that is being put forth by US media is that since the fall of the Soviet Union the United States has refrained from intervening in the Russia-Chechnya situation. And that is purely false. Since mid-1990’s, the US directly, or through Turkey has been arming, training, managing, orchestrating not only Chechens but also other factions in the region – and we are looking at Central Asia and the Caucasus. And of course the Russian government is fully aware of this.”
“Alternative media has been waiting and reporting on this for years – the US operations in the region against Russia. And we are kind of puzzled in terms of the silence from the Russian government, because the FSB at any given moment can put out a lot of information that would expose the fact that WE ACTUALLY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF CREATING TERRORISTS AND BRINGING ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE REGION, AS WE HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES IN THE MIDDLE EAST, but especially since the fall of the Soviet Union – in Central Asia and the Caucasus. And again, there are tons of facts backing this up and there is much more in the hands of the Russian government, and I think this is a pretty good opportunity for some of this information to come out and enlighten the American public here in the United States.”
I’m sorry to have to say this, Craig, but I used to have high hopes that you would speak as clearly as Sibel does here.
Your “which is not to say that the West was involved in or encouraged the urban terrorist wing of the Chechen nationalist movement in modern times” is disingenuous. Foreign Office training, no doubt.
…Bolton, Armitage…Friends of Chechnya, and another terrorist state it seems I am not at liberty to mention? Where have I seen those names before? Oh, yes. Check the signatories of this. Such a parcel of rogues in a nation.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
Quite like old times.
Samenleving
Craig is like this because of his foreign Office filtered sources, not his own instincts or training. If he finds corroborated evidence of wrong-doing he is the first to go nuclear with his information.
Russia does not need covert messages from acts of terror in my opinion. She is in the game called the Zionist New World Order, on the same side, and desperate to be allowed to leave its place as goalie for capitalism and play as striker/forward.
The US, UK and world populations have to be firmly instructed by the powers that be who are flexing their muscles in the Arab Spring, that they/we are less than spectators, less than blades of plastic grass on the playing field, which at least blow independently in the wind.
We can be attacked by USUKISRUSSCHINEUROSAUDIQATAR terrorism by their mercenary zombies even we are celebrating a fitness-fest like running a marathon. The message is for us: prepare to be utterly and completely enslaved, in your houses, in your leisure activities, in your beds and even in your dreams by combined fascism of Capitalist/communist, Zio-Islamo-fascism.
It reminds me of a leaflet that came through my door this morning from a quack Sufi which joined the rest of his ads as a paper dart: The Shake can rid you of all magic, and even expose the person who is doing the magic, in front of your very eyes.
We have to ignore this open defiance of our intelligence. The terror was executed by agents of the ZNWO. They made us the people conspirators by doing it openly under our very nose.
In 1830′s, Palmerston; In 1940`s Gerhard von Mende`s “Fifth Columnists” project prodused even more disastrous consequences.
The claim that the Moscow apartment bombings were a false flag has always been suspicious. Someone finds bags labelled sugar in a place they expect to find ammunition, then find out that it is explosive after they make tea with it? That story sounds completely made up because no human would ever go that far without a smell/eye/taste test.
Anyway, the Boston bombings won’t benefit Putin in any way. The media is already carefully trying to separate the two men from Chechnya’s extremists, insisting that they would only attack Russians and that Americans should not worry. On Washington Post’s website they posted a song from a folk singing “freedom fighter” in their most romanticized way, apparently unaware that the lyrics also mentioned reclaiming Jerusalem and destroying Israel.
PIT-TROLLS!
Not your hasbara Habba volunteers, but Political Islamist Terrorist Trolls, not happy with freedom of speech, opinion and religious belief being exercised on CM’s blog.
Why is it that, when William Hague goes on air to sweep the floor with crocodile tears about Assad killing 100 civilians, my instant reaction to this professionally-ascendant addicted liar, who lied all the way through the ZNWO Libya campaign, is to believe the opposite, that he is shilling for his Al-Qaida pets who love to bring the people who are under their USUKIS-licensed power under full control by slaughtering them if they don’t do what they’re told?
100s die everyday in Syria, so why the Cheshire tiger be mentioning this incident if not to pour black smoke over it with his normal full-front lies? If they are capable of recruiting young Muslims and setting them up with the wherewithall to make explosions and defend themselves at the Boston marathon, are they not capable of posting a Bruce Forsyth charm offensive to the BBC to assist his mercenary over-zealous proteges?
Oldie but goody. How the neocons responded to the Chechen war –
…in the US, the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled “distinguished Americans” who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusastically support the “war on terror”.
They include Richard Perle, the notorious Pentagon adviser; Elliott Abrams of Iran-Contra fame; Kenneth Adelman, the former US ambassador to the UN who egged on the invasion of Iraq by predicting it would be “a cakewalk”; Midge Decter, biographer of Donald Rumsfeld and a director of the rightwing Heritage Foundation; Frank Gaffney of the militarist Centre for Security Policy; Bruce Jackson, former US military intelligence officer and one-time vice-president of Lockheed Martin, now president of the US Committee on Nato; Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute, a former admirer of Italian fascism and now a leading proponent of regime change in Iran; and R James Woolsey, the former CIA director who is one of the leading cheerleaders behind George Bush’s plans to re-model the Muslim world along pro-US lines. (2004)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/08/usa.russia
Craig rattling his cage?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-boston-bombings-and-the-fbi-official-tsarnaev-story-makes-no-sense/5332535
Despite ongoing attempts, the complete and utter failure so far of US and it’s agents to orchestrate on the ground in Syria, a solution that maintains existing institutions and security apparatus. As a result of this ongoing failure the US has joined forces together with Russia to prevent the rise of an independent state from emerging in the Sham region. With this context in mind, the two countries security agencies have begun a new level of cooperation as part of a deal that has been struck to undermine future challenges.
“It’s hard not to suspect that the only thing distinguishing the Boston attack from Tucson, Aurora, Sandy Hook and Columbine (to say nothing of the US “shock and awe” attack on Baghdad and the mass killings in Fallujah) is that the accused Boston attackers are Muslim and the other perpetrators are not.”
Glenn Greenwald (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/22/boston-marathon-terrorism-aurora-sandy-hook ) is right.
Craig – you wrote “It is perfectly possible that this is not relevant at all, and the Tsarnaev brothers became radicalised in the United States by real, and non-Chechen related, terrorists, or simply auto-radicalised.”
Which seems to indicate that you share the same cast of mind as US officialdom and the corporate media.
In your desire to denigrate Putin and promote sympathy for the moderate anti-Russian nationalism of the peoples of the Central Asian states, you are underplaying the long-term intrigues of Western intelligence agencies with the ISLAM practised there.
Tell us what you know about Fethullah Gulen and his $25 billion, CIA-supported, Islamic network, whose teachers of English hold US diplomatic passports.
Tell us what you know about the deep-state Turkish relationship with NATO, and the criminals and right-wing organisations that are integral to it.
If the White House, FBI, and the mainstream media are shouting “Checheniya and Islamist terrorism”, then you could help us by focusing our attention on the State Dept/CIA/NATO involvement in Central Asia – an involvement which clearly has far more to do with the Tsarnaev brothers (who lived in the USA, and whose religion in their country of birth is being monitored and manipulated through CIA-proxy Gulen) than it does with Russia’s FSB or Putin.