The shocking death of Lee Rigby quite naturally appals us all. The intention of the crazed little group who conceived this killing was to make it as horrible as possible in order to scare people.
Horrible, sociopathic violence happens to people from time to time. They have done since Cain killed Abel, metaphorically or literally as you choose. Here is another headline today, just as horrific:
A British soldier has been jailed for stabbing a 10-year-old boy after getting drunk on vodka while serving in Afghanistan.
Both that obscene attack and Michael Adebolajo’s appalling actions are borne out of the same conflict. But it is reasonable to suppose that both these incidents involved people with, for whatever reason, a pre-disposition to murderous violence.
Such people have always been with us and will always be with us, but fortunately they are very, very few. In a nation of 60 million, involvement in violent crime is very low. If you are the victim of criminal violence, the odds over the last decade are about one in twenty thousand that the violence inflicted on you will have any linkage to political or terrorist causation. And the odds that you will suffer any kind of violent attack are thankfully pretty remote.
We should not panic from theatrical violence, just deplore and take sober stock. Sadly if a lunatic on the bus decides to strangle you tomorrow, there are no pre-emptive laws that can stop that. We should stop pretending that the state can always prevent.
Re the Habbu-Clown, not only are almost all of his posts adding nothing to the topics, not only are almost all his posts deliberately designed to derail, not only are almost all of his posts offensive attacks on other Posters, not only are almost all of his posts shameless bullying of another Poster, but now, despite his trademark Clownishess, he is getting very, very boring; in ancient Athens, to safeguard anybody potentially corrupting their democracy, they developed the system of Ostracization, and I think to safeguard against the continous swamping of this Blog with his tedious nonsense, perhaps a similar system should be used here;
I (Macky) nominated the Poster “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)” for expulsion from this Blog.
Those who agree, I would suggest that they cut & paste this, adding their name after mine, and including in all their Posts, and maybe with enough names, eventually Craig or Jon, who have banned others for less, will be persuaded enough to comply to the request.
@Jesuit Atheist, not sure if this an actual anomalie, but according to this witness, gunshots were the first thing he heard, so was the victim killed by gunfire ? Not seen this posibilty mentioned anywhere;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMm_uu6lhA
@ Doug Scorgie, I know it’s hard, but you really should give the Clown the satisfaction of letting him get under your skin.
Correction:
@ Doug Scorgie, I know it’s hard, but you really should NOT give the Clown the satisfaction of letting him get under your skin.
Double correction;
Correction:
@ Doug Scorgie, I know it’s hard, but you really should NOT give the Clown the satisfaction of letting him get under your skin.
************I (Macky) nominated the Poster “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)” for expulsion from this Blog.*******************
@Macky – just set an example by not responding to the poster, and hope other people will follow. Sadly, the history here suggests few people will, but at least you won’t get wound up.
Even if all the good people did take such an approach, the entity would probably continue posting, and some new people who might otherwise involve themselves here with good intentions, but who haven’t got the time to work out what’s going on, will stay away. Sad. But we can’t have everything. Cede a bit of territory to the enemy, but keep him out of some other bit of territory. At least something will have been achieved.
And who ever said that posting little bits in the comments sections after someone else has posted a mini-essay to their web log was a perfect medium for the good guys, anyway, in our heroic quest to achieve our worthy goals? 🙂
The internet stinks. Sad but true.
“just set an example by not responding to the poster, and hope other people will follow. Sadly, the history here suggests few people will, but at least you won’t get wound up.”
I gave up responding to the Habbu-Clown as soon it was apparent that he was not interested in honest debate, and that only took an initial exchange of three Posts !
It just seems unfair that Tony was once banned for nonsense posting, whereas the Habbu-Clown’s agenda driven, offensive venom dripping, nonsense is tolerated .
************I (Macky) nominated the Poster “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)” for expulsion from this Blog.******************
A little sunshine and some blue sky and all the neighbours are out with their power tools, lawn mower, lawn rake!, hedgetrimmer, strimmer etc. What a racket.
Came indoors and found BBC Click programme running a +two minute Microsoft ad for their new X Box One. Unbelievable.
…and
Blairagent Cameron was somewhere else during theBostonLondon ax. This aberrant spectacle with emphasis on the macabre has accomplished the intended geo-political thread of hate. Hate motivates. Expect another assault on Syria before the turrets turn towards Iran.Macky LOL If I said yes to banning (which Craig has said he cannot do anyway) I would never hear the end of it. I have already been told that I asked for him to be banned although I cannot remember ever making such a request. If thoughts were deeds though…..
I was feeling rather sorry for him the other day, when he had been missing for a couple of days, for being a sad little figure on the outside looking in. Would giving him a virtual group hug have any effect? Probably not.
What a stench.
Woolwich suspect’s friend arrested after appearing on Newsnight
Man detained after claiming on television that Michael Adebolajo was tortured in Kenya and harassed by MI5 agents
Conal Urquhart and Vikram Dodd
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 25 May 2013 01.01 BST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/25/woolwich-suspect-kenya-torture
‘Asked about the unusual sequence of events leading to the arrest, the Metropolitan police said: “He was not arrested because of his comments on Newsnight.”
The police would not say what led to his arrest, which BBC insiders said had left them shocked. Police also said he was not arrested in connection to the murder of Lee Rigby. Nusaybah’s home is understood to be one of two addresses in east London being searched by officers after his arrest.’
“I was feeling rather sorry for him the other day”
That’s a bit worrying, I do hope you are not coming down with same sort of Stockholm syndrome !!
Re “What a stench”, yes I agree, and what noticeable is that the constant harassment & probably blackmailing pressure to turn into a MI5 informer, which may possibly have lead or have been a contributing factor to the murder in Woolwich, is now being passed-over by the MSM, as acceptable & understandable tactics, that are part of the everyday job of the Security Services; so it’s ok to be hounded to enough to commit drastic actions like suicide or murder ? !
************I (Macky) nominate the Poster “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)” for expulsion from this Blog.******************
Jemand
‘Yes, inherently violent but not neccessarily disposed to gratuitous acts of violence when non-violent alternatives are clearly expedient.’
No. Get it right please. Not inherently violent and totally against gratuitous acts of violence, but ready to use the threat of violence against threats of violence, and to use violence against acts of violence.
The statements of UKUSIS leaders for example by Obama claiming that drones are legal and only used in self-defence are in fact threats of violence because of their record. The statement of Assad that he will negotiate is in fact a threat of violence because of his record. These threats are currently being responded to in like manner by Muslims, as in Woolwich this week. If Cameron or Assad don’t like it, they know what to do.
If you try to take these incidents out of the context of the record of previous violence, they look as though they are out of order.
The UK will never get its economy sorted out until its rectifies its very basic spiritual problem, that it instantly forgets all the bad things it does to others while remembering all the bad things that causes other people to do.
@April Showers – Are you going to follow up on the Rosemary Hollis idea? She might have been at a talk or meeting in the barracks. If you want to run with this possibility, can you maybe post two images somewhere so people can compare? (Is Rosemary related to Roger? But I digress. She probably is.)
Helston seems a bit too far to commute to Morwenstow (Bude) from.
If you’re looking into Loyau-Kennett, you have probably come as far as her son Basil-William Baradaran-Mozaffari (aka Basil Baradaran) and probable daughter Pawony-Sepideh Baradaran-Mozaffari (aka Pawony Baradaran-Mozaffari). BB speaks English, French, and Japanese. He went to school in New Zealand. Pawony’s also got NZ interests. I wonder what the story is with all the name barrels.
BB says “Everyone has opinions. But my mother has only Facts” (16 May), which is pretty much what I thought was the case! After the event (22 May), we get “My mum is a motherfucking badass”. Foulmouthed disrespectful little fucker! (joke!) Bit annoying that he writes in US English and at the same time calls London “my town” though. But hell, he’s wetter than a fish behind his ears. Let’s cut him some slack, for goodness sake!
I haven’t found anything particularly suspicious with ILK, although would like to know about the names. Only the birthday thing makes me raise my eyebrows a few millimetres, because it’s the oldest lie in the book to explain why a person is in a place or doing something. Comes up all the time, among people who are total crap at making up reasons and legends. She says she was in London for Basil’s 23rd birthday. On 14 May he asked what people were buying for his birthday. She’s probably legit. I’d be interested to know exactly when his birthday is, though. Don’t know how to get UK BMD info free for after 1984, and in any case, birth might have been in NZ or elsewhere. Haven’t checked Facebook. That’s where I draw the line – don’t want to let those bastards’ foul hands inside my computer. Both Basil and Pawony have got FB pages. Very rare for a youngster to have the sense not to, so I’m told. If you told ’em FB was set up by the CIA, the info would probably go in one ear and out the other! \rant
April
“Repeat lies often enough and they become truths.”
No they are lies for ever and ever – the volume just increases.
Oh for goodness sake, N at 12:45pm. People who have names that are not entirely ‘John Smith’ are somehow suspicious partly on account of that? People come to London from all over the world. Some of the names sound Iranian/ Bahai/ Chaldean? Anyway, this prying into people’s affairs, birthday presents, etc. – isn’t it a little off? Yes, I know it’s on a social media site. But it’s hardly relevant politically.
@Macky – OK, apologies, but I didn’t mean just responding directly to the entity itself. You are still wasting time crafting detailed, well-written and considered posts about its efforts. It’s a fixture here. Go round it. I know you’re trying to stop it being here, but you won’t succeed. Even if it gets banned, which it won’t, it will come back in some other form. Better the spook you know. Cede some territory. I’ve got a big perfectionist streak too. Question of who’s in control – me or it! 🙂
@April Showers
“We had a rather useless physics teacher and I can’t remember what it was that someone said that made her cry. I still feel shame that I, as a fourteen year old, went along with the class and did not speak up for her.”
“Did the Lt Col mean to imply that the deceased soldier was a talented and experienced machine gunner. Should he have used different adjectives for the musical and the military professions?
Lieutenant Colonel Jim Taylor MBE, Commanding Officer Second Fusiliers, described Rigby as “an experienced and talented side drummer and machine gunner, he was a true warrior and served with distinction in Afghanistan, Germany and Cyprus.”
Clearly not enough shame to avoid making jokes at the expense of someone who has just lost one of his colleagues however.
And before Mary wishes to bleat about persection perhaps she might wish to reflect about the volumes of insults, accusations, amateur psychoanalysis (which of course was one of the favoured techniques that the Soviets had for dealing with those with whom they disagreed) that have been thrown at myself and Habba and others who disagree with the prevailing group here (the evidence is there for all too see).
Simply put you mean the haters, ought to carry on hating, and Muslims ought to take it like a man! Because these Muslims are crazy bastards who have made themselves to believe all their problems are caused by outsiders.
Well Sherlock, as we speak, US/UK/Nato/Anyone with a musket have been attacking; Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Somalia, etc (overt attacks), then there is the Dronenings and covert attacks, kidnappings, renditions, etc. Obviously those crazy Muslims have no grounds for thinking outsiders have been causing their problems! You then follow your attack and go off on macro politics accusing the Muslims of shoe horning outsiders to rule over the Muslims. Evidently these Muslims cant do right for doing wrong, so far as you are concerned.
Apart from being crazy these Muslims are bad Muslims too, because they have dishonoured Islam, you say. As well as waxing lyrical about these bad Muslims blaming others, because it is so easy to do so in all religions as you put it. Then concluding in their perceived God-given right to “take advantage of the heirs of the Western oppressors” (grinding away one’s own axe).
Then citing a racist fuckwit as “someone in German”, whose raison d’etre for appearing on this board is to pour bile and hatred against all things Muslim, and add: He is hopefully wrong, because Islam is spread by good invitation before violence and good invitation is not happening.. This clearly indicating your own doubts about these “fucking Muslims”, and their propensity to violence.
Well sherlock, you find and show me where I denied; that the Nigerians were Muslim at all. It was others wot done it.. As for the rest of this paragraph WTF clause applies.
Is it not the given that all those without power, have to obey those with power? So why single out Muslims and emphasis their subservience. Although it should be highlighted this particular view runs contrary against principles of Islam because the only entity to be obeyed (feared) is Allah and nothing else.
I don’t want to be hard on you, but your kind of Muslim bashing is no different to that of the racist fuckwits as (someone in German), the EDL and BNP thugs, inciting hatred and decisive rhetoric only serves to further the cause of those who find ruling we the people can be far more easier through dividing us so that these predatory plutocrats then can prey on us far too easily, without a great deal of effort or any possibility of getting kicked back in the process. Further, you ought to understand hate is a weapon of those intent on to dehumanise their target population with a view to destruction of the target population, and or application of violence upon the target group.
What is the difference between your assertions and the assertions of the EDL/BNP fuckwits? You tell me Guano?
It is not Rosemary Hollis. It is Sally Lievesley – similar. She is on this video which is of the same interview with Ingrid but extended. Almost there as a minder? It was ITV who had the first footage out which went all over the shop.
I was acting on instinct. 6.02 mins
http://www.itv.com/daybreak/hottopics/woolwich-murder/#
Are those names of Ingrid’s children for real. I thought you were making them up!
Lievesley http://www.newrisk.com/drsallyleivesley.html
Suhayl – there are probable connections with a lot of different countries there. Just said I was interested. Nothing wrong with that, surely? For what it’s worth, my surname isn’t British either. I’m only using public sources, and my feeling at the moment is that she is legit, and that the British authorities started using her only after the event. I’m not sure how you are using the word ‘suspicious’. There is a possibility that she is not legit, and if so, that would be very interesting. I’m researching that possibility; that’s all.
BTW, didn’t you mention Corinne Souza some time? She’s one of my favourite writers. She goes places no other writer about British spookery goes. To take an example, the role of Gabbitas Thring. Or how SIS officers help, or stitch up, the life courses of each other’s sons. Have you got any thoughts on what Richard Moir, who lives with Corinne Souza and has a business relationship with her, is up to with the British-Uzbek Society? He and the BUS seem to be very welcome at the Karimov regime’s embassy in London.
It was not a joke about drummer/machine gunner. Talented/ experienced. Work it out.
PS A troll is a troll is a troll.
Can anyone please help me to understand: Why Rebecca Rigby the estranged wife of Lee Rigby should have been present in the press conference, crying away without so much as an an apparent tear?
PS. Lee was fretting for his girlfriend who is serving in Afghanistan.
@April – yes, the names are for real 🙂 Basil is her son; Pawony is very probably her daughter, but I haven’t nailed that down 100% yet.
Suhayl
You make a good point about how the main impetus for dealing with Islamism within the UK needs to come from within the Moslem community itself – just as it is the main responsibility of rest of us to deal with racism of the EDL and the BNP, and indeed its more gentile version within UKIP and other parties.
I am not sure that is is correct to say that the jihadis have a pact to ignore the Saudis however since they have a long record of activities against that regime. Yes, they may both sprout from the same branch of Islam – but I’m afraid that it is a common feature of most religous zealotry that the greatest fervour is often saved for those apostates who have just diverted from the “true path”. Exactly, the same feature can be seen within Christianity e.g. where the Catholis inquisition targeted not only Jews but Christian splinter sects such as the Albigenesians. Perhaps what Jemand fails to appreciate is that we have already had such a long phase within British history when it was evntually recognised after many years that the best guarantee of peace and progress and religous freedom was an increasingly secular state – so I have my doubts as to whether we will ever accept a repeat dose with Islam or any other religion for that matter.
April Showers
How do you think Jim Taylor would feel about what you said? Do you care?
Suhayl: This horrendous, one-off event aside, I think that after 35 years of funding and preaching the Wahabis have made remarkably little impact on the population, don’t you? Sanity as usual from the extremely popular Mash:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/men-in-balaclavas-offer-soothing-prospect-of-war-2013052369728
Jemand: your ‘questions’ have already been answered. The ‘Islamifiction’ of this country consists of under 5 in a hundred people being Muslim. You have answered no questions put to you. Repeating your fears in public may make you feel better; but since you have no facts and no evidence, apart from various equally scared people’s opinions, they aren’t really getting you anywhere. Imagine what your life would be like if you could lose your terrors. Boring? Then I suggest you start contemplating more positive ways of exciting your adrenalin. Parkour, for example.
Otherwise, if people are going to start objecting to insults; they might do so even-handedly.
“While the transformation of Britain into an Islamic society will be a painful one, I do not anticipate a precipitous revolutionary conversion – it will take place over the remainder of this century.”
LOL, ridiculous. Funny how people who claim to be strict Moslems also make perfect agent provocateurs for the authorities they claim to despise. I’m beginning to suspect all these ‘radical Moslems’ are manufactured fakes. Every Moslem I know finds these ‘radicals’ just as ridiculous as I do.
“Otherwise, if people are going to start objecting to insults; they might do so even-handedly.”
Well said.
I loved the title the Mash put on the pic of EDL guys in balaclavas: “Fat Ninjas”.
“I think that after 35 years of funding and preaching the Wahabis have made remarkably little impact on the population, don’t you?” Technicolour, 1:34pm, today.
Sadly, they – Wahabism (or whatever one wants to call it)/Salafism/Islamism/Deobandism and the various combinations of all of these – have made, and continue to make, an enormous and profound impact on many Muslims in the UK and elsewhere. They have changed the goalposts and the pitch. They now define the terms, the parameters of the discourse. They have been extremely successful. This 35-year reactionary victory is an immense tragedy, and it is a tragedy mainly for Muslim people. For progressive people in Pakistan, for example, this is the major struggle at the moment. And in Europe, people like Tariq Ramadan and Qaradawi, for example, are NOT progressive but they seem to be viewed as such – that is an illustration of how distorted the political landscape has become.
N, at 1:12pm, thanks.
I agree with you wrt Corinne’s writings and spookery. I didn’t know about the British-Uzbek Society. Hmn. Curiouser and curiouser.
Resident Dissident, 1:23pm: Thanks, good points.
“Can anyone please help me to understand: Why Rebecca Rigby the estranged wife of Lee Rigby should have been present in the press conference, crying away without so much as an an apparent tear?”
Kind off like Mick and Mairead Philpott, who behaved in the same manner at a press conference. It turns out they were lying their heads off about killing their own kids. After the trial many behavioural experts said they suspected they were guilty just from seeing their behaviour in the press conference.
Fedup 1.13pm You confirm what I thought I had heard about a girlfriend in Afghanistan but dismissed it seeing and hearing the distraught wife. There is so much that is not right in this event.