Quite simply I do not believe the US, UK and French government’s assertion that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against rebels “multiple times in small quantities”. Why on earth would they do that? The claim that “up to 150 people have died” spread over a number of incidents makes no sense at all. In a civil war when tens of thousands of people have died, where all sides have been guilty of massacres of scores at a time, I cannot conceive of any motive for killing a dozen or so at any one time with the odd chemical shell. It makes no military sense – chemical weapons are designed for use against population centres and massed armies. They are not precision weapons for deployment against small groups.
Why on earth would the Assad regime use a tiny amount of chemical weapons against tiny groups of rebels, knowing the West would use it as an excuse to start bombing? It makes no sense whatsoever. Cui bono?
The Russians have described the evidence as fabricated, and on this one I am with the Russians.
It is of course no coincidence that this humanitarian motive to start bombing Syria arises just as the tide of war turned against the rebels, and the government forces are about to move on Aleppo. I suspect now we will see massive NATO force intervention, with huge air to ground destruction of the government forces all over the country to “defend” Aleppo, just as we saw hundreds of thousands killed and whole cities destroyed in Libya to “defend” Benghazi. Whose people showed their gratitude by murdering the US Ambassador.
It is a further fascinating coincidence that this coordinated western switch of policy happens immediately after the Bilderberg conference. An analysis of which of the corporate interests there stand to gain in Syria might be a fascinating exercise.
There were two main reasons the tide of war turned against the rebels. Firstly, Hizbollah’s decision to enter the war on a large scale was provoked by the Israeli Air Force’s massive attack around Damascus, a fact the mainstream media has managed to hide completely. Secondly, at Turkish urging, the rebel forces had diverted much of their energies to attacking the Syrian kurds. This opens the interesting question of what the American client Kurds of Iraq will make of their patron sponsoring the massacre of their brethren in Syria.
Finally, chemical weapons are a terrible thing and their use should be condemned unreservedly. But where was all this Western outrage and activity when the Israelis were pouring down white phosphorous and kicking and maiming thousands of women and children in Gaza?
A quarter of the federal budget goes to the Pentagon. War is business.
Everything now depends on how Russia/Iran/China react to direct US involvement. Scary stuff.
If the clock is ticking, I would put the time at June 14th 1939.
Syria is on the menu. It’ll be served up as haute cuisine, or carbonised grits, but served up it will be.
“I clearly don’t know enough on this one …”
They got Caspian oil as far as the Mediterranean through Turkey.
Now they want to take it to the Red Sea through Israel.
If the peoples of the US, France, Britain cannot restrain and assert sane civil control of their armed forces – air forces particularly – and compel them to disengage, to mutiny and to refuse collectively to co-operate with this and unsettle their own governments, then the next best thing course of action would be mitigation of the human cost of certain nuclear retaliation by urging the good people of London, Paris and Washington to get as far out of town as they can, taking with them whatever tents, foodstuffs and other necessities for their short-term survival as is practicable. Though nowhere is assuredly safe and the aftermath for survivors might be worse than the instantaneous annihilation of staying put, the chance of these cities particularly being smoking ruins by tea-time, is high.
I suppose once a leader and much of government including the supposed ‘opposition’ become war criminals such as Cameron, Obama, Hollande and Netanyahu, following in each case the path of their predecessors, there should be no delay in removing them to custody after the initial breach, inaction simply invites, guarantees further outrageous crimes.
“If the peoples of the US, France, Britain cannot restrain and assert sane civil control of their armed forces”
They’re too busy buying “Help for heroes” T shirts. Brainwashed.
@Fred
Thanks … have done some of the reading …
Alan Campbell
Sorry I forgot. They meet simply to discuss the tea and biscuits.
I think a neutral country (if such exists) between participating air bases and Syria, should make airports and runways available and open for RAF, French and US pilots who refuse to commit outright criminal acts, to land their planes safely, find sanctuary and return back home to their families with their honour intact and their consciences untroubled.
“The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser
“Cameron backs US assessment on Syrian chemical weapons use” http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jun/14/syria-cameron-backs-us-chemical-weapons
Interesting they’re not using the WMD label, got burnt on that last time.
Heaven help NATO/US if Syria gets the S-300 missiles.
“The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser
Doesn’t tell you who used it though.
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“Everything now depends on how Russia/Iran/China react to direct US involvement”
My guess is that Russia and Iran in particular will quietly welcome the opportunity to try out their military hardware against the very foe it was designed to repel.
Peter Kemp: according to Assad the S-300s have already been delivered.
“The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser
I hope they observed the appropriate procedures in Tel Aviv. Can’t be easy in Syria’s climate to keep samples fresh for analysis….and the residual phosphonic acids disappear quite quickly, I believe.
OP insecticides are rather similar to Sarin. Here’s what you have to do to diagnose them if Fluffikins keels over after eating her flea collar:
https://www.addl.purdue.edu/newsletters/1998/summer/organos.html
CNN December 2012
“The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure (?) chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.
The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.”
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/sources-defense-contractors-training-syrian-rebels-in-chemical-weapons/
Not forgetting the reports that Turkish police apprehended ‘rebels’ with 4lbs of sarin?
“The daily newspaper Zaman reported that “the al-Nusra members had been planning a bomb attack for Thursday in [the Turkish city of] Adana but that the attack was averted when the police caught the suspects. Along with the sarin gas, the police seized a number of handguns, grenades, bullets and documents during their search”.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35150.htm
‘Whose people showed their gratitude by murdering the US Ambassador.’ This a sweeping remark showing little understanding and knowledge of what is going on in Libya.
After the ambassador’s death the people of Benghazi came out en masse to express their disgust at his murder. Showing great courage they swept one of the militias out of the city.
It’s not known who killed the ambassador. Neither the US or the government of Libya have really tried to investigate properly. It’s my belief that the US has made a deal with the Muslim Brotherhood and their sponsor, Qatar, in which they gave recognition to Israel in return for US support in their takeover of Arab countries. Obviously this deal is hidden from the Muslim Brotherhood’s rank and file otherwise they’d desert the organisation in droves.
In Libya now the state of instability is caused by the the Muslim Brotherhood’s thirst for power using any means. The deaths of 31 Benghazi residents and severe injuries to many others were caused by a Muslim Brotherhood militia. The regular bombing and assassinations are attributed to them.
With regard to the death of the ambassador I think it’s possible there was some kind of dispute over the weapons the militias were collecting for the US to be sent to Syria through Turkey. I believe there was a weapons storage facility at the back of the US consul and that the attempt to get the arms led to the ambassador’s death. Because the US was allied to the Muslim Brotherhood, there was no US intervention and the US didn’t want to be seen arming the Syrian rebels.
Contents of comments deleted by Craig above: Powerpoint.
1/ NHS staff, like the police, read reports/ stuff written about you by MI5 and try to wind you up.
2/ We now know from the Israeli deployment of Iraqi Shia forces in AlQusayr why Israel told Bush / Blair to invade Iraq.
3/ The representatives of political Islam in US (like Mursi) and London and the West (like Belhaj) have been in the game of Jihad/Islamic politics a long time. Their definition of Jihad is not the same as the jihad of the Qur’an. They have been hardened by torture into accepting the odd million deaths of innocent civilians.
4/ The bombs that are going to rain down on Assad are part of a deal by which political Islam will gain an Islamic Sunni state scrubbing out borders between western Iraq and Syria, Israel will gain control over parts of Syria on its Northern border under a NATO sponsored Security vice-regency/protectorate, and Iraq will lose Kurdistan to Eastern Turkey as a separate Sunni state of Kurdistan.
5/ The promises of the Israelis will not be delivered in good faith, because Allah has told us in the Qur’an that they will never help the Muslims have power at all. Above all, the demonstrations in Turkey have been about the imminent handing over of territory to the Zionist alliance, which the Turkish people have been forced for so long to defend with the loss of thousands of lives.
“Not forgetting the reports that Turkish police apprehended ‘rebels’ with 4lbs of sarin?”
Not forgetting either that Israel was caught with ten tons of the stuff when an El Al 747 crashed at Schiphol airport in 1992.
Ah….memory lane….
http://www.zombiesoup.net/2012/04/sarin-nerve-gas-cover-up-and-israel.html
…every Sunday evening a mysterious El Al cargo flight routinely touched down at Schiphol en route from New York to Tel Aviv. These flights were never displayed on the airport arrival monitors and the documentation for the flights was processed in a special, unmarked room. Unlike other Israel-bound flights, the cargo on these flights was not subjected to tests in a buried vacuum bunker (designed to trigger bombs set to explode at high altitudes).
On January 29, 1999, Dutch Attorney General Vrakking testified that the El Al security detachment at Schiphol was a branch of Mossad.
On February 5, a Dutch Air Guidance Organization employee told the hearing that the “policy” since 1973 was to keep quiet about all El Al activities. Schiphol workers testified that El Al planes were never inspected by customs or the Dutch Flight Safety Board.
Worth resurrecting, zombiesoup guy. Well worth it.
White phosphorous is a banned weapon, but not a banned chemical weapon. It was banned under the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (1980), not the Chemical Weapons Convention (1992). And, while Israel has admitted using it over a populated area, which is forbidden, the country maintains that it was used primarily as an illumination, not a weapon, and there is no evidence to the contrary. Just as Syria has plenty of other weapons to use, so did Israel. White Phosphorous isn’t even particularly effective as a weapon of war.
Also, as for Bilderberg, grow up. These people don’t need a convention in Watford to agree upon a war.
None of the above need surprise us unduly: everything’s under control. Whose control?
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/10953
Oh. That’s ICTS, as in Heathrow, Gatwick, Belfast…..
And, everybody, it’s spelled ‘phosphorus’, as my old chemistry teacher never tired of reminding us. ‘Phosphorous’ is an adjective referring to its lower oxide and derivatives thereof.
I think shadowy puppet-masters are emboldened by the public’s apathetic response to the Libyan intervention. People learned from the Iraq War that it didn’t make a blind bit of difference what they said or thought. It was going to happen anyway. Libya started off as a ‘no-fly-zone’ but within days all pretence had been abandoned and the BBC were talking openly about regime change. And no one said anything. The same is going to happen here. After months of saying there will be no ‘boots on the ground’ in Syria, there will be boots on the ground. What are we going to do? Have a big march?
Boots on ground Mawjooda/already there my dear.
….the country maintains that it was used primarily as an illumination, not a weapon, and there is no evidence to the contrary.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg
Makes it look just like broad daylight, does phosphorus. Magic stuff.
As for Bilderberg, you grow up, all confederates think that they can legitimise their evil/illegal plans by meeting together.
All weapons of war are brutal and indiscriminate in their slaughter. Add depleted uranium to the list. It may even be more genealogically disruptive than Agent Orange with more long-term damage due to it’s origins. “Depleted’ is an oxymoron.
“We have no reliable, corroborated reporting to indicate that the opposition in Syria has acquired or used chemical weapons,” said US Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes, earlier today. Does the NSA call the shots in the White House now? It’s down to a fucking press officer to start World War 3!!
Perhaps Rhodes should have spoken to the Turkish anti-terror police who caught al Nusra with the stuff last month, or to Carla Del Ponte who was slapped down for saying the heart-eating animals had been using it.
Lying bastards to the left, lying bastards to the right…
Tantalising little websnippet here:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~chernus/NewspaperColumns/Israel/MSNBConIsraelWMD.htm
Predictably, the crucial link has been 404’d.
Agent Cameron is live on BBC World Have Your Say on ch 80
Are you sure that’s not meant to be ‘spelt’?
Yesterday listening to Patrick Coburn talking (s**t) to Philippa Thomas on Radio 4, he paused to carefully pronounce ‘an horrific…’.
If we speak it right we must be in the clear!