Some of the information that gets volunteered from readers of my blog for use in my Sikunder Burnes book has been quite extraordinary. So, with continued hope and gratitude, let me try this one – can anyone discover anything more about the wreck of the ship Emma in 1821 en route to India – and particularly if there were fatalities? Was it a private or East India company ship? All I can find so far online is this database, which has a British ship Sarah going down in Table Bay South Africa in a storm in 1821. That would make sense en route to India. At 467 tons its around the right size.
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When I read this from the Old Biddy :
“I have visited Cape Town many times and reading about these hundreds of shipwrecks over recent centuries has been an eye opener. So many lives must have been lost.”
I was quite surprised – and gratified – that she didn’t manage to weave Jews, or Zionism, into the narrative somehow (eg, “many of the ships were owned by London Jews”, or something similar).
BUT….. I was gratified too soon!
For, in the very next sentence, we have a reference to Israel! A reference which the Old Biddy just happened to have come across, quite by chance, and which she herself admits had nothing to do with ship wrecks.
The O.B. never disappoints.
@ Phil
I don’t know whether the Governor of Anguilla drinks gin or not (I don’t know him as intimately and for such a long time as you obviously do), but I should say that, judging by your couple of posts, you would appear ti have been at the hard stuff for a little while. Am I correct, or is this your natural state?
“The people of the Caribbean should now decisively bend the arc of history from assumptions of benevolent associations with Empire towards direct efforts in pursuit of this claim for justice.”
Twerp.
Giles, you have a wonderful way with words!
Succinct, to the point, and so right! 🙂
When I was growing up, at some stage in my life, I learnt to block advertising as I was going about my business, especially advertising on the street – “billboards” as our American brethren call them.
There is only one way to deal with Habbabkuk (referred to as ‘it’ from now on (I don’t know its true gender) – block it in exactly the same way – when you see the name, scroll on by. It lives off responding to the frustration/anger/hatred of those who respond to it. If there was no response, it would wither and die, like a weed with no water. Eventually it would be promoted/demoted by its paymasters to another blog. It is only as effective to the extent that it is responded to.
Dave.
@Giles + Habbaburble (or whatever)
The terrible twins = two twerps
Apologies – The last line should have read:
It is only effective to the extent that it is responded to.
Indeed – I have been reading this blog for a long time – isn’t there a way to block particular bloggers? I am a supporter of freedom of speech, as much as I am a supporter of freedom of listen/read. I choose not to listen to/read people I think ruin my visual space by generally writing invective. I think this blog should let me exercise that right.
Habbakuk,
Jeez…you really are a proper fool.
It was you that raised the OT point and then continued thereafter to develop the questioned point.
I hadn’t raised the OT issue THEREFORE my point to you remains relevant,valid.
Had i raised the OT point you may have had a point.
But you didn’t THEREFORE you are the complete and utter idiot,as ever.
Wow…i dont think ive ever encountered a more stupid poster on any blog,ever.
Habbabkuk..you’re pissing into the wind,as usual,and it’s embarrassing for you and your line manager.
Fool that you are.
Epic fail Habbabkuk…again…
F minus.
Habbakuk,
It ought be clear to yuu now after these last 8 months or so…nobody really likes you on this blog.The few that engage with you do so out of a sense of pity or curiosity-or are too polite to call you out.
Your diversionary bully boy ignorant sinister tactics against Mary have been ugly,dark and deeply twisted.
You,simplisitcally as ever,decry Mary as an anti-Semite…Wromg.She’s pro-Palestinian.
Big BIG difference you narrow bought and paid for troll-fool.
Nobody here likes your pathetic lies,hubris and twisting arrogance.
And don’t dare call me an anti-Semite Habbabkuk…i aint..what i dislike is sinister twisted bullies like you,whatever their stripe.
You’re an evil,ugly,bullying sinister sockpuppet Habbakuk.
I couldn;t care if you’re Israeli,Jewish or a Zionist.
It really means nothing to me.
What you represent,and what i loathe about your bought and paid for shill tactics is your raw ignorance,intolerance,knee-jerk idiocy and lies.
Is that clear enough Habbabkuk?
Tony Blair now calling for immediate and total war against Syria.
Tony Blair Middle East Peacy Envoy-if we recall…?
More bombing of brown people.They barely seem to count in his deeply Catholic world i guess.
Lets none of us fall for the distractive Blair/Wendy Murdoch gossip eh?
These twisted fucks would sell their first born for a distractive headline.
Syria is the game,ignore the diversionary riffs.
Poor poor cherubic Tony.Probably spotted age 12 at private school as a useful gurning controllable idiot for the future.See under Fettes College and The Very Rev Dr Ronald Selby-Wright.Naughty naughty MK-Ultra!
Its not as if Murdoch would deliberately send his wife on a blackmail longterm mission is it?
Oooh…perish the thought eh?
Has been a CIA agent since she was compromised at college, even her college banger was paid for by them. Her topmost handler has been George Bush, lately she is being handled by the CIA boss. The timing of these utterances is no coincidence, it started with the Fabius “confirmed proof” of chemical weapons usage. All her talk of Catholic conversion,etc are all ploys at covering up the long list of falsehood, that has been forced upon her since the CIA filmed importunity in a Bow Street public toilet.
Coming to Florida soon. Interesting that he is linked with the other throwback Bush, Jeb, and a ‘best selling author’ Michael Lewis. Never heard of him.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-06-14/story/tony-blair-jeb-bush-and-author-michael-lewis-headline-florida-forum
http://guestlistapp.com/events/169194
Don’t you just love the Barbara Bush Literacy Foundation? Pity she did not work the miracle on Dubbya and Jeb. It’s all as funny as the oxymoron of linking George W Bush’s name with a library.
A nice rant on Amerika 2013 style. I like the anecdote about the Jack Russell refusing the burger.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/14/gangsta-government/
I hear the Western states are still suffering severe drought and wildfires yet Obomber concentrates on killing more Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_North_American_drought
The repercussions on world food prices and availability will affect all of us.
@ Jives :
Firstly, let me make it clear that I forgive you your intemperate remarks – everyone should be free to express him:herself as he/she likes, irrespective of the silliness of the underlying thoughts and ‘ideas’.
Every sentence of your screed would deserve a reply, but I’ll limit myself to just a couple of remarks:
1/. “Your diversionary bully boy ignorant sinister tactics against Mary…” (and “sinister” is used again further down):
“sinister” is a rather emotive term; perhaps designed to send a shiver down people’s backs. Would you like to elaborate on why and how my occasional comments are “sinister”?
2/. “It ought be clear to you now after these last 8 months or so…nobody really likes you on this blog.”
That’s as may be but, in your opinion, should popularity be a criterion for commenting?
3/. “…or are too polite to call you out.”
I hope you don’t disapprove of politeness on blogs? You yourself might, with advantage, try it some time?
4/. “You,simplisitcally as ever,decry Mary as an anti-Semite…Wromg.She’s pro-Palestinian”
Yes, I’d spotted that but then why the obsession with Jewish bloodlines (to use the phrase of another commenter)? The tactic seems not altogether different from that used by many Zionists who smear any citicism of Israel as anti-Semitism.
@ Jives (01h54) ;
“Jeez…you really are a proper fool.
It was you that raised the OT point and then continued thereafter to develop the questioned point.”
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In accurate, I’m afraid.
Kindly refer to the subject of this thread (“The wreck of the ‘Emma'” and, having done that, to Mary’s posts at 07h30 (on Prince Charles and the Duchy of Cornwall) and at 11h14 on 15 June (on a Radio 5 programme and Anguilla), the latter being a follow-on to Phil’s egregiously silly and ill-mannered comments on the same Radio 5 programme and Anguilla (10h06 on 15 June).
However, generous and honest as always, I’ll be happy to withdraw my strictures if you’d be kind enough to explain the relevance of those posts to the subject of this thread.
You might also refer to
@ Dave :
“When I was growing up…..”
Please let us know when you have finished that process, there’s a good chap.
As ever the truth will out:
UK planned war on Syria before unrest began
Because:
So all the troubles lead to fucking zionistan and all those ziofuckwits that are stealing the Palestinians lands (shooting and maiming the stolen lands owners), free loading on US tax payers tax monies, and setting off their guard dogs in UK to “destroy any country not getting along” with the said ziofuckwits.
The interference and denigration of regular posters, today its Phil, seemingly follows the pattern of previous personal assaults.
I apologise for Sophia’s dads behaviour here, which is not surprising, but rather following a pattern of mental flare ups, so its seems. We acknowledge that her dad grew up in an environment of sexual repression, when homosexuals and transsexuals were beaten up on the streets of London.
We must give him time to find his repressed self, maybe a professional appointment with someone, if their jobs have not been cut by our Neanderthal Government, to see whether such repression can be healed.
We will support your dad and his desire for multiple posts on here, Sophie, the intense pressure he suffers from the ruler swallowed during public school will decrease once his mislife man-opause and the night sweats subside.
Q What has this post got to do with ‘Jewish bloodlines’ FFS?
It was about the theft of Palestinian Land and the planting of JNF forests over the remains of Palestinian villages.
Ismail Coovadia would have been well used to the Apartheid of the white supremacist rulers in SA. He would been classified as Cape Coloured in that repugnant system and would have not been allowed to travel on Whites Only transport, to live where he chose to or to swim in the sea where he liked. He would have been used to seeing signs like these. Segregation just like the Zionist version of Apartheid Israel.
http://espressostalinist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/apartheid-sign-whites-only.jpg
http://southafricamtse2013.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/apartheidsign2.gif
http://www.submergingmarkets.com/editorials/apartheid.gif
Totally vile.
More from SA on the mislabelling of Israeli goods being imported.
http://rhodespsf.org/2012/05/25/labels-im-not-an-anti-semite-davies/#more-96
Glad to see that there is a PSC at Rhodes University now.
A treat for you all, some rare footage of Neil Young playing at Hammersmith Underground station in 1976. I was in El Paso that year, learning how to operate as well as repair ‘stone age’ radar systems.
Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hAblRhE7KkA
Habbabkuk,
Youre wrong,plain wrong.
Your post on June 15th 4.49 pm has no relevance to the thread at all.Most stupidly you post to decry the thread going OT,then post to continue the OT!
Bit thick really.
I dont mind threads going OT.Its the way of this blog from the start therefore-and here’s the point Habbabkuk-you cant call me out for pointing out your dumb OT post about OT posts when OT posts dont bother me.I was simply pointing out YOUR idiotic hypocrisy.
Capice?
Its a straightforward point but no doubt youll attempt to twist it as ever.
Very true. Time to hold those exploiters to account and set a precedence for others in the future; these too will face punitive measures for their misdeeds.
Nevermind
16 Jun, 2013 – 3:29 pm
Thanks for that link Nevermind.
Music is God’s language!!!
You have probably seen this plethora of books magazines and autobiographical work, all with free access to read.
Some are from the same decade and could potentially have some reference that might help.
My first attempt at the subject, although I failed to spot the ‘Emma’. And what type of ship, was it a whaler, a schooner, tea clipper?
http://www.dictionaryone.com/english/east_india_company.html
@ Jives
What is it exactly that you don’t or can’t understand?
As you write yourself, it’s a straightforward point : please name the poster(s) who first diverted this thread from its subject. Clue : around 07h00 yesterday.
You would be of some use to this blog if you too attempted to keep comments on topic rather than just approving the displays of thematic and verbal incontinence every thread seems to be subject to.
“Q What has this post got to do with ‘Jewish bloodlines’ FFS?
It was about the theft of Palestinian Land and the planting of JNF forests over the remains of Palestinian villages.”
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I’ll give you an example of your obsession with Jewish bloodlines, you old hypocrite!
Do you remember the enthusiastic and innuendo-filled way in which you were delighted to bring to our attention that fact that the opposition candidate in the recent Venezuelan Presidential election had one or two Jewish ancestors?
You did it by specifically calling attention to the fact that his full surname (in the Spanish fashion) was Capriles Radonski, accompanied by one of your little hints.
Of course, when asked why that was so significant as to warrant you drawing attention to it…answer came there none.
So FFS to you too.
Anyway, talking about boats, looks like Fermanagh now has its own no boat zone.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/16/g8-summit-exclusion-zone-northern-ireland
If only Maguire had thought of that, eh.
Calm down, Habby. Calm down.
@ Herbie (19h39):
An excellent precaution of which everyone should approve; not to do so would amount to saying that the G8 leaders should not be protected as well as humanly possible from potential threats.
Your link also informs us that protesters are being keep far away through a ring of steel. This is excellent news also, as people may have the absolute right to protest but should absolutely not be allowed to disrupt. Let them demonstrate and protest in London (or Londonderry).
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La vita è bella, life is good!