Some of the information that gets volunteered from readers of my blog for use in my Sikunder Burnes book has been quite extraordinary. So, with continued hope and gratitude, let me try this one – can anyone discover anything more about the wreck of the ship Emma in 1821 en route to India – and particularly if there were fatalities? Was it a private or East India company ship? All I can find so far online is this database, which has a British ship Sarah going down in Table Bay South Africa in a storm in 1821. That would make sense en route to India. At 467 tons its around the right size.
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FFS Radonski Capriles is still protesting about Maduro’s win. Bad loser like yourself.
Furthermore you old twister, my post about the SA Ambassador to Israel was about his objection at being given an unsolicited award by the JNF to give his name to one of their hideous forests.
‘After Israel’s establishment in 1948, the government began to sell absentee lands to the JNF. On January 27, 1949, 1,000 km² of land (from a total of about 3,500 km²) was sold to the JNF for the price of I£11 million. Another 1,000 km² of land was sold to the JNF in October 1950. Over the years questions about the legitimacy of these transactions have been raised but Israeli legislation has generally supported the JNF’s land claims.’
And a touch of conscience.
‘Susan Nathan wrote that forests were planted on the site of abandoned Arab villages after the 1948 war.[31] Nathan also writes that olive trees were replaced by pine and cypress trees[32] and that JNF afforestation policy erases traces of the Arab presence prior to 1948.[33] In 2008, the JNF announced that historical information plaques erected in JNF parks and forests would cite the names of the Arab villages formerly located there.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_National_Fund
He’s even whining to the new Pope now.
http://www.france24.com/en/20130616-capriles-warns-pope-rights-violations-venezuela
Craig
Hope these sites can help in some way:
http://www.lr.org/about_us/shipping_information/Lloyds_Register_of_Ships_online.aspx
Select 1821 which will open:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TTQSAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0Ftz6zT302-gFzEJxA5c6C&lr=#v=onepage&q&f=false
Scroll down to Emma.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
16 Jun, 2013 – 7:54 pm
“Let them demonstrate and protest in London (or Londonderry).”
Children should be seen and not heard eh Halfcocked?
@ Doug Scorgie (21h29) :
No, that’s not the idea at all, Doug.
The idea is that the right to protest and dissent does not include the right to obstruct and/or disrupt.
Hence the authorities are well within their rights to keep demonstraters at such distance from the meeting venue as makes it impossible for them to obstruct and/or disrupt.
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Furthermore, you do not have to be at the scene of something you wish to protest against in order to protest and draw media attention to that protest. Thus you can demonstrate against the G8 – or rather, against the ideas and policies it is espousing – in London, Londonderry or anywhere else for that matter.
Hope that helps you understand.
Habbabkuk,
For the 3rd time i’ll run it by you.Your previous piss poor attempt to “answer” was an exercise in complete diversion and waffle.
I have no problem with OT posts.Got that yes? Good.My post was pointing out that you were furthering a topic that you’d already wailed at as OT.You eejit.
My point wasnt about who posted the first OT point(cos that doesnt bother me-remember?) but why you would decry an OT post then ask to develop it.
You cant wriggle out of this Habbakuk.I called you out on your first post on this blog and i bang you to rights yet again,child.
I leave it to others to see clearly(and check to validate) what i’ve said and realise you’re pissing into another obfuscative disingenuous troll teacup.
Have you no shame you daft pathetic child?
“FFS Radonski Capriles is still protesting about Maduro’s win. Bad loser like yourself.”
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Flaming June, you carefully drew attention to Capriles’ Jewish bloodline BEFORE the election and therefore at a time when the question of whether either candidate would be a good or bad loser was even more irrelevant than it is today.
You may deny it as often as you like, and you work by sly allusion in the main, but the evidence overwhelmingly points to the fact that you are anti-Jewish. And that particular form of racism makes you no better than the Zionists you go on about all the time.
Habby
The security around the venue and beyond is not about protestors. Don’t be ridiculous.
There’s no threat to these people from anyone or any group in NI.
The security, which extends throughout NI, is immense.
It’s purely a show of power.
I just wish they’d compare dick size where someone gives a shit, and leave our beautiful spaces alone.
Habbakuk 11.24pm,
Oh dear.You really are losing it now Habbabkuk.
Go and see a doctor or something.You really are a very disturbed individual indeed.
Everytime I look at the thread headline I think of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgI8bta-7aw
Does anyone know where the love of God goes…
@Doug Scorgie
That was a brilliant piece of work! Not Habba so not sarcastic!
Looking at what you got it seems that there could be a link with William Paxton … I’ve no idea if he owned ships for the shipping of goods between India and Liverpool as well as dealing in dicey money for clients back and forward through that bank of his but it seems it could well be the case. Need information that’s a bit more detailed than that on Wiki … If it were the case and his company owned the Emma then the details of her loss for which Craig is looking should be fairly easily obtained – for I imagine that the Caxton bank’s archives still exist.
Well, just answered at least part of my own question …
From:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2000-01/0949286996
“The firm of Paxton, Cockerell, Trail & Co. specialised in the
cultivation and sale of indigo to Europe and of opium to China, along with subsidiary dealings in silk, silk piece goods, cotton, sugar, saffron, and lac.
Now to find the company archives …
@ Jives,
” “The people of the Caribbean should now decisively bend the arc of history from assumptions of benevolent associations with Empire towards direct efforts in pursuit of this claim for justice.”
Twerp.
If you want debate and not invective – I shall give it to you if you respond.
CB
The Coccus Hesperidum goes on a lot about the ‘Jewish bloodline’. What is it and who possesses it? Do you have to be in possession of it to occupy Palestine and then call it Israel?
Q. Why does Capriles conceal his real name of Radonski?
Q. Does C. Hesperidum know if I am Jewish or not and whether I belong to Jewa for Justice for Palestinians?
Q. Does C. Hesperidum know how many Jewish friends I have?
Doug I looked at that pdf of Lloyds for 1821. There were over a dozen ships with the name Emma and I could not decide which one was relevant to Craig’s search. The coding was complicated too.
Courtney Bennett 2.22am,
Erm…i didnt post about that..sure it aint another poster you intended that for?
🙂
No surprise here. What is the Hebrew for ‘the old boys’ network’?
President of international war crimes tribunal may have worked to shield Israelis from prosecution
The New York Times reports that an Israeli diplomat turned U.S. citizen – and now president of the war crimes tribunal at the Hague – has been pressuring the court to acquit officials accused of war crimes.
The Times says that the Israeli-American judge, Theodor Meron, “… has led a push for raising the bar for conviction in such cases, prosecutors say, to the point where a conviction has become nearly impossible.”
Some analysts feel that Meron’s motivation may be to protect Israeli political and military leaders from prosecutions that could place them in legal jeopardy.
/..
http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/news/israellobby/item/2858-judge-on-international-war-crimes-tribunal-may-have-worked-to-shield-israelis-from-prosecution
Buggalugs-
I was quite surprised – and gratified – that she didn’t manage to weave Jews, or Zionism, into the narrative somehow (eg, “many of the ships were owned by London Jews”, or something similar).
It would be terrible if they dropped off the radar, wouldn’t it? But well done on remedying her omission. Carry on remembering the holocaust, old chap. Carry on.
@ Herbie :
“The security around the venue and beyond is not about protestors. Don’t be ridiculous.
There’s no threat to these people from anyone or any group in NI.
The security, which extends throughout NI, is immense.
It’s purely a show of power.”
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I would agree with you if you were to say “The security around the venue is not ONLY about protesters. Obviously it is also in place to protect the participants against other risks as well, including the risk that someone or some group might, for example, take a potshot at them or worse.
You assert confidently that “there is no threat to these people from anyone or any group in NI”. How do you know that?
As for saying that all of this is a pure “show of power” – well, by the same analogy, you might as well say that the police (in general) should be confined to their police stations and not show a public presence because that is also a “show of power”. And that would be a ridiculous thing to say, wouldn’t it.
Craig posts a request looking for help on a very pointed question requiring research. And look at all the completely off-topic posts that started just a few comments deep. First from Courtenay and then Flaming June.
Surely those could have been posted on the penultimate thread, still alive and kicking?
I have a suggestion to make to Craig and Jon which is to consider an ongoing ‘chat room’ thread for current topics or ongoing chatter. That can go on endlessly or be refreshed each month.
Flaming June
17 Jun, 2013 – 7:27 am
“Doug I looked at that pdf of Lloyds for 1821. There were over a dozen ships with the name Emma and I could not decide which one was relevant to Craig’s search. The coding was complicated too.”
It’s the first one on the list confirmed by the tonnage 467.
Flaming June’s post requires some answers:
“The Coccus Hesperidum goes on a lot about the ‘Jewish bloodline’. What is it and who possesses it? Do you have to be in possession of it to occupy Palestine and then call it Israel?”
I think that she should answer those questions. I confine myself to noting that Flaming June is indefatigable in sniffing out people’s Jewishness or Jewish ancestors or even their connections with other people who happen to be Jewish or with Jewish ancestors. There is ample evidence for this in her posts, it has been noticed and commented on by others than myself and it comes up so often that it is, I think, fair to call it an obsession.
“Q. Why does Capriles conceal his real name of Radonski?”
I think this is called putting up a straw man. What evidence can she bring for asserting that Capriles “concealed” his second surname? As I’ve already pointed out to the Old Biddy, Spanish surnames, when spelled out in full, contain both the father’s and the mother’s surnames. Hugo Chavez will also have a double surname. Aznar, Gonzalez, Rajoy, Franco etc etc etc etc also have full surnames consisting of two names.
In practice in the Spanish speaking world people use only their ‘first surname’, ie that of the father. This is not a question of concealment, and it is very silly of the O.B. to try and bring Capriles’ mother’s surname to our attention as if it was a kind of ‘scoop’ and then, having been questioned about her motives for so doing, claim she has unearthed something that was being ‘concealed’.
“Q. Does C. Hesperidum know if I am Jewish or not and whether I belong to Jewa for Justice for Palestinians?
Q. Does C. Hesperidum know how many Jewish friends I have?”
Those are rhetorical questions and not particularly relevant ones. If the O.B. thinks the answers are relevant, however, then she should supply the answers herself. But this strikes me a variant (as always, Flaming June is cunning and works by allusion) on the anti-Semite of the anti-black protesting “oh, of course I’m not anti-semitic/colour prejudiced, why, some of my best friends are Jews/blacks”.
Hppe that clarifies!
She may have been hired by the Navy. There’s an Emma here in 1810-11 (third comment)
http://jfinnera.www1.50megs.com/Mauritius.htm
…which is likely the same Emma as gets a brief mention here as a transport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mauritius_Command
467 tons is about right for a transport of that period.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/wreck-of-the-emma/#comment-413254
Troll Go home or go away. We have had enough of you. There were five or six days on this blog free of your bile and venom until you returned. Did you get recalled to base for training?
PS Don’t give me ideas on Jewish owners of ships in the C19. They were involved in the slave trade if you care to use Google.
@ Flaming June :
“PS Don’t give me ideas on Jewish owners of ships in the C19. They were involved in the slave trade if you care to use Google.”
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I’m sure that you don’t need anyone to give you ideas when it comes to sniffing out the involvement of Jews in anything, dear.
BTW, on a point of information, were Christians and Muslims involved in the slave trade as well? Just wondering.
PS I scrolled straight through your previous two items of garbage. When I see that silly RyVita is best rubbish I get the pip.
Anyway there is a new thread for you to attend to. Don’t want to get in trouble with your masters do you?
@ Flaming June
“PS I scrolled straight through your previous two items of garbage”
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No problem, I don’t have any illusions that you will ever learn (nor change).
But I imagine that others will have read them, and that’s the point really.
The pattern goes;
First comes the occupation, and colonisation.
Then comes the setting of new rules and regulations.
The attempts in trying to set up new “chatroom”, “decrying out of topic comments”, “highlighting tropes”, “deriding other commenters”…… etc. Fall in line with changing the blog from Craig Murray’s blog, into a “New Craig Murray” blog, that doug murray would be proud to come and take part in its “debates” thereafter.
What in hades has the conduct of any commenter to do with any other commenter? How can any commenter start taking over the ownership, of the blog, and start setting up new rules and regs?
Now that new regs are coming thick and fast. Jon how about changing the colour of the background to iridescent green, and a continuous loop sound track of The Washington Post March, and a graphic of a nodding Islam Karimov with a bubble: “We approve of the New Craig Murray Blog”.
Also Jon, why don’t you link up with Wowcher too, so that the commenters can get on with printing some discount stuff to take to supermarkets and crap restaurants?
Finally will Mary, and anyone else who actually are contributing to this blog stop doing this at once and start singing the praises of the ziofuckwits, and zionistan, antisomit that they all are.
PS. Jon I already have read your thoughts!!
PPS. Like many others on this blog and elsewhere I care not one jot about deranged ziofuckwits proclamations. Hence no communications will be entered into with these.
Off topic but while we wait for Habbabkuk to come up with something on topic…
It is a disgrace how “establishment” figures like Lord Rennard are treated deferentially by the police when investigating crime.
Lord Rennard has been accused (in February) of sexual assault and harassment that is alleged to have taken place over a four year period.
At the time he was neither arrested nor interviewed by the police, instead they decided to make enquiries to establish the details around the accusations.
Now the police want to interview him about the allegations but again he wasn’t arrested at home, like any member of “Joe public”, but invited to attend a police station by appointment, no doubt at a time and date suited to his convenience.
Most people accused of indecent assault and sexual harassment would be arrested on SUSPICION of those offences as soon as possible and interviewed at a police station.
They would be kept in a cell while enquiries were made and statements taken.
The accused would be released after either being charged with the offences or given police bail pending further enquiries.
There seems to be little information on how the police are handling this; has he been charged or bailed?
Surely the media must be aware of the facts. Why are we not being told?