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“Habbabkuk and Anon: Guys (I use the term in its generic, asexual sense), if you so despise this blog, think it of low quality and utterly without influence or agency, may I humbly ask, why do you wish to frequent it? ”
Suhayl that is an unfair, almost chidish question, with all respect. Nobody needs to explain why they visit wherever they do in their freedom. Besides i havent heard them suggest the things you sre alleging….low quality etc. Words are important, and while the word is not the ‘thing’ i think we need to sensitive to the extreme to put words in peoples mouths.
I have been confronting words that have ACTUALLY FALLEN out of people’s mouths and they are not willing to take responsibility, shrugging it of taht they were taken out of context etc. Just saying, this us and them thing is for children. Look at the abuse again that has been poured on Habbabkuk, myself included. He hasn’t once used an f or a c word etc and has batted away with arguments, for the most part rational enough. I respect him for operating as a secure human being, unlike insecure remarks like Herbie’s about P 45’s etc quickly followed up by an opportune suck-up to Jon, whom i also respect.
Group hug?
Put yourselves in the shoes of this poor soul being hounded from her home which was a tent.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/cms/binary/8648205.jpg
The caption reads:In this file photo Palestinian women from Arab al-Hazaleen (South Hebron) leave with their belongings as Israeli bulldozers demolish Bedouin mud houses beside the Israeli settlement of Karmel.
The article: Life of Pi, The English Patient authors among 70 Canadian writers calling on Israel to stop evictions
The link:http://www.ottawacitizen.com/entertainment/story.html?id=8648204
While Jon ponders that, let us observe him now playing the good mod, despite his frenzied and one-sides deletions earlier in the thread. This is how Jon likes to come across, all measured and cool. The dirty work he gets up to remains largely hidden from the public eye. As I observed in an earlier comment, we should thank our lucky stars that Jon is in charge of a blog and not a country, lest he “delete” those with whom he disagrees!
Villager, it was just a question. If the blog is so terrible and pointless, then why would one wish to waste one’s valuable time on it? If, on the other hand, one really cares very deeply about the blog (as Gladstone did about fallen young women), and think it important, or at least singular in the world of blogs, then I can see why one would wish to engage. If one does care very deeply about Craig Murray’s blog, then might it not be relevant and informative simply to say so? It was a logical and very simple question, posed in good faith.
Sometimes, you know, ‘childish’ questions are the most difficult to answer.
What is?
Jon, you missed my larger point then, with respect. Is Palestine this site’s absolutely most favourite hobby-horse? if i were a betting man i would have guessed that thad was the favourite teddy bear going to be presented at the picnic.
At any rate why don’t we discuss something more topical like say Snowden and the saga where i don’t have to first go see a film first to discuss.
Last point is perhaps a bit philosophical though i will be accused of being defeatist. As you say the Israel/P problem is a very complex one. I believe is as a fact that you or anyone else say what you will you can’t influence it from here one iota. I want to know God’s thoughts on Palestine, the rest are details.
Suhayl, why do i have to care or not care? Why can’t i simply be in freedom without attachment and entry-quiz questions?
Villager,
Suhayl has been a little too friendly to Habbabkuk and I, and we in turn have stated that we admire much of what he writes. It is natural that he should find himself a little compromised and at risk of losing the support of the Murrayistas. One would therefore expect a little back-tracking and some insincere criticism, but that doesn’t worry me in the slightest.
Sufism can’t be forgotten.
““The period before the dawn of knowledge is called the age of darkness.”
― Wasif Ali Wasif
Isn’t that just stating the bleeding obvious?
Ben i reject every ‘ism. You cannot organize the truth.
I love the music dance and culture though from a sensibilities point of view. Can one maintain the same connection of the whirling dervishes without the whirling. Just maintain it constantly in awareness. And if attention drifts, see it at that moment and bring it back to ‘what is’?
Interesting. Yet is there any response to my very sincere – and very simple, childish – question.
Let us leave it hanging there, like a… chad.
There is a comment above noting that I have not been posting very much today. Correct. I was attending the funeral of the husband of a dear friend who died suddenly and unexpectedly at home. The service was long as the family are Catholic and a Mass was included. I have never attended a Catholic funeral before.
Afterwards we stood round the grave that had been prepared for Peter and his burial took place.
I had arrived early and spent some time looking round the churchyard and at the gravestones. The empty grave was prepared. It is a salutary experience looking down into a rectangular hole in the ground measuring 8ft x 4ft and 8ft or so deep, knowing what it would contain within a couple of hours.
The funeral was all the more tragic as their eldest daughter managed to attend. She has had breast cancer and despite surgery and therapies with remissions over the last two years, the metastasis has overwhelmed her and she is expected to die very soon. It was a sad day.
Villager; The dance is a trance. It’s intended to evoke alternate consciousness and is mystic and therefore, mysterious and foreign. I don’t subscribe to any ideology in toto, but there is a perennial truth found in most of humankind’s religious intent. I’m a cafeteria kind of guy. Don’t care for prix fixe.
Anon i owe you a response from the daddy-long-legs chat this morning. Without recalling specifically yes you were right. But it is through the awareness of a healthy physical body to maintain a wholeness of the mind-body that i had to take the steps as i found the opportunity. Meantime i had set it aside while i dealt with the struggle at a ‘higher’ level. In summary i have an “&” philosophy to life rather than a this or that or even mind over matter — those choices cause new conflicts to be born in the mind.
Anyway that walk and a long pending haircut did wonders for my balance. There are some things i am trying to transfom this weekend through right attention.
Ben i think i know you reasonably well. I’m a cafe kinda guy too and i wish we could share one in actuality — i’m very fussy/discerning about my one cappuccino a day. My point re trance is: there’s no backdoor to heaven.
“Suhayl has been a little too friendly to Habbabkuk and I…” Anon.
I’m friendly to everyone! It’s the Summer of Love!
Talking of Sufis, what about Nasiruddin Hodja? The man on a donkey. Possible model for Sancho Panza. Certain model for Guha, the Sicilian wise traveller. A kind of Sufi version of the Wandering Jew. Obadayah Maimonedes-with-legs.
Suhayl pls drop the childish bit — i didn’t mean to be snarky, trust me. I’m not as good with the lexicon as you, not nearly and i don’t have my readers digest ‘use the right word’ to hand.
I know your question is sincere but i think its under-the-belt a little bit when thrown at people who are equally sincere at critiquing the blog if you see what i mean.
I’ll state my reason: i like to know what people are thinking, that simple.
Every (wi-fi) cloud has it’s silver lining, and having been forced outside by Jon’s ban I now find myself in the company of a charming little swallow sleeping on its perch. Thanks Jon!
Okay, Villager, peace, man.
Summer of Love ! (I’ll even take the fake variety)
Suhayl and Villager- Have Tea or Cappucino on me in absentia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAmn89H6CEM
Mary, I’m very sorry for your loss. Please accept my condolences.
On a happier note (if I may), I see that Arsalan’s back on the other current thread! Hey, it’s just like old times! I feel like some fish…
Government planning to make Britain “hostile” to immigrants.
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/355804136274546688/photo/1
Yes, Suhayl shukriya. Lets shift the atoms of consciousness towards a peaceful planet so horribly divided in the present.
The battle was in 1690 and it’s still going on. What hope is there for the world when people look for 300 year old excuses to not get on with each other?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23295307
@ Mpd/Jon :
“Please address the argument, not the person. Posts which fail to do this will be deleted when seen.
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Yes indeed. I’m surprised you didn’t include the rather longer sentence which starts off that post of Craig’s to which you referred. It reads as follows :
“Will EVERYBODY please tackle the arguments commenters make, and not refer to their motives for making them – which you cannot know – or that people are paid, or their personality traits, or somebody else”.
Well actually I’m not surprised, because the short phrase you gave is vaguer and therefore gives you much more discretion. The longer sentence is much more specific about what Craig doesn’t want to see on the blog.
If you looked at Craig’s four specifics and applied them honestly and impartially, you would ban 10 posts from the Eminences for every one of mine (or Anon’s for that matter).
By the way, I should have thought that Craig’s first specific (posters’ intentions) should have given you some pause for thought before wheeling out your “good faith” argumen
I also notice a couple of things Craig did not inveigh against. They include :
1/. Being off-topic (BTW, what is the announced topic of this thread?);
2/. Mocking another commenter’s ideas and scribblings
3/. So-called “disruption” – presumably because he is intelligent enough to realise that one man’s argument is another one’s disruption.
Hope this helps you clarify your thinking.
Suhayl, about bicycles, the oner in the back is called back wheel, I believe.
Anon, go get another job.
Looking like the Lib Dem leadership doesn’t uphold the principles of freedom of speech either.