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“Coffers of the masters of the universe” – 1 punnet.
What is good for the goose and all that:
“kyke/kike” is an offensive remark, however equally offensive and racist is the term “Murrayista” that is a derivative (ista) and a racial slur designed to denigrate the hard working and downtrodden South American nations whom have tried to organize to fight the US imperialism. This kind of racial epithet is nothing short of “beanies”, and “wetbacks”, and ought to be deleted too!
Malala Yousafzai is being used. And coached. And she wasn’t shot ‘in the head’ (although we were told that over and over), the bullet entered her neck. Also, her father (of whom she seems afraid – look at the photos) runs several for-profit schools. Funny that, eh?
Do some reading on the subject.
“Even when reminded of the risks she was courting, Malala said her father, who worked for women’s education, supported her fully. Her mother was equally supportive, she said but the irony is that Malala’s mother is kept inside the house while the young girl is projected internationally.”
http://www.crescent-online.net/2012/11/was-malala-yousafzai-used-for-a-larger-us-plan-zafar-bangash-3412-articles.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/03/malala-yousafzai-father-given-diplomatic-role-uk
“There is one other dimension worthy of attention and that is what the former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has done. He has launched a United Nations petition using the slogan “I am Malala” demanding that all children in the world should be in school by 2015. He plans to present the petition to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari later this month. [Written in Nov 2012.]
“Brown’s activities on behalf of Malala and indeed other children would sound more noble were it not for the fact he heads the “global campaign for charter, for-profit school systems.” There is tons of money to be made in this enterprise.”
Come on now, why the facts should get in the way of a good Islam bashing story? Since when did facts matter when it was the turn of hate and scorn to be heaped upon heaps on the Muslims?
These days the arms and munitions are costing far too much and the poor countries can get these sourced cheaper from elsewhere, so the next best opportunity for fleecing them; “education”/ Monsanto.
“Habbabkuk, it seems Jon has forgotten the episode from about a year or so ago, in which he said something along the lines of “Come on guys, not all Jews are bad”, for which he was roundly castigated, and promptly goose-stepped back into line.”
You’d better produce a link for that alleged exchange, Anon, because I have been here since 2005 and have never seen anything like it. If you’re going to throw accusations like that around, I suggest you back them up.
And perhaps we could see an end to all this Jon-bashing. He’s doing a difficult job very well, and he’s doing it entirely voluntarily. In his own free time. I’d like to see some of his detractors try it for six months!
Habbabkuk, thanks for the advice, I’ll ponder upon it. Bear in mind that, in the absence of a policy, I think mods have a duty of care against bullying and derailing. Yep, it ain’t perfect.
Anon, you’re not banned as far as I know. We do seem to have a lot of banned IPs but I think “the machine” sets them itself, and there’s no record how they were entered or when. We do very well moderating against racism without your ongoing commentary, but do send an email to Craig via the contact form if you think the policy could be better.
Villager, appreciate the engagement. Is Israel/Palestine discussed too much here? I dunno – it comes up in the comments, but not to a particularly interesting depth, in my view. I don’t recall a particularly good discussion below the line on it for ages. Good idea on the NSA story though… watch this space!
yes approx. 6 million were killed in WW2and the vast majority of them jewish believers, what would we do here without learned scholars such as anon.
and approx. 1.5 million Palestinians have died since the UN world community decided to create Israel. It was done by the same means, with torture, concentration camps, massacres and child murder.
Approximately 1.5 million Palestinian civilians have died since 1948,including the victims of the ethnic cleansing campaigns in the west in 1948-50 and in the east since 1967. Civilian deaths have escalated dramatically in recent years since the zionists developed their obsession with the Palestinian birth-rate,and children are often the target. There is only a small fine for killing a Palestinian in cold blood. It’s based on a weapons charge,not murder. To understand the genocidal character of this vile regime,one need only glance at the responses from zionists; at least half advocate or at least imply approval of the killing of non-jews. Adocating genocide is by the way a reportable offence on Y/A. Aproximately 2000 civilian Palestinians are killed each year. If you are jewish and you shoot an 8-year-old Palestinian girl in cold blood,you will have your weapons license revoked for three months and pay a fine equivalent to 50-100 dollars U.S. It’s considered by the “government'”to be more or less the same thing as shooting squirrals within city limits with a .22. would be in America. Zionists love to murder Palestinian children and they do it all the time. The military handles the mass-murders. We are not talking about suicide bombers or militants; those figures fall into another category. I am referring to wanton killing of civilians.
Source(s):
Pappe,Itan. “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” (Oxford,2003).
Amnesty Internation Annual Report (years 2000-2007).
Hass,Amira. “Drinking the Waters at Gaza” (1996).
@Dreoilin. 11 14am
What a scary notion “…all children in the world should be in school by 2015.”
Hats off to Ireland for being one country whose constitution protects parents’ rights to home-educate their children.
This from Ivan Illich:
“Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby “schooled” to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is “schooled” to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavour are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question.”
Deschooling Society (1973)
Full Text. Only 116 pages.
http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Illich/Deschooling/intro.html
When I see comments along the lines of “coffers of the masters of the universe”, I am reminded of the grotesque propaganda cartoons used by the National Socialists to demonize Jews in 1930s Germany. You know the type – the fat, ugly Jew with his big nose, hoarding the world’s wealth. It saddens me to see that such imagery is still being used by some on the Left, but that makes me more determined than ever to fight anti-Semitism wherever I find it. We owe it to ourselves, and to our forefathers, many of whom died fighting the scourge of National Socialism.
Dreoilin, I am going to have a brief moment of contemplation now before I return to the subject of Mulala.
Contemplate away, Anon. I’m not coming back today. At least, it’s not my intention.
Dreoilin, how mean-spirited of you to try and undermine the good work being done by Mulala in fighting Islamic extremism. So she was shot in the neck and not the head. That makes all the difference. And have you thought that Mulala’s mother stays at home because that is the cultural norm in that part of the world? Change will take more Mulalas, and the work must be done from within, so I don’t understand the problem you have with the brave girl’s stand. Is it because she is a Muslim fighting Islamic extremism, and because the West is also fighting Islamic extremism, that makes her a traitor in your eyes?
Nevermind, I notice you have mostly used capital letters correctly where necessary, but not when using the word “jewish”. Is there any particular reason for this?
@Sofia Kibo Noh
I agree with you totally.
Other than Ireland, the only country I’m aware of in which home education is a constitutional right is France. Hats off to both. Unfortunately, in both cases it is compulsory to notify the authorities and allow inspections.
In England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, there is no duty to inform the authorities at all, if parents home educate their children without ever sending them to school.
I’m sure you know all of this; I’m just saying it for other people’s benefit! 🙂
In Germany home education is illegal, having been made illegal by the Nazi government in 1938. The ban is zealously enforced. Some home educating families have been forced into exile. In at least one case, home educators from Germany have successfully claimed asylum in the US.
How pathetic people are who want to think of themselves as “radicals” but sheepishly send their children to school to get their minds beaten into place. Illich put it extremely well.
Reading the unconscious drivel of a ziofuckwit that is running away with its own riotous “imagination”* whilst making a phoney boloney attempt in directing the debate in the direction of anti-s….. this tired, worn out, over used, redundant expression that evidently is still applicable in twenty first century.
Given that the projection of the sick “imaginations” are the product of the sick mind that produce these, yet the imperatives of fighting the “keyboard war” dictate to carry on pressing the submit button to fill the thread with insincere, and dishonest indignation.
This is the modus operandi of the keyboard warrior brigades bent on harassing, bullying and disrupting any debate concerning the shitty little strip of land, and the abominable segregationist apartheid policies of the ziofuckwits;
IDF detains 5-year-old for allegedly throwing rocks
Note the arrest of the father of the child, and probably neighbours, and so on…
Evidently the events that took place quite a long time ago back in history last century, have a direct and fresh bearing on the current abominable behaviour of these sick ziofuckwits. This is of course all in aid of garnering support for murdering the Palestinians, and anyone else who stands in the way of land theft and segregation apartheid.
Although some would argue that the neurosis on display is a very real episode in the real world that a sick “imagination”; imagining its persecution. This leads to an imbecilic and almost involuntary reaction that is so often the standard retort from these supremacist scoundrels intent on “winning” any debate!
* I am reminded of the grotesque propaganda cartoons used by the National Socialists to demonize Jews in 1930s Germany. You know the type – the fat, ugly Jew with his big nose, hoarding the world’s wealth. It saddens me to see that such imagery is still being used
US officials have revealed that explosions reported at a key Syrian port on July 5 were the result of an Israeli airstrike.
http://rt.com/news/israel-attack-syrian-port-041/
Clearly our world is a dangerous place where sovereign countries can be violated without consequence and their people killed.
Like Britain Israel has an independent nuclear weapon deterrent and any attack on her would result in nuclear annihilation of the attacking country.
What a fucking biased, prejudiced and unjust world we live in.
Defense Support Program (DSP) satellites for warning of a nuclear attack are controlled by America with UK assistance from four component radars based at RAF Fylingdales in North Yorkshire.
Israel is sub-rosa linked into this warning system even though she has not signed into the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
I wager you’re ‘tickled to death’ you live in a nuclear WMD nation.
“In England and Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, there is no duty to inform the authorities at all, if parents home educate their children without ever sending them to school.”
Unfortunately things are about to change in Scotland, every child it to have a state guardian to ensure it is raised to conform.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/scotland-every-child-to-have-state-guardian-from-birth.html
Perhaps a campaign should be launched to arrest Gordon Brown whenever he makes a public appearance, because compulsory schooling is directly counter to Article 26 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which after stating that “Everyone has the right to education”, states very clearly that
“Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children”.
Am I the only one to notice this warm weather has brought with it a swarm of a new kind of pest?
The Lesser Blog Anonome (Anonimosa Lobotozoa ) a swarm forming, blog-dwelling, parasitic animal of the order Distractiniaria.
Unlike most of it’s relatives this species is pelagic and can occur in vast numbers wherever anything is being discussed that may cause people to think.
Those fortunate enough to live in the west of Ireland or even Scotland (named after the Scoti who brought both language and civilisation from the Emerald Isle in the fourth century AD) can seek relief by abandoning their dwellings and heading for the mountains where clouds of midges will soon sooth them.
Sir Bob Russell is getting it in the neck from the JC for daring to ask questions about Israel. He will be hounded like David Ward and Jenny Tonge.
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/109384/shoah-slur-mp-commons
No mention of the shoah brought down on Gaza needless to say.
Note Alistair Burt’s non-response to the question on Israel’s nuclear warheads.
Bob Russell (Colchester, Liberal Democrat)
To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what estimate he has made of the number of nuclear warheads possessed by Israel; and if he will make a statement.
Hansard source (Citation: HC Deb, 8 July 2013, c41W)
Alistair Burt (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State (Afghanistan/South Asia, counter terrorism/proliferation, North America, Middle East and North Africa), Foreign and Commonwealth Office; North East Bedfordshire, Conservative)
We have regular discussions with the Government of Israel on a wide range of nuclear-related issues. Israel has not declared a nuclear weapons programme. We encourage Israel to sign up to the non-proliferation treaty and call on them to agree a Comprehensive Safeguards Agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Written Answers — Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Israel (11 July 2013)
Bob Russell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs how many representations he has received in opposition to proposals by the government of Israel to forcibly remove 40,000 Bedouin from their historic lands.
Oral Answers to Questions — Prime Minister: Middle East and North Africa (10 July 2013)
Bob Russell: Britain has always condemned ethnic cleansing, wherever it takes place around the world. Will the Foreign Secretary therefore condemn the Israeli Parliament for its vote to evict 40,000 Bedouin from their ancestral homelands?
Written Answers — Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Israel (8 July 2013)
Bob Russell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what estimate he has made of the number of nuclear warheads possessed by Israel; and if he will make a statement.
Written Answers — Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs: Israel (8 July 2013)
Bob Russell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what estimate he has made of the number of (a) British citizens and (b) people categorised for purposes of evacuation as entitled persons living in Israel.
TheyWorkForYou
ex http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/bob_russell/colchester#hansard
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Hi Passerby/Fedup (sock puppeting that our fair-minded mod won’t be pointing out). What on earth are you doing if it isn’t fighting a keyboard war with your long monotonous and barely readable rants about “ziofuckistan”? What you choose to leave out in your quote of me in italics at the bottom of your post, are your own words coffers of the masters of the universe . You are an anti-Semite, Fedup/Passerby. Criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-Semite, but regurgitating age-old anti-Semitic tropes about Jews running the world and hoarding its wealth certainly does!
Links detailing the arrest of a minor in Israel for throwing stones have been posted throughout the thread. While this arrest is quite out of order and the child ought to be released immediately, if he hasn’t been already, is it really the worst thing that is happening in the world today? Or is it just another stick for you to all use to beat the Israelis, whilst posing as caring human rights activists? How many Syrians has Assad killed this week, for instance? 100? 1, 000?
And while the arrest of this boy is appalling, what about the desperate conditions in Indonesian prisons I highlighted earlier in the thread, where riots were sparked that left four prisoners shot dead. The prisoners hadn’t been provided with any water since the morning before the riot and the prison was operating at twice its capacity. Yet all we hear is Israel this and Israel that.
Seems that the NTSB has already completed its cover up of the Asiana 214 crash in San Francisco.
The two most relevant pilots said that they engaged the auto-throttles to make make the landing, but that they failed to maintain the proper speed of 157 mph, resulting in its descending too quickly, and hitting the sea wall at the end of the runway.
Now the NTSB says that preliminary investigation shows there was no mechanical failure during the crash- the engines, auto throttles, air surfaces, etc., all worked perfectly.
How in hell could the auto-throttles have worked perfectly, given the surprisingly rapid descent which caused the crash?
Little wonder that one of its interns told SF station KTVU most incorrectly that the pilots were named: Tum Ting Wong and Wi Tu Lo.
You just cannot make this stuff up.
The poster at 1.45pm pretends not to know about the massive abuse of Palestinian children by the Israeli Occupation Force. No. This was not an isolated case. It, and other terrible abuses, happen all the time.
eg
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/israel-has-arrested-more-than-170-palestinian-children-in-jerusalem-since-the-beginning-of-2013.html
http://www.dci-palestine.org/
Yesterday. Just one day. http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2836
•20:35, Israeli soldiers detained a ten-year-old boy, Mohammad Al-Shimali, for a time while they fired tear gas grenades at pedestrians near the entrance to the al-Fuwar refugee camp.
Tulkarem – 14:50, Israeli soldiers abducted a 16-year-old boy, Yazan Hillal, near the Einav checkpoint.
“You just cannot make this stuff up”
But you do, Tro! Are you still of the opinion that the aircraft was sabotaged to take Edward Snowden off the news?
Ok, Mary, so 2 boys detained and tear gas used. Yesterday in Brazil, tens of thousands protesting, clashes with riot police, tear gas used, hundreds injured. Why are you so obsessed with Israel?
Trowbridge H. Ford. 1:50 pm
“Tum Ting Wong and Wi Tu Lo.
You just cannot make this stuff up.”
Seems like someone did just that!
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/12/KTVU-broadcasts-racist-joke
@Fred
Many thanks for the reference, which tracks to sections 19-21 of the Children and Young People (Scotland) Bill.
The Bill proposes to make the official definition of “wellbeing”, the state which the “named persons” are supposed to seek to ensure, subject to ministerial alteration by order (Section 74).
What do you mean, your child isn’t on Facebook and doesn’t watch television?
When I hear about “well women” this and “well men” that – and nowadays, there are also “well baby” clinics – I smell Glaxo Wellcome. That company’s rackets may be a factor in the use of the term “wellbeing” too.
Corinne Souza would be able to comment on this idea very usefully. If you’re reading this, Corinne…
ROFL not the tropes!!!!!!
Assertions, assumptions, followed by denunciations, indeed traits of solipsist simpletons. The leap made; is this quantum kind of leap, or some other sort of leap? To pick a sentence and misconstrue it to the Nth degree and then wax lyrical about the conjecture thereof, with no let or hindrance, to push the point home to others who are not following the discourse.
PS. Fedup does not do ziofuckwits.
PPS I can see why!
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Incidentally the bombing of the mosques yesterday is now being treated as a “terrorist” incident, in a sort of as a matter of course, and mundane way. Although bbc has yielded by calling it “serious”. Also now it is emerging that there has been a “smaller” explosion around another mosque nearby yesterdays explosion last month.
Could there be a link? Of course not, silly!
Next year perhaps the link may be found and twenty years time there will be a kind of a Lawrence Enquiry and some dead jobsworth will get vilified, by the imminent panel that will be assigned to find the “truth”.
Villager suggests that the NSA story is topical, so I’ll offer something on that as a basis for discussion. There’s quite a lot of interesting points that can be made, quite aside from the drip-feed of items we’re getting in the press.
It’s probably worth starting with the analysis that the basis of a modern state’s latent power over its citizenry lies in the nature of the “deep state”. This is a component of a purportedly democratic system that is unaffected by its electoral mechanisms, and can be seen as one of democracy’s most glaring internal contradictions. The deep state sometimes acts like an oil tanker being turned around: you can move the tiller, but it will still keep going in the same direction for several miles more, apparently unaffected by the (electoral) change of course.
To a degree, this is an inherent human limitation: in large groups, changing people’s behaviour is slow and difficult because of the fallible nature of communication. However, it’s usually more complex than that: individuals also have ordinary self-interested motives, such as careerism, and some can be highly ill-motivated, such as falsely framing a whistle-blower for reasons of realpolitik. The end result is that unaccountable organisations can pursue agendas that differ from the policies of their elected government and, frequently, stand in opposition to the (economic) interests of the masses.
It’s been mentioned on this site in the past that an elected head of government (such as the US President) does not have absolute power to achieve his or her manifesto policies. Of course, this is a good thing, but it provides a handy get-out clause for representatives who have changed their mind about something, or who had no intention of making good on their promises in the first place. Obama on Guantanamo is a good example: if that facility is seen as an abomination (and from the left to the centre-right I believe it is), then is inaction a case of Obama being ideologically captured by the hard right, or a quagmire of administrative and legal problems being deliberately put in his way?
With Obama, I think it is a mixture of the two. Certainly, he has been a disappointment to anyone thinking that his presidency would reinstate the rule of law into US domestic and international behaviour. I take the view that we’re seeing the same problems with the NSA revelations: Obama knows he is largely powerless to reel the NSA in, and he doesn’t want to risk a battle with either the reactionary media, the deep state or the hard right by loudly proclaiming he will clean house. In any case, the president turned out to be significantly more hard-line and militarist than was expected prior to his first term. It could be argued that, choosing between a powerless president being pushed to the right or a canny operator keeping his powder dry, if the effects are studied only a cigarette paper might be inserted between them.
So, I’m taking the view that the NSA is outside of democratic and presidential control. It grows much in the same way as the military-industrial complex, and is an unintended side-effect of an excessive interaction with commercial interests. It’s worth noting that such systems are extremely slow to respond to external stimuli: witness how long the American “war on drugs” has taken to understand the damage wrought by prohibition.
To a degree, my opinion could be characterised as a “horizontal” conflict within state apparatus. Whilst the president’s office will have known about the technical surveillance capacity and the secret corporate collaboration, the administration now has to deal with the perception that presidential authority has been convincingly pissed upon, especially in light of the international outcry. However, I think it is important to understand the “vertical” nature of this power grab also: to keep American capitalism working as it does, the masses need to be oppressed (or at least the infrastructure needs to be in place so that more control may be exerted if it becomes necessary). I tend to see this as a summation of the human motivation vectors within the system, such that collaboration and opposition by various groupings ends up in an apparently random place – in other words, there’s no perfect, organised conspiracy keeping it alive.
Given its effects, the system’s output is sometimes regarded as “evil” – it is widely seen as amoral, but that perception takes on a quasi-religious character, because its workings are mysterious and its outputs are irrational. I should clarify though that the effects of late-stage capitalism isn’t irrational to everyone: it works just fine for a comfortable minority, and therein lies the problem.
For politically engaged individuals, the idea that the sole purpose of widespread and lawless surveillance is “keeping us safe” is a patent nonsense. In the UK, anyone familiar with the miner’s strikes during the Thatcher years will know that union organisers would receive telephone calls late at night, in which they would hear tape recordings of their previous telephone calls with other officials. Here, a challenge to the neoconservative agenda was sufficiently compelling that the deep state chose to briefly reveal its true authoritarianism, thus demonstrating that people fighting against (class) inequality are to be intimidated.
I think it would be difficult to prove, but I’d wager that there would be a persuasive correlation between the power of the deep state and income inequality within the same country. Put another way, the power of such organisations rises in proportion to economic injustice, so that the increasing levels of predictable social unrest can be quashed. It’s difficult to estimate the influence of such organisations, however: whilst levels of funding might be a measurable expression of power, intent is harder to put into an equation. I should think if we compare the liberal consensus that followed twentieth century disasters (such as the Great Depression and the two World Wars) versus the ascendent neoconservative agenda in the 1980s, deep state organisations in those contexts would take on somewhat different characteristics, even with identical funding.
As an aside, I am rather intrigued by the nature of public consciousness as it relates to this story. There’s enough well-informed commentators in the media who have already revealed the power of unaccountable UK/USA elites, and the technical capacity to reach into corporate servers without oversight was already reasonably suspected (if not actually known). Put another way, Edward Snowden stands accused of leaking state secrets, even though they weren’t very secret to start with. Is it that he could prove it, with a handful of badly-drawn PowerPoint slides? I’m not so sure. I’m left with the feeling (and not a little déjà vu) that something only becomes real once the mainstream media has deigned to acknowledge it. Prior to that, the “truth” as it is understood by a well-informed minority is regarded as the output of cranks, extremists and disaffected whistleblowers.
The level of public awareness has some peculiar side effects. German prosecutors have launched a criminal enquiry, even though the German deep state would probably already have known about the NSA’s new capabilities. It’s possible that benign groups within their apparatus have been kept in the dark by their secret service counterparts, and that they are now furious about it. However, perhaps those officials knew about it already, but feel the need to demonstrate a counter-reaction for the public now the cat’s firmly out of the bag?
Either way, it’s interesting to analyse the story (and the international responses) in terms of the endless sequences of hidden ramifications that it produces. Herein lies a serious dilemma for the deep state’s unavoidable tendency to overreach; two low-level operatives have come forward in recent times, perhaps showing that such individuals may collectively be approaching a tipping point between indoctrination and moral duty. If it is correct to characterise organisations of authoritarian control as an expression of elite power, then groups like the NSA are almost biologically wired to gather more power within their ratchet, and unless there is a sharp increase in the media’s persuasive ability, at some point something’s got to give. Perhaps we’ve more dominoes to come?
Don’t make anything up, Anon. Just repeat what I read, and make sense of.
In this case, I increasingly believe that covert American government arranged the crash, and its cover up, most likely to take the spotlight off the Snowden case which the Chinese Ministry of State Security had allowed to become a massive international problem by letting him escape from HK. Remember there were more Chinese on the flight than those from any other country.
And the joking about the names of the pilots was a jab at the NTSB for its crude cover up.