Counter-Revolution 712


What we are seeing in Egypt is counter-revolution pure and simple, military hardliners who are going to be friendly with Israel and the US, and are committing gross human rights abuse.

Western backed counter-revolution is going to be sweeping back across the Middle East; do not be distracted by the words of the West, watch the deeds.  It will of course be in the name of secularism.  There is an important correlation between what is happening in Turkey and Egypt.  I made myself unpopular when I pointed out what the media did not tell you, that behind the tiny minority of doe-eyed greens in the vanguard of the Istanbul movement, stood the massed phalanxes of kemalist nationalism, a very ugly beast.  “Secularism” was the cry there too.

 


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  • Kibo Noh

    All those bloody “nubers demonstrating”.

    They should get a proper job. That’s what I say.

  • Flaming June

    Same experience Brian. Perhaps our names go via Cheltenham and then Dave has to give the final say so. Only joking Dave!

  • Flaming June

    LOL from the FAQ

    Why hasn’t my signature been added to the total on the petition?

    Once an e-petition has been signed, the updating of the number of signatures does not take place straight away. Instead, the signature total which appears on the site refreshes at regular intervals, rather than at the moment the signature is added.

  • oddie

    Eutelsat threatens satellite firms with US sanctions
    Press TV has obtained some of the letters, which Michel De Rosen, the French-Israeli CEO of Eutelsat, has written to satellite companies warning them against providing services to Iranian media.
    He has said that if European satellite companies do not comply with US sanctions against Iran’s national broadcasting corporation, their assets will be frozen by the government of the United States. De Rosen has also warned service providers that their officials will be denied entry into the US, if they broadcast Iranian channels.
    “Mr. De Rosen initially raised the issue of EU sanctions against Iran. But when I talked directly with the EU foreign policy chief’s spokesperson, Mr. Michael Mann, and aired his comments that EU sanctions did not apply to Iranian media, Mr. De Rosen suddenly changed the story,” said Hamid Reza Emadi, Press TV’s newsroom director. “All of a sudden, Mr. De Rosen starts focusing on US sanctions and completely forgets about the EU embargo that he so passionately talked about before,” he added….
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/05/312346/eutelsat-steps-up-war-on-iran-media/

  • oddie

    the revolution will not even be BLOGGED. couldn’t believe how many blogs failed to even cover the continuing revolution.

    MSM drove the narrative – first by ignoring the buildup, then by equating Pro & Anti Morsi protesters – LOL – when there were 20 million to 25,000, by some reports.

    “clashes between” blamed when MB killed protesters. bbc even claimed they didn’t know what they were protesting about, when they & the rest of the MSM have ignored all the grievances building up since Morsi was installed with our help.

    vurtually no MSM among the peaceful millions letting them speak for themselves; probably didn’t want the world to see the anti-obama anti-anne patterson banners while obama was on the african continent; no reporters in other major towns & cities, except for MB stronghold Nasr City.

    this is just stage two of the egyptian revolution; not perfect & may it may fail again but, when the West, Gulf States, Turkey, Jordan, Israel have been busy inserting MB in Libya, Egypt, Syria, i don’t think it takes a geopolitical genius to work out why the people revolted.

    tunisians are learning from tamarod; libyans have begun taking steps to remove the MB, even while knowing the MB will never go away now they’ve tasted power. good luck to them all.

  • Flaming June

    Sorry I called you Brian Kibo!

    Have just been for a lovely walk. Not too hot. The whole of a valley here below the North Downs has been planted with barley. It is just turning from green to a beautiful pale gold. The arable field through which I returned home was a blaze of yellow from the hawkweed.

    ~~~

    Good for Blatter here. I always think of him in connection with FIFA corruption.

    Blatter heads to Palestine for talks travel restrictions
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/sports/2013/07/05/Blatter-heads-to-Palestine-for-talks-travel-restrictions.html

    Friday, 5 July 2013

  • Tech Savage

    When Mubarak was kicked out the Egyptian constitution was altered, with broad agreement from all those who participated in the election, to prevent another dictator arising. One of the cornerstones of those changes was preventing the President from making laws without judicial accountability/approval. One of the first things Morsi did once he removed the Army’s official influence from his government was to repeal that law, allowing him to resume Mubarak’s role as totalitarian dictator. He betrayed the electorate, the process and (most importantly) the Army.

    This is why the talking heads are more concerned that democracy is upheld rather than support the justified removal of a religious extremists intent on taking Egypt down a road the people had already rejected. Allowing him to remain in power for the good of a so called democracy, when he has clearly betrayed everything he claimed to stand for in such a short space of time, serves only those who have done exactly the same here “the NHS is safe with us”, “we’re in it together”, “we will protect the poor and vulnerable” ad nauseum. The people here could learn a thing from the Egyptians.

  • Tech Savage

    Jay 4 Jul, 2013 – 10:30 am

    A very interesting ‘counter argument’ you present there. Any chance of providing something other than a totally pointless ad hominem next time, like some facts or actualities, to prove that you aren’t a complete tool?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trolls

  • Macky

    Follow the money;

    “A perceptive look into all this came via a 2008 U.S.diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks. The writer in the U.S. Embassy in Cairo ticked off the various businesses the military was involved in, and considered how the military might react if Egypt’s then president, Hosni Mubarak, were to lose power.

    The military would almost certainly go along with a successor, the cable’s author wrote, as long as that successor didn’t interfere in the military’s business arrangements.”

    http://barrymlando.com/https/barry-landosquarespacecom/2013/7/4/the-egyptian-armys-state-within-a-state

    Talking of money;

    http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=100429&cid=31&fromval=1&frid=31&seccatid=91&s1=1

    (original FT article behind paywall)

  • John Goss

    O/T again I’m afraid. Sorry. Thanks for the link BrianFujisan at 3.06 am.

    Here is another on the same subject of Venezuela offering Edward Snowden asylum. “I announce to the friendly governments of the world that we have decided to offer this statute of international humanitarian law to protect the young Snowden from the persecution that has been unleashed from the most powerful empire in the world,” the United States.”

    http://nsnbc.me/2013/07/06/maduro-venezuela-will-offer-snowden-political-asylum-as-head-of-st/

  • Abe Rene

    @Doug Scorgie: You don’t believe in democracy..Can you explain how you think the world should be run?

    I believe that democracy should be the preferred system by default, and that movements in this direction are to be encouraged. However I also believe that dictatorships or regimes that would take away people’s freedoms should be prevented from coming to power, namely Communism, fascism and Islamism. Overthrowing Hitler, the Soviet Union, and Morsi (especially once he had made himself “Pharaoh” and introduced an Islamist constitution) were all good IMO.

    For applying the Kissinger principle in practice, I would say that civil and economic freedoms are an important touchstone. Thus Swedish socialism is not problematic. Venezuela under Chavez was becoming borderline IMO. As for Cuba, I wish the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded, but what’s done is done. Now it may be best to normalise relations with Cuba as America did with Vietnam, and encourage them to give more freedom to teir citizens.

  • Passerby

    O/T

    M. Gove is such a didactic Gay

    “language in playgrounds that wasn’t effectively policed.”

    Nothing better to do, than teach the world how to behave, is he thinking he is the Education Secretary of the world now? Everyone knows how “Gay” that is!!!!

    PS I is not a homophone, in fact I have many friends who are “Gay”, and I have called them so!!! (I hope the readers would laugh as much as I have writing about this pressing matter for Minister of Education)

  • Dreoilin

    If you weren’t watching, the Lions have beaten the Wallabies 41 – 16

    Stick a fork in it

  • Kibo Noh

    @Abe Rene. 11 46am

    I think you are a brave one, trying to persuade with the teachings of Henry Kissinger. (“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac” 1973)

    For me somehow, the words “Kissinger” and “principle” don’t seem to belong in the same sentence.

    There must be a good grammatical reason.

    Or maybe it’s the impossible logic of it.

    Just plain tautological.

    As for democracy, I’m sure you will agree that democracy comes in many forms and the western military/industrial-controlled version has lost most of it’s credibility with anyone who cares to inform themselves.

    Before you swallow any more MSM opinions about Venezualan democracy you might enjoy Oliver Stone’s “South of the Border” and the brilliant Irish documentary “Inside the Coup”.

  • Kibo Noh

    After Egyptian Democracy Mk 1 I wouldn’t blame those on the streets for being wary of a repeat. The destruction by the army of the Gaza tunnels is an ominous sign given the strong popular support for the abused Palestinians.

    A couple of observations on how it can be:

    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
    HL Mencken (1880 – 1956)

    “Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they’ve told you what you think it is you want to hear.
    Alan Corenk

    Whether it ends up as just another pro-Israel/US stitch-up or not will surely depend on how much support the generals get from the lower ranks.

    Venezuala has shown that once lower ranks give their allegiance to the population then the generals, corporate oligarchs and bishops lose their power.

    I wish the Egyptians well.

  • Passerby

    I believe that democracy should be the preferred system by default, and that movements in this direction are to be encouraged.

    Is this from miss Ohio’s speech when she won her first beauty pageant?

    What democracy are we talking about? The current O’cracy brand we all are subjected to, is anything but what it says on the tin. To find the failed O’cracy subjects then pontificating how others should or should not live their lives, is a bit of a “does not compute” conundrum.

    Further considering that Hitler lived, way, way, back in the last century, and since then the war criminals in US have surpassed the tally of the dead he had chalked up by a factor of umpteen. This getting achieved in a state of perpetual war, that has been initiated to stop the domino effect across the planet of some trumped up and contrived menace or other. There seems to be little point of pulling the rickety old skeleton of the mustachioed Austrian painter, to make a point.

    Fascism, was defined by the other poster boy of propriety Il Duce:

    The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone

    Freedom of choice, Freedom of speech, Freedom of expression, as currently exercised in US won’t you agree?

    Best learn what these labels entail before using them perhaps. The notion that every system is wrong other than the only system prescribed by the good old US, itself is another fascist doctrine:

    empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement

    Finally “Islamism” or political arrangements derived from the Islamic principles, evidently ought to be rejected and replaced either with “christian/Judaic/atheistic/secular” values instead, so that O’cray can flourish as per the prescribed parameters outlined in the above principles set out.

    This is just fine and dandy for the resource stealing, gun toting apple pie loving marauders, but what is in it for their victim/target nations?

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    It was of course Muslim Brotherhood member Morsi who replaced the anachronistic Chief-of-Staff Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, a Western Army stooge, by Abdul Fatah al-Sisi, a US trained intelligence officer.

    It is clear to me the West were mindful of Arab intensity and formulated a probability contrivance in case of revolt against Morsi that would then shift power back to the Egyptian army.

    The Egyptian army are tools of the CIA.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    “As for Cuba, I wish the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded…” Abe.

    That says it all, Abe. You’d like the CIA and the Mafia to be in control of a country.

    I agree about normalising relations, of course. It should’ve been done decades ago, but it’s ongoing hyper-power vindictiveness – ‘step out of line and we’ll freeze you out’.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    “… applying the Kissinger principle in practice…” Abe Rene.

    What, you mean death squads, torture, carpet bombing, systemic rape and the assassination of an elected president?

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Wrt Egypt, it seems it is Hobson’s Choice b/w various Right-wing autocracies/de facto elected or unelected dictatorships, all of which are US stooges. An ‘Algerian Civil War’ situation now may develop.

  • Passerby

    Mark Golding said;

    West were mindful of Arab intensity and formulated a probability contrivance in case of revolt against

    How about:

    West were mindful of Arab intensity and formulated a probability contrivance in case of revolt against the rule of iniquitous stooges of the West ie Mubarak and sons, and allowed Morsi to be shoed-in as a stop gap, and a means of buying time. Post the austere of Mubarak and thereafter Tantawi, rule of Morsi period proved to be a great asset in dividing the Egyptian opposition, that in turn could lead to reinstatement of the next Western trained and trusted pair of hands at the helm.

  • Macky

    “However I also believe that dictatorships or regimes that would take away people’s freedoms should be prevented”

    Does that include corporate corrupted “democracies” ? In which policies are bought by buying/”funding” politicians ? Not much “people’s freedom” around when needed to oppose a paid for corporate vested interest.

    “As for Cuba, I wish the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded, but what’s done is done.”

    So you wished that a foreign military intervention had succeeded in overthrowing a popular revolution that had got rid of a corrupt & vicious one-man dictatorship who was selling out his own country to foreign interests, and committing horrendous human rights abuses against his own people ?!

    “and encourage them to give more freedom to teir citizens.”

    Don’t you think that trying to win back the freedoms that we have steadily been losing in the last few years, would put us in a better position to “encourage” others ?

  • MJ

    “Swedish socialism is not problematic”

    The Swedes must be relieved.

    “Venezuela under Chavez was becoming borderline IMO”

    Borderline what? Chavez won majorities of 60%. That’s not borderline, that’s called a clear democratic mandate.

  • Flaming June

    Some unfunny jeering under the cover of satire on The News Quiz earlier from Ms Toksvig et al about Edward Snowden and his appeals for asylum and President Morales’ jet.

    ‘Who couldn’t Bolivia the way the US treated him this week?

    ‘Edward Snowden has applied for asylum in up to 12 different countries. I think that comes across as a bit needy……’ etc etc

    A satirical review of the week’s news, chaired by Sandi Toksvig. With Jeremy Hardy, Susan Calman, Jason Cook and Hugo Rifkind.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0368rf4

    Rifkind, Murdoch hack, is the son of the reliable stooge Sir Malcolm, chair Intelligence and Security Committee who goes right back to 1974 with Heath and then Thatcher who became party leader in 1975 and PM in 1979.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Rifkind

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Faming June, thanks, I didn’t realise that about Hugo Rifkind. Yes, I listen into that show and often enjoy it, find it funny and clever, while driving (usually to work), though as with most such shows, there often seems to be a self-satisfied air of ‘metropolitan in-club’ about it. But I’m probably just a demonic ‘Darth Vader’ frustrated writer!

    But I did pick up on what you’re referring to about Snowden. They also attacked Murdoch, but this is a little akin to corporate humour, it seems to me, and might tend to reinforce power. It’s certainly not the Theatre of the Oppressed.

    I have to say – I’m sorry if this offends anyone – that I hardly ever tend to find the Scottish comedienne on it that funny – is that Calman? Some people have a good radio voice and others do not. The pitch and manner of her radio voice irritates me. I think a lot of her material seems laboured and the punch-lines don’t always deliver.

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