The Respectability of Torture
St Mary’s University College, Thurs 1st August, 7.30pm
Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, was a whistleblower who was removed from his ambassadorial post by Tony Blair for exposing the Tashkent regime‟s use of rape and systematic torture, including the boiling to death of political opponents. He has also spoken out against Central Asia‟s appalling dictatorships, regimes which are allies of the West, involved in torture and rendition, and was accused of threatening MI6‟s relationship with the CIA. Now a human rights activist, author and broadcaster, he outlines the dynamics of torture and the hypocrisy of incriminated Western governments.
My first public appearance for a while will be in Belfast on 1 August where I shall be giving a talk. Long term readers of this blog will recall that, while my focus is largely on international affairs, the domestic political achievements I most hope to see are a united Ireland and an independent Scotland.
“Manning revealed that the Israeli authorities had a secret plan to keep the Palestinian population of Gaza on the brink of food insecurity and poor health, in among the creepiest military operations in history.”
Yes Mark. I should like to hear from the counter-intuitive, just how Gaza differs from the Warsaw Ghetto .
Martin Rowson, Grauniad today.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/8/4/1375653615074/Martin-Rowson-05.08.13-013.jpg
Exactly.
“Well, that certainly startled that passer-by – thanks, Jemand!”
hahahahahahahaha – thanks for the laugh, Tech
Here’s my silly pic contribution of the day
https://twitter.com/dbbandit/status/364281416747462656/photo/1
Some parents … you have to wonder … mind you, the kid looks chuffed, if not waterproof
Jon, i don’t do animosity. And although i’m no nationalist, i do wonder when people do hate, of any variety for that matter. I wouldn’t trivialise Mary’s observations i’ve enumerated — its the phenomena of hate pervasively that i say stands in the way of genuine resolution of conflict — if anything it feeds directly into the heart of conflict. When i look at the tree, i want to see the whole of it: all its roots, branches, leaves, flowers and bitter fruit and bark. If i magnify, i want people to see that the devil is truly in the detail of how we react rather than respond from clear brains and clean hearts.
Because i espouse some of Krishnamurti’s teachings, do you see how hard Mary works to discredit him. As if it makes the slightest difference to me that she should want to have a go at a dead-and-gone man even tough he left behind a monumental legacy of wisdom in his teachings. K was nobody’s guru so no one, least not me, is attached to ‘him’ yet i can only imagine Mary is trying to offend when she attempts with her cheap shots to discredit him. There may still be some hope for her if nothing else in her next life. In the meantime, anybody with an ounce of wisdom would question her brand of compassion — if i were a Palestinian i would reject it. As a human being, i treat it with deep suspicion and therefore question her credibility. Its quite simple.
Her last shot at hating her country inspired a couple of raised eyebrows including from yourself, but she never engages does she when its pointed out. So, we must see things for what they are. That is the starting point of understanding anything the ‘what is’ not what they could or should be which is the path to further attempts at becoming and division.
清者自清，浊者自浊
This is not news, per se, but interesting to see what studies showed:
Global Warming Could Cause 50 Percent Increase in Violent Conflict
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/07/climate-change-violence
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23541341
“One of the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings was in possession of right-wing American literature in the run-up to the attack, BBC Panorama has learnt.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.”
“Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.”
That’s going to get right up the noses of the Tea Party. They were chuffed when his identity came out, and they could shout ‘Muslim – told ya’!
Jemand – Censorship Improves History
5 Aug, 2013 – 8:32 am
“I also notice, Flaming Mary, that you like to try and bait me with your anti-Australian propaganda. I guess you also hate us as you hate your own country. All this hate gets us nowhere, can we all get along??”
Are you the same Jemand that hates Aborigines?
They will continue to ply their trade upon the Muzzies, Dre. (Guano; I am using their phraseology)
Dreoilin 5 Aug, 2013 – 4:25 pm
“Global Warming Could Cause 50 Percent Increase in Violent Conflict.”
Very interesting. It seems fairly obvious that raised temparatures over the long term lead to additional violence. If only in societies competing for resources.
But I had no idea that a warmer room significantly increases the likelihood of violence by individuals. Interestingly, it fits with the language of violence (steamed up etc).
Could this happen in the UK? Texas; ‘Nuff said. (go to 2:58)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ob7BDGx3Zo#at=148
Dreoilin: “That’s going to get right up the noses of the Tea Party. They were chuffed when his identity came out, and they could shout ‘Muslim – told ya’!”
It won’t bother teabaggers in the slightest, because they’ll never get to hear of it. ‘Baggers get all their views from Fox and various hate-radio hosts, who would never dream of troubling them with the truth or awkward facts.
Doug Scorgie, have you stopped downloading child pornography yet? Try to make some more white friends, Doug, you might come to like some of them one day. Then again, maybe not.
I do have to admit that posting comments on this blog is a little sad considering who I waste my time trying to engage with. There is simply no getting through to uneducated people with emotional problems, the worst being self-hating white people. What’s with self-hating?
And what’s with frustrated communists who lecture on the virtue of cooperation and sin of racism but then go on antagonise another poster by referring to beer-swilling Aussies in the style that some do of fried-chicken eating negroes? Racist much?
Or squawking females who pour their hearts out about people who sew their mouths shut (for media attention) but then scoff at dead children at sea? Bleeding heart or bleeding brain? Maybe it’s just a lack of education and low self-esteem.
What a curious bunch of malcontents you are. You moan about class and systemic abuse and then go on to recreate yourselves as mirror image versions of your ideological enemies. It’s a good thing I have never had the displeasure of meeting you hate-filled creeps in person.
But the saddest thing of all is the way many of you rally together on Craig Murray’s blog, in complete denial that you are, in the end, a liability to his causes and not an asset. Good for you.
glenn; If you haven’t heard of Anthony Wiener, he’s a democrat taking lessons from the Tea Party.
He’s decorating his warts and doubling-down on the stupid because it seems to work on some level of society.
Who upset jemand then?
@ Phil (14h49)
“You don’t seem to consider that denying racism is itself a racist act.”
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What sort of logic is that?
So if someone denies that he’s lying, that itself is a lie?
If, of course, now I know what you meant – it’s the great Phil who gets to determine who’s a racist!
And by teh same token it’s the great Habbabkuk who gets to determine who’s a chump.
Phil, you’re a chump.
“then go on antagonise another poster by referring to beer-swilling Aussies in the style that some do of fried-chicken eating negroes? Racist much?”
– waltrot
“scoff at dead children at sea?”
– where did they do that? i will take that ‘squawking female’ immediately to task, though i might use adjectives that make me sound less like Alan Partridge (bless him)
“people who sew their mouths shut (for media attention)” – and that just about says it all (rapidly shakes post off feet). Reading that great Australian novel Schindler’s Ark is not helping, I must say.
But perhaps you did not actually watch the videos, Jemand. I’m sure you can not have done, actually.
@ Mr Scorgie (16h46)
“I also notice, Flaming Mary, that you like to try and bait me with your anti-Australian propaganda. I guess you also hate us as you hate your own country. All this hate gets us nowhere, can we all get along??”
Are you the same Jemand that hates Aborigines?”
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I’m surprised to have to ask you this, Mr Scorgie, but would you please supple references and quotations to back up what you say about Jemand.
Thank you.
ps nice Rowson. and Chinese. And Dreoilin, lovely – mutant ninja watermelons will obviously save the world. must get that costume.
Land of the free and home of the brave, my arse! The young woman is being interfered/touched by the butch cop and that is the Freedom brand US is fucking shoving down the throats of the rest of the world.
The fascist state that Hollywood sold and the yanks bought, is not much fun to be living in. Although the bastards over here would love to cup a feel of the unsuspecting punters too, but as yet we are not there, and hopefully will not get there either.
Fedup; They were actually fingered by the fingerwoman. I can’t believe they complied, but it was probably less intrusive than the bullet-nose flashlight at the lockdown.
The question is why Jemand/Villager/Habbabkuk visit this blog as they complain from their high horses, with affectation of pain, at the comments. It is a rhetorical question of course.
Generally speaking they tell us nothing and contribute very little.
I note that one of them has sunk to a very low level today.
A survivor of the Israeli attack on Gaza last November, Jamal al-Dalou who lost ten members of his family, gives his opinion of the ‘peace talks’.
“Peace” talks are meaningless, says survivor of Gaza massacre
Joe Catron
Gaza City 2 August 2013
http://electronicintifada.net/content/peace-talks-are-meaningless-says-survivor-gaza-massacre/12654
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From the same website, how Israel aids the Sri Lankan government in their onslaught on the Tamil people. The author likens it to the treatment of the Palestinians.
Liam Fox and Adam Werritty had connections to the same Sri Lankan government and visited, as we know, and to Israel too.
Israel advises Sri Lanka on slow-motion genocide
Krisna Saravanamuttu
Toronto 30 July 2013
http://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-advises-sri-lanka-slow-motion-genocide/12644
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See http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/12/the-secret-foreign-policy/
and
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/11/gould-werritty-a-real-conspiracy-not-a-theory/
“The fascist state that Hollywood sold and the yanks bought, is not much fun to be living in. Although the bastards over here would love to cup a feel of the unsuspecting punters too, but as yet we are not there, and hopefully will not get there either.”
Brit police can perv it just as well as any yank:
“The 22-year-old woman was taken into custody at Chelsea police station, where five officers, including one female police constable, removed her clothes by force. The young woman, who has not been named, was left naked in a cell for half an hour after the search, which was filmed on the station’s CCTV and broadcast to the custody desk.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/31/police-action-woman-strip-search
It’s more usually called sexual assault and voyeurism, but seems only to be a procedural or disciplinary matter when you’re police.
The IPCC won’t do too much about it. That’d be the light touch regulation thing again. So it all just gets worse and worse. It’s not for nothing that a former senior police officer has said that police are now operating like an occupying army.
Again, I’d ask people to compare with NI, where there’s a very strict regime now supervising any wrongdoing by police. And they’re all the better for it.
Flaming June, here’s another heartbreaking cop abuse video
Whist Compassion, and Empathy, were earlier topics of discussion.
I think i could happily ring the necks of both the sordid cop, and the revolting judge.
And That Poor wee yin Right in the middle of it aLL…INFURIATING
Cop Sexually Assaults Woman Then Arrests Her For Protesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytUl2Ie4E8Y
This disgusting perverted racists fuckwit, has the constant of sexual deviance and sexual violence running through his comments. However due to his anti-Muslim stance that he explains away as a result of his a theism, he has been getting away with his racism.
Further as he pontificates: Interesting too is what company you keep on this blog Indeed, interesting the company that he keeps!
Finally as any good Scotsman would acknowledge a clear case of; everybody is oot o step cept wor Jock. There he comes running up!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-usa-wikileaks-manning-idUSBRE97403K20130805
“”Every single embassy” was affected, said Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy, who warned about long-term consequences of Manning’s 2010 leaks to the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.
The releases will have “a chilling effect that will go on for some time,” Kennedy said.
Kennedy testified at the sentencing hearing for Manning, who was convicted last week on criminal charges that included espionage. The hearing is to help the court martial determine how long the private first class should be in prison.”
It’s a two-fer. They get max sentence for Manning and by declaring a threat, close the embassies. They are easy to see through. is this what Obama meant by transparency?
Visions of Pussy Riots dance in Putin’s head.
Gaga and Madonna–bad girls !
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/08/lady-gaga-madonna-facing-punishment-in-russia/
Thanks Herbie for your comment, I stand corrected, the fascist fuckwits have won over here too.
Brian have you noticed the Judge throughout the incident is keeping herself busy with the little toddler, and is ignoring her mother?
Ben you are right, the transparent as fuck excuse to shaft that poor young man, and making an example of him for the rest of the would be
conscientious objectorswhistle-blowers. Shame on Obama, he is as much of a neocon as the crazy drug user in chief and his coterie.