The Respectability of Torture
St Mary’s University College, Thurs 1st August, 7.30pm
Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, was a whistleblower who was removed from his ambassadorial post by Tony Blair for exposing the Tashkent regime‟s use of rape and systematic torture, including the boiling to death of political opponents. He has also spoken out against Central Asia‟s appalling dictatorships, regimes which are allies of the West, involved in torture and rendition, and was accused of threatening MI6‟s relationship with the CIA. Now a human rights activist, author and broadcaster, he outlines the dynamics of torture and the hypocrisy of incriminated Western governments.
My first public appearance for a while will be in Belfast on 1 August where I shall be giving a talk. Long term readers of this blog will recall that, while my focus is largely on international affairs, the domestic political achievements I most hope to see are a united Ireland and an independent Scotland.
What on earth has happened to Macky? I don’t seem to remember him being like this before. I second Jon’s appeal for calm. Please, guys, we’re not your enemies.
Macky, you accused of Suhayl of being insulting – if you don’t mean what I referred to, then I am not sure what you did mean. Either way, I think you’ve misread him.
Jon; “Sorry Macky, I’ve excised your last comment. That was an attack on Technicolour with no redeeming features of any kind”
Oh dear Jon, you are really starting to lose the plot; my “attack” was a rebuttal to being accused of being some sort of male chauvinist, a serious charge; the “redeeming” feature that you missed was the pointing out that Technicolour is very free with her slurs & smears.
I’m sorry but in the face of such partisan moderating nonsense I can see the attraction of following in Crptonymn’s footsteps.
Jon; “Macky, you accused of Suhayl of being insulting”
If I asked you if you supported any sort of fascism, would you not be insulted ? We are after all supposed to be loosely on the same page here.
But like I’ve said, you are really starting to lose it now.
Macky, you are welcome to deny the charge of being chauvinist, but I count nine separate insults in your deleted post, and nothing of any substance. That is not on. I take your unfair suggestion that I am “losing the plot” on the chin, though it is also unnecessary when mounting a complaint.
I understand you are unhappy with the Cryptonym decision, but as it stands (a) one paragraph was excised, and (b) it was reposted as a mark of defiance, and I did not delete that. So, I think you are being over-sensitive.
As you know, I am trying to stimulate some discussion here, and reducing the levels of aggression is part of that. Please try to discuss things with people with some civility.
Nice one …..
http://intellihub.com/2013/08/19/wikileaks-posts-400-gigabytes-of-encrypted-insurance-data-online/
Thank you Jon for looking after my copyrighted Material, and Macky don’t you forget to source it when using “hasbawanker”. Otherwise it is just not cricket old boy!
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That is precisely the point of divergence. Or in more common parlance fucking dispute for starters.
In you world view you see the ziofuckwits as a problem endemic to Palestine. However what you fail to see is the corrosive and destructive effect of these murderous, supremacist vermin on the wider world!
The ziofuckwit miscreants have made acceptable; lies, murder, and disorder. The plutocrats across the world are using the wake of the vanguards of destruction to pull ride the vacuum and achieve any goals that otherwise would be unachievable.
Just take a look at the freedoms that we have all lost in the last twelve years. As we are groped, frisked, made to walk barefoot across the airports, or to be subjected to xray hexvision machines so that even our genitalia are shown in case we have secreted a weapon up in our orifices! (everybody is gay now). Fcuking mothers cannot take their milk for their infants on board the aircraft.
You sanguinely pass on these total fuck ups of the sixth order magnitude and say you fail to see? Why is that Technicolour?
Just look at this thread, and see the utter crap hasbawanker and his many incarcerations have been shoving on this thread? Why Jon tolerates these? so far as freedom of speech and freedom of expression goes, it is OK to call the Muslims every name under the sun, attack any number of the human family, however only dare to mention the “_ews” well at that moment all the fuck is let loose and that is end of the offending character’s life on this blog, or elsewhere. FFS Kennedy is being gagged by the fucking BBC in this fucking country and not fucking Palestine and you fail to see?
@Jon, can you find ” any substance” in the following ?;
“I think it’s pretty shoddy to bring your patronising, demeaning views on the female gender into whatever your gripe is; on the other hand, at least we now know you have them.”
Anyhow it’s blatantly apparent a) that you don’t like the fact I think you were completely out of order with Cryptonym, so much so that he left in disgust, and b) you are shielding both Suhayl Saadi & Technicolour, either because you agree with their general positions or because they are long time Poster, or probably for both reasons.
@Fedup; “Macky don’t you forget to source it when using “hasbawanker”. Otherwise it is just not cricket old boy!”
I haven’t use it (!), it’s just Jon getting his partisan wires crossed. I think you’re wasting your time here, the dice is loaded & the game is fixed.
Glenn_UK
19 Aug, 2013 – 2:04 am
“Do you know why Welsh is so poorly understood and practiced in Wales…?”
“Maybe reading around on the subject would help you understand why arrogant statements such as yours kind of tick us off a bit. Here’s a tiny starter.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not
OK Glen UK, I see your point there and I understand a bit more.
However do you think that force feeding the Welsh language now is any better than the force feeding of the English language was in the past?
Is the Welsh language not a dead language anyway, in practice?
I think that it would be more in the interests of Welsh children (of any ethnicity) to learn a modern language, like French or Spanish instead. Don’t you?
English is the established language throughout the UK regardless of how it came to be and is accepted as one of the main international languages in the world.
Being bi-lingual in English/Welsh is more restrictive, do you not agree, for young Welsh people than English/Spanish or English/French?
How about someone fluent in Welsh/Latin?
Macky, Macky!
Your gorge has risen.
Harken!
Do not lose faith.
The bastard will suppose they have won.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Not
Same system was used in Ireland — to attempt to wipe out Irish language and culture, in favour of English.
“Being bi-lingual in English/Welsh is more restrictive, do you not agree, for young Welsh people than English/Spanish or English/French?”
Why not trilingual? English/Welsh/French or English/Welsh/Spanish?
Re the detention at LHR of Senhor Miranda, I noticed it failed to get a look-in on the Beeb 10 o’clock news tonight, but was instead the lead story on Newsnight. There then followed a ‘debate’ on the implications of this act, featuring a botoxed to the eyeballs Louise Mensch defending the security state to the max.
Clearly in her warped world view, transit passengers at LHR who consort with associates of ‘undesirables’ such as Edward Snowden deserve this insolent treatment. Catch her performance on iplayer if you missed it… her ex constituents in Corby must be so relieved to be shot of her.
Macky: Technicolour was less civil that I would personally recommend, but by the time I’d seen that, you’d already written a piece about Technicolour “sticking snarky daggers”. So, one-all to you both. In the meantime, if someone attacks you with a water pistol, loading your shotgun is not an appropriate response.
This is a good question, though I do think you have it wrong. Discussions that touch on fascism usually end up with someone accusing another of being a fascist or supporting it. The same happens when discussing immigration/racism/etc – someone eventually ends being accused of racism. This isn’t a charge I can defend you against by excising the other point of view, since sometimes it is a fair point (I don’t mean in this case, but in general). Moderators are certainly not around to help people make up their mind!
Thus, perhaps as a Palestine supporter of type X, I am regarded a fascist. I deny it of course, but someone out there on the big bad internet certainly believes that Jon is a fascist. Perhaps you might be tempted to accuse Suhayl of supporting the fascism of the Egyptian army (a charge I am sure he would deny) but someone out there believes that to be true too. Thus, if Suhayl suggests you have supported fascism, then you need to (a) find out why he believes that, and (b) accept it or refute it.
Re Cryptonym, he/she was entirely wrong to leave in disgust, for the reasons I gave earlier. He/she is welcome back (though Craig did himself tire of the constant Ziofuckwits theme, and I live in hope that such guidance is at least partially heeded).
Sweet dreams, everyone.
Such ham-fisted attempts by Whitehall to shut the Guardian/Glenn Greenwald up!
“with two GCHQ security experts overseeing the destruction of hard drives in the Guardian’s basement”
David Miranda, schedule 7 and the danger that all reporters now face
As the events in a Heathrow transit lounge – and the Guardian offices – have shown, the threat to journalism is real and growing
Alan Rusbridger
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/19/david-miranda-schedule7-danger-reporters
Jon how can i contact Alcanon, re a very ot topic…i have been digging up some frightening Shit. about the dates Re his/ her Asrtral concerns
Would it be best just post here..we had a Discussion on page 9, on it all, Clark was there, Ben, Dreoilin,
I have been doing some digging, And it would seem something is seriously wrong re Alcanon’s impact date
Bit late for wiggy to be getting in on the act.
Assange was saying all this a few years ago.
@Jon, I did intend to let my last Post literally be my last Post, but your response now needs responding to;
“Macky: Technicolour was less civil that I would personally recommend, but by the time I’d seen that, you’d already written a piece about Technicolour “sticking snarky daggers”
What sort of moderating is it that works backwards, deleting justifiably angry rebuttals to yet unseen even ruder provocations? Your shotgun/water pistol analogy is the wrong way round, the truth is that being falsely branded a female chauvinist is a lot more serious than pointing out that a Poster has an obvious habit of taking snarky pot shots, especially when they then try to justify them by claiming the target is actually on some sort of friendly terms with them (interesting to see if Mary shares that viewpoint), hence why the snarky pot shots were more accurately described by me as snarky daggers, as in knifes in the back of a “friend”.
”So, one-all to you both”
Yet you let Technicolour original smear still stand, but not my rebuttal in self-defense ?!
Don’t fob me off again, by claiming I can still explain my position, as my rebuttal & the way it was worded was exactly that was needed to quash her slur as it deserved to be quashed, and like Cryptonym, I will not lower myself to your unreasonable dictate to explain my position yet again & to your partisan approval.
“This is a good question”
Shame your answer was not too good.
“Cryptonym, he/she was entirely wrong to leave in disgust”
I’m sure he/she doesn’t feel that way, nor do I.
brian; I posted to him couple days back, no response. The impact concern he expressed had a .999999999 % miss calc. Was that what you’re referring to?
Brian; This is a link I gave AA, one of three. One at a time for digestion.
sorry….http://www.sott.net/article/145683-New-Light-on-the-Black-Death-The-Cosmic-Connection
Some day too, I expect peeps will wake up to the fact that identity politics and PC were little more than mechanisms of division and control.
That’s why we see so much of this bizarre nonsense below. It only seems bizarre however because people mistake its intention.
It’s like when it’s revealed, often by whistleblowers, that the spooks are incompetent or the police are incompeent or the banks are incompetent, or the NHS is incompetent.
They’re not incompetent at all. It’s quite simply that they’re all now being directed to purposes other than is generally assumed, like controlling the peeps and making lots and lots of money.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/comedy/comedy-news/10249686/Im-proud-to-be-a-Paki-how-can-that-be-racism.html
Meanwhile, Newsnight has an interview with someone who seems to have a clue what’s going on in Egypt, in terms of how the teams line up.
starts 25.35 in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b038m933/Newsnight_16_08_2013/
Thanks ‘it’ for your poor show, like a badly fed chicken, there’s not much meat on the bone.
Today’s appearance of Chloe Smith, in charge of communication with the about to be revealed damp squid that is the lobbying review,on the front page of the Independent, is an indication on how the kite flying policies of our party politicians without a mandate, just to keep it real, FFS she has not responded to relevant correspondence for over a year, so she will be the fall woman and, for that alone, in the future ranking to lead the Tory party with mediocrity and NO SOUL!
Ms Smith is the ‘preferred stooge’ the fall woman who gives the Tories enough time to organise their ‘car drivers election appreciation campaign’ tout sweat…But she looks fresh and virile, just what the voters like, sheer misogynist dream land.
the review is eyewash, lobbying is Britain’s biggest asset,talking shite!
Anyone wondering. I am still here 🙂
Ben,
Yes I’ve come across Mike Baillie stuff before.
It seems I can probably explain even the most bizarre serious of coincidences of computer problems I had. Still can’t explain the SD card on the phone but I’m willing to put that down to random chances as well given all the other low probability events that all occurred at the same time.
Strange times.
Hi Alcanon.. You got me on a wee Quest Lol
Whilst it dose not take a rocket scientist to realize that 25 k miles is nothing to asteroids traveling at 100, 000 plus mph
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Air Force will shut down its space surveillance system that tracks satellites and other orbiting objects by October 1 due to budget constraints caused by automatic federal budget cuts known as the sequestration, it announced Monday.
Deactivating the system by October 1 would save the Air Force Space Command $14 million annually starting in fiscal year 2014.
And of course theres many others out there searching… But this seemingly legit email adds to the clamour
Emergency Fema Region 3 Alert!!!
FEMA Region III: DC, DE, MD, PA, VA, WV
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 6:43 AM
Subject: National update from Sheldon: Senator Sheldon R. Songstad, Ret. of South Dakota State
A few nights ago Donald Trump was with Greta on Fox News. He told her something BIG was going to happen, most likely starting the first week of October. He could say NOTHING ELSE at this time.
HERE IS WHAT WHAT THE SENATORS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS RESEARCH TURNED UP…
FEMA purchase orders for over $14.2 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Region III by October 1st.
FEMA purchase orders for 22 million pouches of emergency water to be delivered to region III by October 1st.
FEMA purchase orders for $13.6 million for MREs and heater meals to be delivered to Austin by October 1st.
Nine-week training course for UN Peacekeepers in CONUS to learn Urban Warfare, English, and US weapons systems beginning 4th week of July for 386,000 troops to be completed by October 1st.
$11 million in antibiotics to be delivered to FEMA region III by October 1st ordered by CDC.
World Health Organization held second emergency meeting in its history to discuss MERS Coronavirus. Determined a vaccine MUST be in place by October 1st.
2800 MRAPs must be delivered to DHS by October 1st.
No leave will be allowed for US military from September 28th thru November 5th. NORCOMM yearly training for civil unrest suspended until September 27th. To be performed in northeast coastal areas.
Date for release of QE3 report moved to October 16th.
All DHS agents MUST qualify with sidearm, shotgun and AR 15 by September 28th. No mention of yearly less lethal qualification.
Sporadic testing of GPS and Communications satellites is coordinated for the first time with a testing date of September 29th.
POTUS mandates to FEMA and DHS concerning support for metropolitan communities dealing with the extreme climate change MUST be complete by October 1st. These mandates were issued during the last three weeks.
Over 300 school systems in the US have determined they need three-day kits for each school AND three-day kits for each student to take with them. All deliveries are scheduled for the month of September.
All National Guard units will complete riot control and disaster assistance training during this years annual two week training. All units MUST have their training complete by September 30th.
Daily testing of the Emergency Broadcast System to begin on September 25th and run thru October 2nd.
Eastern-based Coast Guard units to perform massive group training, usually performed in the Gulf, in the Virginia and Delaware areas. This is a 10-day training mission to begin September 26th.
“GOD, PLEASE HELP AMERICA”
Sheldon R. Songstad
Senator Retired: South Dakota State
Alcanon all these dates to coincide with “2007 FT3 2/10/13…You got thinking man
Brian,
Well in the slight chance there is anything to worry about it they obviously don’t want us to worry. So I’ll try not to. Could get run over by a bus or hit by a solar flare before then. Ah, Always look on the bright side of life 🙂
Saw that new nova in Delphinus in the sky the other night. Didn’t even need the binoculars. Very Impressive.
AA; Good to see you back. My interest in the subject is the naturally occuring Anthrax virus which slumbers for eons, then suddenly emerges. The rapid travel in Europe;during the Black Plague certainly suggest some other cause than fleas on rats, and the Bubas usually occur in singular when observed.
I thought it an intriguing and frightening piece.
Yes i read that was a naked eye object AA…Been cloudy hereabouts, but a stunning Big moon was up..got some nice fotos,
And yes the sun is Very active