Having sat through 25 minutes of intensive propaganda for bombing Syria called the BBC Ten O’clock News – which did not feature a single interviewee against bombing – it was delightful to see them have to report at the end that the Commons has now rejected the Government’s motion to authorise military action.
It will, Nick Robinson quickly assured us, take a few days to work out what this vote means. He means it will take a few days for those who profit from war to work out how to spin the vote against military action as a vote for military action. That process will start in the next few minutes.
Let’s not forget the role the SAS had in the Basra region of southern Iraq. They would dress up as locals and go round planting car bombs in street markets. When they were caught by the Iraqi police the British Army turned up at the police station with tanks and demolished it to release their terrorist commrades.
Sofia Kibo Noh: Let’s be cautious, the silence from the ‘other side’ is deafening. but at least Tony Blair, G.W. Bush and war criminals of every stripe in the West will be slightly less comfortable in their skins today for sure. The possibility that someone will mount a prosecution against them in the future will seem more and more likely as the wheels start falling off of their project for global domination.
@Donald 9 03am
Thanks. A timely reminder of what it means to have the SAS come to town.
http://globalresearch.ca/britain-apologizes-for-terrorist-act-in-basra/1094
@Donald. 9 15am
”Let’s be cautious….”
Indeed.
But I do have that sense when I read only 9% of Americans want bombing that I should be pinching myself.
I’ve seem enough of these episodes now to know that usually, by this stage, there’s someone in just about every conversation reminding us “…how awful it is and how HE / THEY must be stopped, etc…”
@Donald.
What’s this then, a quick morning tango at the Craig Murray Cafe. Watch out for one large and very cross reptile. (Still yours Komodo, honest!)
@Jives 11:18
That’s EXACTLY what’s behind the total info awareness drive of the NSA/GCHQ complex – that and the ability to identify ideal Patsie candidates for the next shock-horror production. Trawl the data with the required pattern map of movement, communications, financial transactions, subscriptions etc etc and Bingo – a few names pop up. Add a a bit of agent-provocateuring, logistics provision and surveillance and an ‘event’ can be engineered, or compelling circumstantial case constructed.
If it can be done, you can bet your sweet life it WILL be done – already been in fact with, for example, the Walsall Bomb plot of 1890 – albeit with less finesse than is now becoming possible.
We really do live in a manufactured reality
Absolutely perfectly summarised in a few effective words, Craig. many thanks.
@ Sofia –
I’ve seem enough of these episodes now to know that usually, by this stage, there’s someone in just about every conversation reminding us “…how awful it is and how HE / THEY must be stopped, etc…”
And –
The BBC has clearly outed itself as a propaganda organ.
It will not have escaped your notice that one of Assad’s fighters allegedly dropped napalm on a school playground yesterday, reported by R4 at such length as to minimise coverage of the vote in the Commons at 10pm. And that a Panorama team was conveniently close at hand to provide coverage. In excruciating and horrifying detail. I don’t recall such intensive coverage during Vietnam, when the use of napalm on defenceless civilians was routine. And I ask myself what possible motive Assad could have for such an obvious and disgusting action.
Could his timing have conceivably been worse under any imaginable circumstances? Is he saying “bring it on”?
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
It’s over a hundred years since William Melville (codename “M”).
”…When he fired veteran sergeant Patrick McIntyre, McIntyre went to press and claimed that Melville had instigated the whole Walsall Plot himself, a claim vindicated by police files released over 80 years later.
In the next ten years, Melville embarked on a large series of well-publicized raids against anarchists….”
More at, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Secret_Service_Bureau#Secret_Service_Bureau
So, whether it’s the “divide and rule” bombings by the SAS or false flag chemical extravaganzas it seems all we’re seeing is simply the latest chapters in the long established MO of state secret services.
Si ce n’est pas cassé, pourquoi devrait-il être fixé?
@Komodo. 10 33am
>em> “Could his timing have conceivably been worse under any imaginable circumstances? Is he saying “bring it on”?
That’s what you get when you leave the planning for these events to the Wily Coyote. It’s the same level of planning that failed in over thirty CIA attempts to assassinate Castro.
“Oh! I know. Lets make an exploding clam shell for him ‘cos we know he likes a bit of scuba diving.”
“Dang! That didn’t work. How about putting powder in his shoes to make his beard fall out?. Then all those Cubans will all say “We’re not going to take any shite from a folically challenged comondante!”
Yes, these things happened (maybe my fly on the wall didn’t get the exact conversations), and twenty eight more!
This is dated 5 August 2013 but I only saw it yesterday
Pentagon Reverses Position and Admits U.S. Troops Used White Phosphorus Against Iraqis in Fallujah
http://www.shoah.org.uk/2013/08/05/pentagon-reverses-position-and-admits-u-s-troops-used-white-phosphorus-against-iraqis-in-fallujah-2/
(do as I say, don’t do as I do)
Hmm. The playground incident was in Aleppo. Still held by the government, last I heard. And quite close to the Turkish border. Handy for Incirlik, even. Overflying should not have been too much hassle as the rebels hold much of the countryside and have cut the Aleppo supply routes (whereas it would have been a distinct problem over Assad-held areas)
Oh well, just another conspiracy theory, eh?
Dreoilin. 11 34am
“U.S. Troops Used White Phosphorus Against Iraqis in Fallujah…”
I’ve worked it out.
It goes something like this: It might be white phosphorous, but it’s our white phosphoruos, and if it’s ours then it must be OK…mustn’t it?
I hope that helps you understand grown-up think.
Thanks Sofia
I’m getting there 😉
Completely OK. But US napalm isn’t quite as OK as ours, so while the US admits its use, we have to go on denying it….
http://www.iraqanalysis.org/publications/232
….Jeeeesus….
The West and Israel orchestrated the chemical attacks. You wait and see.
Sofia Kibo Noh 30 Aug, 2013 – 9:01 am
“Rare MSM articles that mention “false lags” are widely known to have disappeared from the internet.”
Any examples please?
John Goss, thanks for that Web Archive link re the potential false flag operation by private contractors. That’s dated January of this year. Did it make much of a dent in MSM? I don’t think I was aware of it at the time. The email screengrab makes it seem convincing, even though the Infowars source will (and should) be treated with skepticism.
Jon, John Goss,
I thought the D Mail was sued over that story, and that’s why they had to take it down. Someone said so on the previous thread?
And I read somewhere online that that email was proved to be a fake. The header was copied verbatim from another email in the bunch that were hacked. (Unfortunately I don’t bookmark all sources, but I should be able to find it again.)
“The Mail was later sued by Britam Defense, and forced to publish a retraction. The Guardian reported on June 26th:
but they go on to say
“Although a libel settlement was reached regarding naming the two Britam executives mentioned in the Mail article, it’s hard to prove that the plot itself did not happen – and herein lies the problem with the secretive shadow state and its array of private contractors in both the US and UK.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-backed-plan-to-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-on-syria-and-blame-it-on-assad-government/5346907
(not my original source, but the first one I’ve found)
Good to see a broad variety of posters here. Haven’t seen that in a long time.
I think it might have been Villager who opined on the ‘other’ thread that the alleged chemical weapons incident might have been an unlucky strike on a chem store.
That got me thinking that perhaps highly toxic industrial chemicals were deliberately placed in an area by the rebels, with the assistance of one or more of their USUKIS friends, that was already under or likely to fall under Syrian government shelling. The intended consequence of course being that the government shelling of the area coincided with large numbers of casualties suffering fatal and near fatal reactions to an otherwise inexplicable exposure to toxic chemicals. The ensuing suspicion would then fall on the Assad regime having resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people – many of them children and necessarily so to enrage Western sensibilities to the extent that public support for military intervention would be politically popular.
The only problem is, the Whitehouse script doesn’t make sense.
PS – Welcome back, old man.
We won’t be fooled again’ is the Pentagon’s feeling as well. Everyone, nearly, has left him with this go it alone, strategy.
?Former and current officers, many with the painful lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan on their minds, said the main reservations concern the potential unintended consequences of launching cruise missiles against Syria.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-military-officers-have-deep-doubts-about-impact-wisdom-of-a-us-strike-on-syria/2013/08/29/825dd5d4-10ee-11e3-b4cb-fd7ce041d814_story.html
http://blogs.defensenews.com/intercepts/2013/08/us-f-16s-still-in-jordan/
Were owl gong….(in-joke)
Dreoilin, thanks – saw something on another thread about the DM being sued, but did not connect the two.
“Well Milliband and Alexander better not go mountain climbing or for a walk in the woods any time soon would be my advice.
Or is this where the NSA/GCHQ Total Information Awareness comes into its own and many of the 282 MP’s who voted against the Govt. may start getting strange little calls and dark actor memos reminding them of some adolescent or otherwise indiscretion they thought nobody knew about suddenly comes back to haunt/persuade a change of position?”
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What a load of twaddle.
But if you really believe it, then should not the Eminences also start getting worried – perhaps the security services will blackmail them too in order to stop them posting and emailing their MPs (cf John Goss’s recent post claiming that “it was we wot stopped them”)?
From the aptly named Nobody
“Hullo Craig,
You’re almost there mate. The only expression missing, as it always is, is ‘false flag’.”
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You may have noticed, laddy, that while Craig is not afraid of being controversial and, indeed, sometimes deliberately exaggerates in order to stir you all up, he keeps his feet more firmly on the ground than most of the Eminences? That includes keeping away from conspiracy theories.
As I’ve observed before, some of Craig’s followers do him and the reputation of his blog no favours at all.
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La vita è bella, life is good! (Bombs away! Not.)
@ Donald
“Let’s not forget the role the SAS had in the Basra region of southern Iraq. They would dress up as locals and go round planting car bombs in street markets. When they were caught by the Iraqi police the British Army turned up at the police station with tanks and demolished it to release their terrorist commrades.”
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Interesting if true.
Source(s)? Preferably reliable and not some website or blog run by conspiracy nuts.
Thanks.
It was quite busy yesterday and was probably spanked for not keeping everyone too busy to call their MP. His/her/it’s humour has been tempered by the spanking, and he’s not screwing with us any more. The triad of unmentionables is down to just one, for now. It takes a while to lick the wounds.
You can kill 500,000 children using sanctions, which BBC child rapists were silent about but u can not kill people with chemicals unless you are Israel or America or Iraq(acting under US/Israel directions) the Syria debate should be, This house condemns chemical weapons use by anyone other than ourselves or Israel.
Bliar has made 30mill to 100mill from the illegal war he started how comes no one finds this immoral?