Ray McGovern and the Sam Adams party have presented the Sam Adams award to Edward Snowden. I am delighted. This from Ray’s account of the event:
In brief remarks from his visitors, Snowden was reassured — first and foremost — that he need no longer be worried that nothing significant would happen as a result of his decision to risk his future by revealing documentary proof that the U.S. government was playing fast and loose with the Constitutional rights of Americans.
Even amid the government shutdown, Establishment Washington and the normally docile “mainstream media” have not been able to deflect attention from the intrusive eavesdropping that makes a mockery of the Fourth Amendment. Even Congress is showing signs of awaking from its torpor.
In the somnolent Senate, a few hardy souls have gone so far as to express displeasure at having been lied to by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and NSA Director Keith Alexander — Clapper having formally apologized for telling the Senate Intelligence Committee eavesdropping-related things that were, in his words, “clearly erroneous” and Alexander having told now-discredited whoppers about the effectiveness of NSA’s intrusive and unconstitutional methods in combating terrorism.
Coleen Rowley, the first winner of the Sam Adams Award (2002), cited some little-known history to remind Snowden that he is in good company as a whistleblower — and not only because of previous Sam Adams honorees. She noted that in 1773, Benjamin Franklin leaked confidential information by releasing letters written by then-Lt. Governor of Massachusetts Thomas Hutchinson to Thomas Whatley, an assistant to the British Prime Minister.
The letters suggested that it was impossible for the colonists to enjoy the same rights as subjects living in England and that “an abridgement of what are called English liberties” might be necessary. The content of the letters was so damaging to the British government that Benjamin Franklin was dismissed as colonial Postmaster General and had to endure an hour-long censure from British Solicitor General Alexander Wedderburn.
There has been a determined attempt by government to justify the need to intercept everybody’s communications, all the time. We have, yet again, had MI5 claim there are many thousand violent Islamic terrorists running around the UK, (yet somehow not managing to kill anybody). The cry of “paedophiles” is raised, as always. I can imagine them suggesting the entire population be shot dead, and justifying it as making sure they get the paedophiles. The tabloids would go with that.
There still had not been a single credible claim by the mainstream media that any named individual has died, despite that contingency being trotted out all the time as the reason Snowden and Manning should not have revealed state crimes and abuse of power. I am hopeful that, with the internet still largely free to the dissemination of information, out next massive whistleblower is only weeks away.
“So the answer to my own question, is desperate denial”
Not quite. Re-read what I wrote.
Jemand @8.55am
Agreed – and I thought I gave a perfectly rational explanation as to why I attached the “politically immature” label to Sofia. Perhaps Jon might wish to describe how we should describe comments such as this in the future (and that is only those that have been written since my post):
“A word of advice to you from the Shaman…… “ He who patronisingly insults the Mule-hog while running away is likely to get tooth-marks on the buttocks.””
“After the comical Inspector Clouseau tag-team deciding it was me”
“Macky isn’t it interesting that the same zioufuckwits who are excusing the slaughter of the innocent Palestinians, are the same fuckwits posing as the anti-semi….. and posting in the crap total”
“We saw that here when Jon caught the Habbu-Clown Troll sock-puppeting as a vile anti-Semite. Remember, “By way of deception thou shalt do war”.”
“For sure, but when all relevant factors are weighed on each, the verdict of “beyond reasonable doubt”, will only fit ONE person.” (That is after the writer has accused more than one person on the flimsiest of evidence)
“Morning droppings are still fresh enough to squish with a shoe. Give me a minute to stick-clean the waffle.”
“Sheheit wants an end to lazy nonsense.
pot/kettle”
“Coming from the crazed Anti-Semitic Witch Finder General, that quite funny !”
“Fred; No. I, like you sit and endure the back-and-forth because some can’t control themselves.”
“And if your mind is too open, your brain keeps falling out.”
“Trolls will even be most happy just talking shit to each other & turning the comments section of this Blog into a Zionist friendly wasteland. No, I’ve always preferred the whack-a-troll mole approach, it’s quite rewarding watching them squirm or run, and like shooting fish in a barrel as they lose every argument & debate, because by definition trolls are handicapped by always having to defend their indefensible positions.”
“That makes about six of us. Please feel free to exercise that option in future.”
“Habby, do you deliberately try to make yourself look stupid? Or is it natural?”
I’ll let any rational person decide who are the trolls and the trolled and who can and cannot help themselves. There is only a certain amount of provocation that any normal person is prepared to accept.
Fred: “Then please let us know when you have some strong circumstantial evidence”
Does Craig/Nevermind/Jives, etc have a record here of a strong pathological hatred of Mary ?
Did any of them continually try to reinforce the frame-up by repeatedly referring to Mary as “StromFront Mary” ?
Do any have a posting history here of abusive & unstable behavior ? Here’s a little reminder;
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/07/feile-an-phobail-belfast/comment-page-4/#comment-422130
So from the list of Posters here with the exact same misspelling habit, plus all the circumstantial factors above, who would you really think is the most likely suspect ?
Inspector Macky may wish to widen his list of suspects to include others guilty of “misspelling” harassment (99 times in total)
https://www.google.com/search?as_q=harrassment&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=www.craigmurray.org.uk&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=#as_qdr=all&lr=&q=harrassment+site:www.craigmurray.org.uk&start=10
He should also consider motivation – who would want to encourage fascists and anti-semites to come to this site in order to support Mary and attack Habba might be one to consider as well.
Dr David Nott on Hardtalk.
He says we need boots on the ground in Syria – only to protect a humanitarian mission that is needed to save the Syrian people from their government.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03h8r10/HARDtalk_David_Nott_Conflict_zone_surgeon/
ESLO at 10.30 a.m.
If a statement is fair comment, for example, “Habby, do you deliberately try to make yourself look stupid? Or is it natural?” then you should not criticise it. It was in response to accusations about a comment of mine being inaccurate. As with the perpetual accusations of me being a Stalinist we have a lot to put up with on this blog from people who never answer questions themselves. Yesterday I asked Habbabkuk what he thought was behind the coup in Romania, and included the MSM misrepresented figures as to deaths in Timisoara which you provided with a Guardian link. He never responded. Well there’s a surprise. It is just bellicose taunting from a man who more often than any on this blog makes himself look stupid. Perhaps he cannot help it. Just trying to find out.
That zturmfront posting, you aint lookin at the last bit.
If you are genuine in your inquiry, then answer lies in history. Let’s discuss.
Sounds like someone who dont speak english too good to me. Even I no a bit of grammer. Isnt that villager one of them?
Comrade Goss, you are absolutely right. Comrade Ceausescu was loved by all Romanians until he was removed by the Zionist entity and bourgeois Jewish subversives. Indeed, at his final speech, during which the great mass of the Romanian proletariat came to show their support for the People’s Leader by waving and chanting at the balcony of the People’s Palace, we saw Comrade Ceasescu inform the joyful masses that production had reached record levels and that each and every Romanian would be able to eat meat 7 days a week, before he was dragged off and lynched by the capitalist running dogs of the Zionist entity.
John Goss
That is not the point I was trying to make – we all make comments that others disagree with, the point is about the language used to express disagreement. I was told off with some justification for my “political immaturity” comment even though I explained the basis. A non response is not bellicose taunting.
All peoples are that have fallen through the instigation of war to the benefit of a particular cause that in reality was in reality an un necessary one, and a cause that was propagated as just when simple diplomacy would of been enough for peaceful continuation.
The crown jewels should be shared equally.
ESLO, and you know I was not talking about the non response. I was talking about the perpetual attempts (largely failed I should add) to belittle people, usually of a left persuasion or anti-Zionists. I am opposed to Zionism. So are many Jews.
John Goss
And you are saying that there is no attempt by yourself and others who share your views to belittle (you may think it is fair comment – but how do you think the recipient sees it) those with whom you disagree? My post of 10:30am clearly says otherwise.
It is interesting that:
1. Macky and Fedup have both persistently attacked Jon, who was appointed moderator by the blog owner they claim to support.
2. This is despite the fact that Jon banned the person they formerly singled out as the ‘chief troll’
3. Since then Macky’s attacks have widened to include the longest term posters and supporters of the blog owner, including Suhayl and Dreoilin. And, of course, anyone else he feels he can bully, irrespective of the evidence provided by their posts.
So we have a case of at least one howling disruptor, who is having great fun systematically destroying the board, under the guise of supporting one of its most prolific posters and, of course, Palestine. Strangely, the board’s most prolific poster, who also claims to support the blog owner, is not only going along with this but encouraging it, and now joining in: other posters who ‘support’ her also.
ESOL “who would want to encourage fascists and anti-semites to come to this site in order to support Mary” – it’s a good question. Another good question is why anyone with good intentions should be supporting the bullying of, ridicule of, and false accusations about anyone on this board.
Phil Thanks for that link. The state broadcaster often has ‘inserts’ on that programme for propaganda purposes. I expect you saw my link to Nott being in the RAuxAF and getting the OBE.
I will listen to it later as I only came in to cool down! It’s hot and dry after many days of rain and storms. I am digging out pernicious weeds like ground elder (it has crept underground from next door!) and many brambles which the birds have seeded around. The hens follow me as I turn over the soil.
Jemand says I implied that he is a Jew. I did not. I only asked about the strange spellings of certain words.
@Macky
I asked for evidence not opinions and prejudices.
If you wish to be part of the Clique in this us versus them battleground then what you say reflects on the other members of the Clique. Your kangaroo court has left me wondering just which side are supposed to be the good guys.
Mary said;
That is a cabalist tradition of not mentioning/writing/uttering “Scared Names”. This is a bizarre behavioural pattern for anyone who is expecting; free dinners, free beer, regrowing limbs, money etc. from a god, and in the absence of getting none then declares there is no god! There again part of the same tradition is also, religion is only good for certain segments of the human population and not the other “sub human” categories.
ESLO, I agree that there are those on the left who make ill-intended comments about those who defend Zionism and the Rothschild bankers. You yourself provide links to justify what you say. However you have never noticed the abuse slung at us, but since your arrival here you have been an apologist for Habbabkuk and company in many of your comments. You have every right to defend them. We have every right to decide whether or not to read them and whether to respond, or not.
Macky, it looks like you’ve fallen out with everyone, except Mary and Fedup. And with friends like those!
I was wondering, do you also have problems interacting in the wider social sphere?
Anon: Is that supposed to be a helpful comment? If you are ESOL, btw, I think it’s very odd that you blindly support anyone.
Fred
“I know Hababkuk, I’ve met loads like him in cyberspace …”
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So one can conclude that you spend a fair bit of time in cyberspace. I must say I’m not surprised. I don’t, as it happens, as I find real life rather more interesting. But each to his own, eh!
Notwithstanding the above, I must say that it is puzzling to hear advice on cyberspace behaviour from someone whose mouth appears as if it could frequently do with a good washing.
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Always look on the bright side of life!
Before writing for News Junkie Post I knew little about Haiti, except for the devastating earthquake, but one of the editors, Dady Chery, is Haitian. Since the US occupation of the island much corruption and many shady business deals have darkened its record as a free democracy. In July an honest judge who was due to sit in the case of the president’s relations being put on trial for corruption died suddenly. He was questioned:
“Where have you seen the wife of the President go to prison?” To which the judge responded: “In places where there is the rule of law.”
Two days later the honest judge was dead.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/10/23/haiti-where-democracy-and-justice-make-a-stand-against-corrupt-power/
Everyone is a winne; NSA spied on 125bn phone calls in one month
That is 18 times per each human being on the planet; NSA has been spying on. US will not provide $18.00 towards feeding, and watering anyone, but sure as the days is long will spend huge sums to spy on everyone, and if the opportunity arises dispatch a drone to blow them to kingdom come. ‘merikkka what a country!
John Goss
“Yes, 29 most of the year and in charge of Romania’s agriculture department. Is that accurate enough for you?”
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So Nicolae Ceausescu was “in charge of Romania’s agricultural dept” in 1947, the year that the Commies threw out King Michael.
Can you tell us if he was the Minister of Agriculture or a Communist functionary heading up the Ministry? And also attempt to evaluate for us his relative importance in the counsels and hierarchy of the Communist régime?
Reminder of your original post (extract) : “Nevertheless Ceausescu and the Communist regime spared the life of the king and even let him take his possessions with him.” (I note that you placed Ceausescu’s name before the Communist régime).
Thanks!
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Always look on the bright side of life!
“Before writing for News Junkie Post I knew little about Haiti…”
So your knowledge of Haiti is almost entirely informed by News Junk Post? Not a good start, John.
Passerby at 12:38pm,
A good post, Passerby, but why did you go and ruin by adding “‘merikka what a country!”? To the many millions who have flocked there for the opportunity of a better standard of living, it clearly is a great country.
@ Jemand
“But I did enjoy your self portrait – handsome devil, you.”
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Your kind words to “Macky” reminded me, eerily, of my one-time description of John Goss as “devilishly handsome”.
I wonder if Macky and John are related? 🙂
Mary 24 Oct, 2013 – 12:10 pm
“I expect you saw my link to Nott being in the RAuxAF and getting the OBE.”
I didn’t see the links but did see there was a discussion about Nott.
Personally, I struggle to believe Nott’s story is the complete truth. His tears may be convincing or may be real but, nomatter his motivation, it is pure establishment war propaganda he peddles.
Anon, and your knowledge of Haiti?
News Junkie Post is an excellent place to start. Dr Chery is a scholar and her articles should not be dismissed with such a flippant remark. Also her blog contains historical and cultural pieces on Haiti that are a pleasure to read. Did you read the article? Or are you just being nasty as per usual?
John Goss
“Yesterday I asked Habbabkuk what he thought was behind the coup in Romania, and included the MSM misrepresented figures as to deaths in Timisoara which you provided with a Guardian link. He never responded.”
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Inaccurate – again.
ESLO posted what I considered to be a better explanation for Ceausescu’s ouster ….. and I said so (16h13 yesterday). So there’s my reply.
Just to remind you : you thought that the international bankers were behind Ceausescu’s ouster, ESLO went for the nomenklatura, who wanted to get rid of a liability.
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You are fully entitled to your views on anything, no matter how nonsensical they sometimes are. But you should really attempt to get facts right and/or not to twist them to suit your arguments. Agreed?
John Goss
I am not sure how Zionism and the Rothschilds came into the conversation – but I’m not an apologist for anyone. I tend to the view if you cannot say something nice about someone then say nothing – though like all human being with a pulse there are limits.
Technicolour
I am not anon – the only people I support blindly are my family and close friends.