Ray McGovern and the Sam Adams party have presented the Sam Adams award to Edward Snowden. I am delighted. This from Ray’s account of the event:
In brief remarks from his visitors, Snowden was reassured — first and foremost — that he need no longer be worried that nothing significant would happen as a result of his decision to risk his future by revealing documentary proof that the U.S. government was playing fast and loose with the Constitutional rights of Americans.
Even amid the government shutdown, Establishment Washington and the normally docile “mainstream media” have not been able to deflect attention from the intrusive eavesdropping that makes a mockery of the Fourth Amendment. Even Congress is showing signs of awaking from its torpor.
In the somnolent Senate, a few hardy souls have gone so far as to express displeasure at having been lied to by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and NSA Director Keith Alexander — Clapper having formally apologized for telling the Senate Intelligence Committee eavesdropping-related things that were, in his words, “clearly erroneous” and Alexander having told now-discredited whoppers about the effectiveness of NSA’s intrusive and unconstitutional methods in combating terrorism.
Coleen Rowley, the first winner of the Sam Adams Award (2002), cited some little-known history to remind Snowden that he is in good company as a whistleblower — and not only because of previous Sam Adams honorees. She noted that in 1773, Benjamin Franklin leaked confidential information by releasing letters written by then-Lt. Governor of Massachusetts Thomas Hutchinson to Thomas Whatley, an assistant to the British Prime Minister.
The letters suggested that it was impossible for the colonists to enjoy the same rights as subjects living in England and that “an abridgement of what are called English liberties” might be necessary. The content of the letters was so damaging to the British government that Benjamin Franklin was dismissed as colonial Postmaster General and had to endure an hour-long censure from British Solicitor General Alexander Wedderburn.
There has been a determined attempt by government to justify the need to intercept everybody’s communications, all the time. We have, yet again, had MI5 claim there are many thousand violent Islamic terrorists running around the UK, (yet somehow not managing to kill anybody). The cry of “paedophiles” is raised, as always. I can imagine them suggesting the entire population be shot dead, and justifying it as making sure they get the paedophiles. The tabloids would go with that.
There still had not been a single credible claim by the mainstream media that any named individual has died, despite that contingency being trotted out all the time as the reason Snowden and Manning should not have revealed state crimes and abuse of power. I am hopeful that, with the internet still largely free to the dissemination of information, out next massive whistleblower is only weeks away.
As I foresaw iro Dreoilin; “Not another soon to be broken vow to refrain from posting your anti-Mary snipes here”
Dreoilin: “Nobody accused you of posting as Macky, Mary.”, which is factually incorrect;
ESLO: “Not true the other possibility is that Mary posts as Macky ”
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/edward-snowden-gets-sam-adams-award/comment-page-9/#comment-434806
Technicolour: “is now making friendly little noises at him”
Your perception is only matched by your stupidity; we have been spared the moronic musing of the Village Idiot lately, only for you to enthusiastically step-up & reveal to all the full extent of your imbecility.
“Instead we are keeping him in prison for 40 years. How about deporting him back to a prison in the Ukraine?”
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In principle, you are absolutely right – except they’d probably give him a medal for it in Ukraine.
Seriously though, the UK has reciprocal arrangements with some other countries whereby prisoners can be transferred back to their home country to serve their sentences there. I don’t know whether this is the case with UK/Ukraine.
Anon:
“As I wrote the other day, several thousand have been killed and thousands more injured, from many different religions and in dozens of different countries, in the last month alone, by Islamist terrorists, and yet we see no comment on that here at all. That is why it is difficult not to conclude that the obsession with Israel is motivated by a particular dislike of Jews.”
I don’t know which anon you are but you obviously have not observed the Craig Murray blog phenomenon one-way valve of comment. If Islam is gaining a bad name by bad behaviour paid for by Ziostan through its wholly owned assets US/UK/KSA/Qatar then the majority of gentle atheist folk here don’t comment. If sincere Muslims are making progress against the tyrant dictator Assad, then they are described as rats and the gentle atheists scratch up links from Shi’a websites to reinforce their prejudices.
It’s absolute and complete nonsense to suggest that anti-Ziostan sentuiment is anti-Jew or anti-semite. But you know that and it makes you a troll for even suggesting it.
“Too late to revert back to type Fred ! You’ve lost all credibility, and are now just a pathetic troll.”
Lying cheating shit stirring scumbag.
Lowest of the low, a disgrace to humanity, hangings too good for your types.
@ Macky
“Habbu-Clown Troll: More generally, would you agree that someone who has come to the UK and subseqently acquired UK citizenship should be stripped of the said citizenship in the event of committing a heinous crime…and should be deported?
Of course not, for two reasons; 1)….
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Well, Macky, I note your objections, whilst remaining unpersuaded by them. But our views are unimportant, since the stripping of citizenship does in fact take place from time to time whether you approve or not. Other countries do it as well, by the way.
PS – do stop trying to suck up to me, I’m not going to take your side in the currennt Troll Wars :). Creep!
‘Moronic’…’imbecilic’ – poor Macky. You really can’t come up with anything better, can you? And another nasty and entirely unsubstantiated attack on one of Craig’s longest term posters. Jon, Suhayl, Dreoilin: are we really supposed to believe this is coincidence?
@ Technicolor
“Presumably, for consistency’s sake, Mary/Sofia/whoever will now start…”
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I know Mary, but who’s Sofia? Is she on this blog?
“The senior troll takes the biscuit. Please be assured that I am Mary, I post as Mary, and I have never posted as ‘Macky’ or as anyone else. It is becoming quite ridiculous.”
But did anyone ever post pretending to be you?
Mary
Trolls are extremely obedient to their owners, but are trained not to let go of any truth-seeker when they have them by the seat of their pants.
I was disgusted by the UK Border Agency 2 days ago when I arrived on a flight from Istanbul at Luton airport to be immediately ordered in a ‘God you dumb foreigners’ kind of voice into a single file queue and set on by a sniffer dog, sniffing for drugs. If my wife had been with me she would have been terrified. I was furious because I was wearing new trousers which I would have had to wash seven times if the dog had touched me.
The whole procedure was designed by Ziostan security advisors to cause maximum discomfort to practising Muslim visitors arriving from Muslim countries. Civilisation ends at Istanbul where water is provided in the toilets. The blonde Essex security waxwork answered my complaints by stating that the “Muslim, ie dark-skinned” gentleman in front of me hadn’t objected to the dog, but there again he had probably never prayed a prayer in his life.
Fred
“Lying cheating shit stirring scumbag.
Lowest of the low, a disgrace to humanity, hangings too good for your types.”
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Fred, I do wish you’d drop your Hard Man act. You appear to believe that you can fight off the people whom you believe (often erroneously) are attacking you by staging a violent reaction; that you can thereby frighten them off.
But, you know, this isn’t so you’re not frightening them with your ‘eye for an eye’ tactics. It’s rather that people step out of conflict with you once they’ve proved to their own satisfaction – and more importantly to the satisfaction of interested bystanders – that they’ve won the argument.
I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but it would be better for you to see the true picture before making an even greater ass out of yourself.
An X2 flare now, Ben/AlcAnon. AR 1882 looks like it means business.
We’re into Philip K Dick territory now on this blog. No one is who they appear to be!
My name…is Michael Caine.
Habbu-Clown Troll: “since the stripping of citizenship does in fact take place from time to time whether you approve or not”
Yes but you were advocating deportation, which does not happen to British citizens simply because of committing a crime, well not since the time of the deportations to OZ !
Besides it seems that even the stripping of citizenship cannot happen if the person will be rendered stateless;
http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/10/14/man-cannot-be-stripped-of-british-citizenship-rules-supreme-court/
BTW Don’t flatter yourself, I consider you the most loathsome of the Posters here, most of the others wannabe trolls are just useful idiots for your agenda here.
What has the long service record got to do with anything? Are you proposing a fucking OBE, CBE, Long Service Medal, or perhaps the Irish Banshee 1st order garter?
Secondly while you are at it, let me ask until when are you going to be playing the tag team game; dreo walks in and gets on with kicking, stabbing, biting (when she has used enough fixodent). Then dreo disappears, and in you walk along with your other ultra egos and get on with, your customary moan and whine, insult galore?
Judging by the fucking torrent of accusation about the ghost postings, it appears there should be only three or four posters bashing the keyboards and letting rip. If that is the case then why the fuck the copper bottomed, extra ordinary, master race specimen, whose is not suffering from uncontrolled diabetes and is therefore not kooky at all, although kooky is its middle name/nature, despite being banned and despite being such a master race specimen keeps fucking posting here along with the prodigal tossers villageCtechniCananoC?
Guano
Genuine questions following your last post:
why are Muslims (or at least some Muslims) so reactive to touching or being touched by a dog? Is there ‘scriptural’ authority for this, and if so, is that scriptural authority accepted by all or does it give rise to differences of opinion amoung Muslims?
secondly, do any other animals fall into the same category as dogs. For example, cats?
Thanks.
Fred and others
Anyone who has set clear cookies on exit will have to type in there “Name” etc every time they restart the browser. Same if you use private browsing mode and/or are on another PC.
I clear cookies on exit (well actually on tab close with an addon) so the form is not filled in for me automatically. However Firefox will recall form history as I leave that turned on so it will autocomplete. In fact as soon as I left click I can recall from form history.
Btw, google “evercookie” You might be surprised how many are on your machine (well maybe not Fred’s) even if you think you are clearing cookies. Evercookis are zombie-cookies and are almost impossible to get rid of for the average user (especially without the aid of addons).
I keep meaning to add this site to the “don’t delete cookies” list. Maybe I should do it now.
Mike,
Yes, just saw it that’s the second X class flare from that region today. Up until now anyway any spot group that’s flaring seems to then calm down as it rotates towards earth. We’ll see what this group does.
CME’s from today’s events will have only a glancing blow on earth if anything at all.
“their” before anyone points it out.
@AlcAnon
Most people know how to spell their own name as well.
Let’s face it, Macky has been posting using other Usernames and one of them was “Mary”. There is no other rational explanation.
Huskybum
Macky
“I consider you the most loathsome of the Posters here,…”
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That I can bear with equanimity. Much more horrible was the momentary thought that you might have been trying to suck up to me.
But, to substance :
““since the stripping of citizenship does in fact take place from time to time whether you approve or not”
Yes but you were advocating deportation, which does not happen to British citizens simply because of committing a crime,..”
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I was advocating the stripping of citizenship precisely in order to allow deportation to follow. Your reference to British citizens, who cannot be deported, reinforces my point and I thank you for it.
Habbu-Clown Troll: “I’m sorry to have to tell you this, but it would be better for you to see the true picture before making an even greater ass out of yourself”
If you are trying to carry flavour with me, as per classic troll tactic, you’re wasting your time; if you are trying to give good advice to one of the little newbie trolls snapping at my heels, don’t bother as Fred cannot lose any greater credibility than he already has.
“If you are trying to carry flavour with me, as per classic troll tactic, you’re wasting your time; if you are trying to give good advice to one of the little newbie trolls snapping at my heels, don’t bother as Fred cannot lose any greater credibility than he already has.”
You’re the one been who has been shown to be using sockpuppets.
You are the one posted using the Username “Mary” with no rational explanation.
You are the one with no credibility left.
Fred,
Have you seen this http://squonk.tk/blog/2013/10/25/how-the-internet-began-computer-networks-the-arpanet-1972/ (Parts 1 and 2 embedded )
Or direct links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fVhwOaCwkb0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RmO4TxDCMjI
Really accurate history of the early days of the Arpanet with many of the key names on-screen.
Maggothusk
“.. carry flavour ..”
WTF? What kind of retard are you, Macky?
Adderskin
Fred Troll: “Let’s face it, Macky has been posting using other Usernames and one of them was “Mary”. There is no other rational explanation.”
So there must been some sort of even remotely possible circumstantial similarity that can be pointed out ?
So Mary has never noticed or realised that a post in her name was not posted by her ?!
Fred’s detective skills are enough to make Inspector Clouseau seem like Einstein !
Hasbeenback
Jemand: “WTF? What kind of retard are you, Macky?”
Oh look, another juvenile who gets so excited over typos that he soils his underwear.
Antiblogscum